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I was actually surprised about this truth.
I was talking to muslims, and they assumed everything they did and reacted about
was them. So if they smelt a delicious food, and then wanted it then and there,
that was what was the right thing to do and have.
They had no cultural concept of association, linked to an response which then
went to a desire and resulted in an action.
So Muhammeds answer to sexual desire was to find your wife and have sex with her.
Equally covetousness, greed, envy, avarice, are all emotionally linked responses that
grow over time, and with fantasy can be fed and almost uncontrollable.
I worked with one man who fed sexual fantasy, and for him no situation was off limits.
On the flip side some feel the sexual response is actually the definition of inability
to be righteous, and original sin, where sex within marriage is also evil.
So though you may feel this is a straw man, in your thinking, your understanding
is simply not broad enough, and listening to lots of different commentators.
What I find disappointing is rather than thinking through the concept you come with
such an immediate response. You are sounding more like g7 by the day, lol.
I was talking to muslims, and they assumed everything they did and reacted about
was them. So if they smelt a delicious food, and then wanted it then and there,
that was what was the right thing to do and have.
They had no cultural concept of association, linked to an response which then
went to a desire and resulted in an action.
So Muhammeds answer to sexual desire was to find your wife and have sex with her.
Equally covetousness, greed, envy, avarice, are all emotionally linked responses that
grow over time, and with fantasy can be fed and almost uncontrollable.
I worked with one man who fed sexual fantasy, and for him no situation was off limits.
On the flip side some feel the sexual response is actually the definition of inability
to be righteous, and original sin, where sex within marriage is also evil.
So though you may feel this is a straw man, in your thinking, your understanding
is simply not broad enough, and listening to lots of different commentators.
What I find disappointing is rather than thinking through the concept you come with
such an immediate response. You are sounding more like g7 by the day, lol.
i think you like the article (which i read in toto) because it fits with your dogma of losing salvation based upon oneself.
but since the author seems not to understand the Biblical doctrine of justification, what more can be said?
as i stated, there's a lot in the article i agree with (but srsly, oneness? you don't believe that, do you?).
i'm reformed. we see the Bible as one story; HIS story. we see God places us in Christ, who has promised He will lose none of those the Father has given Him. (Jn 6)
we see we must persevere, and we see we are kept by the power of God through faith. (1 Peter 1)
we see we are to cooperate with God in our sanctification (which is not justification), and not for one moment do we believe the ability to do this comes from us.
but since the author seems not to understand the Biblical doctrine of justification, what more can be said?
as i stated, there's a lot in the article i agree with (but srsly, oneness? you don't believe that, do you?).
i'm reformed. we see the Bible as one story; HIS story. we see God places us in Christ, who has promised He will lose none of those the Father has given Him. (Jn 6)
we see we must persevere, and we see we are kept by the power of God through faith. (1 Peter 1)
we see we are to cooperate with God in our sanctification (which is not justification), and not for one moment do we believe the ability to do this comes from us.
My dear Ariel,
Would I post a link that goes against what I believe?
How dumb do you think I am, anyway??
Did I EVER SAY I BELIEVE IN SINLSS PERFECTION.
BTW, the link does go on to speak to this.
Perfection means SPIRITUAL MATURITY.
Who here HAS spiritual maturity?
Perfect also means complete. Complete in our understand the words of Jesus.
You never explained why He spoke in parables.
If you had, and if you did understand, you'd be able to link that up with the idea of being "complete".
But, I'm not doing any lessons here.
Pearls, pearls, pearls.
You should be able to put the two together.
Perfect means complete.
Jesus spoke in parables.
Did He want it to be EASY to understand a parable?
Maybe not...
Why not?
You'll have to figure it out on your own since I haven't studied theology long enough.
Would I post a link that goes against what I believe?
How dumb do you think I am, anyway??
Did I EVER SAY I BELIEVE IN SINLSS PERFECTION.
BTW, the link does go on to speak to this.
Perfection means SPIRITUAL MATURITY.
Who here HAS spiritual maturity?
Perfect also means complete. Complete in our understand the words of Jesus.
You never explained why He spoke in parables.
If you had, and if you did understand, you'd be able to link that up with the idea of being "complete".
But, I'm not doing any lessons here.
Pearls, pearls, pearls.
You should be able to put the two together.
Perfect means complete.
Jesus spoke in parables.
Did He want it to be EASY to understand a parable?
Maybe not...
Why not?
You'll have to figure it out on your own since I haven't studied theology long enough.