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I am sure if God spoke, everyone would want to correct Him.
God did speak... He had it all written down in a Book, at least all we need to know right now which is more than enough.



How do you talk about Gods will here, other
than trauma, heart ache, and love and prayer. When we go round the room, we have high
blood pressure, cancer treatment, pain relief with massive withdrawal systems, asmatic attacks,
heart disease, pain attacks so cannot walk. And the longer people live the more dependent they
are on modern medicine.
None of that is God's will... and this demonstrates that seedtime and harvest works cause all these years these folks have trusted in medical science before God's Word...and now, they are so dependent upon medical science that if you start talking about putting God's promises above medical science they will get offended which will choke God's promises out of them so it bears no fruit (Mark 4:13-20)

So, sometimes you just gotta move on and quit talking about God's promises when they are not being received... cause you cannot force them on anybody and if they don't want to hear it then it does not good to continue talking to them about it.


Here's some of what God's Word says about our words.. clearly what we say has a direct influence on what we believe, both of which has direct influence on what we do and how we act.


James 3:2-10
For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.
Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.
Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.
Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.


Proverbs 18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof

Psalm 50:19
You let your mouth loose in evil And your tongue frames deceit

1 Peter 3:10
For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile

Proverbs 10:19
When there are many words, transgression is unavoidable, But he who restrains his lips is wise.

Proverbs 21:23
He who guards his mouth and his tongue, Guards his soul from troubles.

Psalm 39:1
I said, "I will guard my ways That I may not sin with my tongue; I will guard my mouth as with a muzzle While the wicked are in my presence

Psalm 141:3
Set a guard, O LORD, over my mouth; Keep watch over the door of my lips

Proverbs 15:4
A soothing tongue is a tree of life, But perversion in it crushes the spirit

Psalm 34:13
Keep your tongue from evil And your lips from speaking deceit

Proverbs 17:20
He who has a crooked mind finds no good, And he who is perverted in his language falls into evil

Jeremiah 9:8
Their tongue is a deadly arrow; It speaks deceit; With his mouth one speaks peace to his neighbor, But inwardly he sets an ambush for him

Here's one for seductive people like those popular TV preachers... and those that aspire to go to extremes

Psalm 12:3-4
May the LORD cut off all flattering lips, The tongue that speaks great things; Who have said, "With our tongue we will prevail; Our lips are our own; who is lord over us?
 
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Yes, but only a christian can work out their own salvation. A non believer has no salvation to work out. a believer works out the deliverance from the power and the effects of sin.
do you actually know what 'work out your own salvation' means?

how are we saved?

If I say someone is saved because they have 'saving faith', what does that mean to you and does that somehow tie into 'work out their own salvation' in your opinion

thanks
 
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So, sometimes you just gotta move on
sounds about right Rocky Road


but you will stay and post old testament scriptures that have no bearing on the discussion
 
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Good post my friend You missed one very important verse though. I find that most people hate WOF preachers because it doesn't work for them...They claim to live by faith but their faith in God keeps His Word BUT. They always leave an out..Just in case they don't get what they beg for. There's one problem, they spend all of their prayer time begging for what is already theirs...Then comes the big thing....

FAITH WORKETH BY LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

One cannot go around chopping on other Christians, making them look like monsters from hell, and expect to get anything by faith...It says the JUST shall live by faith...Not the self righteous shall live by faith....And What is faith? Its simple trust that God means what He says.

In answer to another comment. I'll add it here.
I was raised a Romanist I believed all my life that Jesus died for my sins..My sins were atoned for. But I can tell you that I was NOT saved... I did get save though when I came to the belief in Him
Romans 10:9 (CJB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]that if you acknowledge publicly with your mouth that Yeshua is Lord and trust in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be delivered.
Then I was saved! I believed in the atonement but was not saved until I proclaimed Jesus Lord of my life.
emotional jab jab

not how we are saved

Lordship proponent wedded to WOF?

One cannot go around chopping on other Christians, making them look like monsters from hell, and expect to get anything by faith...It says the JUST shall live by faith...Not the self righteous shall live by faith....And What is faith? Its simple trust that God means what He says.
the just are those who trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. no other qualification
 
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and you?

what are YOU doing?

are you a seed of Abraham or are you living in the NT?

don't confuse the two covenants. and by the way, I believe that Israel is still God's chosen people so I am not anti-Semitic but 'we are the seed of Abraham' was the constant cry of the Pharisees and not the way to salvation

we do not have the liberty to attack another's faith. YOUR faith will save no one

however, if Samuel has faith in Christ, then he is saved. has nothing to do with physical healing. they are separate issues
[h=1]Galatians 3:28-29 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]28 [/SUP]there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor freeman, neither male nor female; for in union with the Messiah Yeshua, you are all one. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Also, if you belong to the Messiah, you are seed of Avraham and heirs according to the promise.

Who are YOU to be telling God what He meant when He spoke? Who are YOU to tell me that the People of the Book cannot access every single covenant in the book? Every single word in the entire bible is for YOU! NOW! So don't you ever tell me that my God is a liar..

What am I doing? I'm learning. I'm growing. I'm the seed of Abraham walking in all of the Covenants in the Book! Because of the shed blood of my Yeshua. My Jesus I am saved, delivered, healed..I am the blessed! I am a son of God. If you are a born again man..you could say the same.

Nobody attacked anybody's faith...We have all been given the measure of faith...The same measure...The same amount Plant it! It'll grow!
 
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but you will stay and post old testament scriptures that have no bearing on the discussion
And you will try to explain that anything God said in the OT is false that somehow God lied er something.

God never changes and many things from the OT are still applicable in the Kingdom of God because they speak of being and doing right before Him AND they speak of ways satan gets in to one's life and causes trouble that people cannot escape from cause they reject God's Truth.

Thanks for playing.
 
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Galatians 3:28-29 (CJB)

[SUP]28 [/SUP]there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor freeman, neither male nor female; for in union with the Messiah Yeshua, you are all one. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Also, if you belong to the Messiah, you are seed of Avraham and heirs according to the promise.

Who are YOU to be telling God what He meant when He spoke? Who are YOU to tell me that the People of the Book cannot access every single covenant in the book? Every single word in the entire bible is for YOU! NOW! So don't you ever tell me that my God is a liar..

What am I doing? I'm learning. I'm growing. I'm the seed of Abraham walking in all of the Covenants in the Book! Because of the shed blood of my Yeshua. My Jesus I am saved, delivered, healed..I am the blessed! I am a son of God. If you are a born again man..you could say the same.

Nobody attacked anybody's faith...We have all been given the measure of faith...The same measure...The same amount Plant it! It'll grow!

WOF'ers attack other people's faith all the time

you are attacking me right above in the phrase I highlighted. that, is a typical response from someone that has some kind of trigger that results in the emotional screeching post you wrote

ridiculous emotional hyperbole that has nothing to do with anything but your own state of mind

every person on this site who has put their trust in Jesus for their salvation is saved

get over it
 
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And you will try to explain that anything God said in the OT is false that somehow God lied er something.

God never changes and many things from the OT are still applicable in the Kingdom of God because they speak of being and doing right before Him AND they speak of ways satan gets in to one's life and causes trouble that people cannot escape from cause they reject God's Truth.

Thanks for playing.

God does not change. the problem arises when people such as yourself, think they understand God better than anyone else

it results in the sort of religious mud slinging you are becoming known for on this site
 
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emotional jab jab

not how we are saved

Lordship proponent wedded to WOF?



the just are those who trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. no other qualification
You said "the just are those who trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. no other qualification"

You are the just? Ok..Then stop fighting your brothers and sisters and walk in faith. If you are the just, because you trust in the Lord Jesus, then you are the righteousness of God in Him...Act like it.
 
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God does not change. the problem arises when people such as yourself, think they understand God better than anyone else
So, you do not believe God's Word is true???
I do, so I believe what He says...


Your position concerning God's Word is unfortunate for you.




it results in the sort of religious mud slinging you are becoming known for on this site
Well, someone need to post what God's says to counter man-made religious teaching... it's a public service
 
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So, you do not believe God's Word is true???
I do, so I believe what He says...


Your position concerning God's Word is unfortunate for you.






Well, someone need to post what God's says to counter man-made religious teaching... it's a public service
LOL Rockrz I've seen people posting only scripture and get slammed by these people for being know it all's, for being 'better than thou' for any number of ridiculous, risible accusations
 
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LOL Rockrz I've seen people posting only scripture and get slammed by these people for being know it all's, for being 'better than thou' for any number of ridiculous, risible accusations
That's because some people listen to the devil... and some people listen to God.

Ain't no biggie... they can talk 'bout my momma and them if they want, I don't care!
 
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You said "the just are those who trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. no other qualification"

You are the just? Ok..Then stop fighting your brothers and sisters and walk in faith. If you are the just, because you trust in the Lord Jesus, then you are the righteousness of God in Him...Act like it.

this, again, is exactly they type of post that I am talking about

using the word 'fighting' because I do not agree with your position is indicative of either your perception or your desire to make me seem less in the eyes of God than you imagine yourself. either way, the deception of WOF has you well secured but let's hope that it does not extend to your understanding of salvation

WOF has a very long history of claiming people are healed when they die, but since the dead cannot speak for themself that's ok

you also tell me to 'act' like it

what is 'it' according to you?

disagreement is very common. however you are really saying you are above anyone who disagrees with WOF

now that I see your style of posting, I doubt I will bother you again. so you and rocky road can agree to agree and mock everyone else

stringing verses together to make your case is a fallacy many in WOF rely on and really, so typical.

thanks for sharing
 
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WOF has a very long history of claiming people are healed when they die
I've come close to death a few times and yet... here I am, still alive because of the promises of God!


Some people do not know HOW to receive from the Lord so it's not necessarily a preacher's fault if someone dies.... no more than it's a preacher's fault if someone continues living in sin.

Religion has a long history of claiming God no longer heals so they don't even try to receive from the Lord and then die.

I'd rather die standing in faith on God's promises than die claiming God's promises concerning health / healing are lies cause that's unbelief which is... choosing to not believe what God's Word clearly says.

Romans 14:23
whatever does not proceed from faith is sin
 
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this, again, is exactly they type of post that I am talking about

using the word 'fighting' because I do not agree with your position is indicative of either your perception or your desire to make me seem less in the eyes of God than you imagine yourself. either way, the deception of WOF has you well secured but let's hope that it does not extend to your understanding of salvation

WOF has a very long history of claiming people are healed when they die, but since the dead cannot speak for themself that's ok

you also tell me to 'act' like it

what is 'it' according to you?

disagreement is very common. however you are really saying you are above anyone who disagrees with WOF

now that I see your style of posting, I doubt I will bother you again. so you and rocky road can agree to agree and mock everyone else

stringing verses together to make your case is a fallacy many in WOF rely on and really, so typical.

thanks for sharing
Why is your style of arguing a point so like accusation? Why do you reject what the Word says about Words and Faith? Though there are some dufus Word preachers or Faith preachers..The majority speak accurately and truthfully. Yet you judge all of them based on a few.
 
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Why is your style of arguing a point so like accusation? Why do you reject what the Word says about Words and Faith? Though there are some dufus Word preachers or Faith preachers..The majority speak accurately and truthfully. Yet you judge all of them based on a few.

and here we have the actual problem illustrated once again

I reject the WOF doctrine

I do believe God heals but it is painfully obvious most people are not healed and don't recount stories of third world countries where people are raised from the dead etc. you are not there and neither am I and this is North America and yet WOF'ers make the same suppositions over and over again with NO PROOF of what they say regarding healing

I am judging no one

the exaggerations and false claims of WOF are judgement enough

further, I am not arguing. I am in disagreement, not calling names and not twisting your words

this is the Bible DISCUSSION forum

try discussing

thank you
 
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so sad. so very very sad.

there are members here that NEVER have ANYTHING uplifting or positive or encouraging to say to anyone

they make it their business to denigrade, put down and basically attempt to bully everyone who does not agree with their
LORDSHIP SALVATION MacArthur teaching. that alone is a huge red flag because no one is 100% right 100% of the time

FOR THE RECORD, I AM NOT WOF AND IF DO NOT AGREE WITH WOF, ESPECIALLY THE EXTREME TEACHINGS

but I also do not agree with this constant I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG THEOLOGY PRESENTED BY p4t and certain others here

LORDSHIP SALVATION has as many errors as WOF on the flip side of the coin

With all due respect, I cant understand this attitude of no one is right.
As you've seen me and preacher4truth have had some exchanges but we've reconciled and not to mention, when people discuss the faith here, I doubt its personal atleast i havent felt that i was personally attacked.

And the thing is: Do you think Paul and the apostles went around preaching and they were like "Oh well yeah this could be right too, i dunno, maybe. Cant really tell. Nobody is 100% right, im probably wrong on this too but still listen to me"
The fact is: Everyone believes in whatever they truly believe is RIGHT. I heavily doubt anyone is gonna put their faith into something that they consider false? "Let me just embrace this lie out here for the laughs." said no one ever.
 
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me and preacher4truth have had some exchanges but we've reconciled
Sometimes it's not so much having to reconcile but rather to acknowledge the other person does have a right to their point of view even if it is wrong and opposes scripture.

God is allowing people to have their own view point even if it causes them to go to hell, so we need to realize that God gave people free will so they can worship a telephone pole if that's what they wanna do... and after tellin them that's not right we just have to let the conversation go without holding a grudge.

No conversation should result in un-forgiveness for either party
 
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Sometimes it's not so much having to reconcile but rather to acknowledge the other person does have a right to their point of view even if it is wrong and opposes scripture.

God is allowing people to have their own view point even if it causes them to go to hell, so we need to realize that God gave people free will so they can worship a telephone pole if that's what they wanna do... and after tellin them that's not right we just have to let the conversation go without holding a grudge.

No conversation should result in un-forgiveness for either party
You've surprised me with this indeed, good post :)
 
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Sometimes it's not so much having to reconcile but rather to acknowledge the other person does have a right to their point of view even if it is wrong and opposes scripture.

God is allowing people to have their own view point even if it causes them to go to hell, so we need to realize that God gave people free will so they can worship a telephone pole if that's what they wanna do... and after tellin them that's not right we just have to let the conversation go without holding a grudge.

No conversation should result in un-forgiveness for either party
I do not think people will go to hell because they do not believe in the WOF doctrine

people will go to hell for rejecting Christ

I am not a cessationist, but I am also not a WOF believer

I appreciate your comment regarding unforgiveness