REVIVAL or JUDGMENT?

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Even if they don't know who Jesus is?

How can you call upon Him whom you have not heard? How can you believe in Him of whom you have not heard? [Romans 10:14]

Faith comes hearing the message concerning the Christ.[Romans 10:17]

Ppl can't believe in the Christ if they know nothing of His existence.
This is what happens when people really do not believe the Bible, nor the exclusivity of the Gospel and Gospel means.

As stated, he is defending a false gospel.

He has no answer and avoids posts that dismantle his beliefs and/or when asked to clarify his ideology with Scripture those posts are avoided along with the person. He cannot do it, he cannot defend his position with Scripture, and that is a fact. So it is best to just be a mystic and use biblical abracadabra. They heap to themselves teachers of the same ilk to scratch their ears.
 
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This seems biblical to me. If you love Christ and He loves you are you not then part of the Body of Christ?
However, ppl come to the Christ via His proclaimed word. Faith comes from hearing it, not mystical means.
 

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This is what happens when people really do not believe the Bible, nor the exclusivity of the Gospel and Gospel means.

As stated, he is defending a false gospel.

He has no answer and avoids posts that dismantle his beliefs and/or when asked to clarify his ideology with Scripture those posts are avoided along with the person. He cannot do it, he cannot defend his position with Scripture, and that is a fact. So it is best to just be a mystic and use biblical abracadabra. They heap to themselves teachers of the same ilk to scratch their ears.
You really need to come off your high horse and lighten up. I don't have the time or inclination to defend anything. You write a bunch of babble that makes absolutely no sense and attack those that you feel that dare to defy your fuzzy logic.
 

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However, ppl come to the Christ via His proclaimed word. Faith comes from hearing it, not mystical means.
I agree with you but not sure what you mean by people come to Christ by mystical means. I believe what I read in the bible that Jesus died for our confessed sins. I hardly see how that makes me a mystic.
 

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Here's the video of which I copied and pasted that transcript. It's only 2:41 long.
[video=youtube;axxlXy6bLH0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxlXy6bLH0[/video]
This is what I heard Billy Graham say in this video:

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

I agree with this, not because of what was said in the video but because it is written in God's word. There are many that will not have physically heard the gospel of salvation preached but know and love Christ in their hearts from having observed God's creation. A baby that dies at birth has never heard about God or made a conscious decision to accept the shed blood of Jesus for salvation. Is this baby then condemned to hell for all eternity?
 

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Look at the prophetic words of the OT as to what will happen in the latter days. Signs and wonders by the hand of God through His people as He judges the nations of sin.

As the darkness intrudes...there is less mixture...the Light gets brighter. Speaks to me of Gods people rising in pure heartedness for we know our God...and do exploits.

I love the OT revelations...
 

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Look at the prophetic words of the OT as to what will happen in the latter days. Signs and wonders by the hand of God through His people as He judges the nations of sin.

As the darkness intrudes...there is less mixture...the Light gets brighter. Speaks to me of Gods people rising in pure heartedness for we know our God...and do exploits.

I love the OT revelations...
OT prophecies about the latter day miracles have been fulfilled in Christ and his Apostles for the most part. NT prophecy suggests that satan will deceive before the return of Christ with signs and wonders so... Take heed.

You seem to be alluding to Latter Rain.

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Many “apostles” in the Latter Rain Movement also teach the doctrine of “the manifest sons of God.” This is a heretical doctrine which says that the Church will give rise to a special group of “overcomers” who will receive spiritual bodies, becoming immortal.


It is important to note that the Assemblies of God deemed the Latter Rain Movement to contain heresy from the very beginning. On April 20, 1949, the Assemblies of God officially denounced Latter Rain teaching, nearly splitting the denomination in the process. Other established Pentecostal groups have passed similar resolutions.


Today, the term “latter rain” is rarely used, but the theology of Latter Rain continues to exert an influence. Most branches of the Charismatic Movement adhere to Latter Rain teaching. Modern movements such as the Brownsville/Pensacola Revival, the Toronto Blessing, and the “holy laughter” phenomenon are a direct result of Latter Rain theology.
https://www.gotquestions.org/latter-rain-movement.html
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Latter Rain leads to Dominionism and the Charismatic movement and New Apostolic Reformation embraces a lot of the heresies involved in these two aberrant schools of thought.

Matthew 24
20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

2 Thessalonians 2
The Man of Lawlessness
2 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 

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This is what I heard Billy Graham say in this video:

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

I agree with this, not because of what was said in the video but because it is written in God's word. There are many that will not have physically heard the gospel of salvation preached but know and love Christ in their hearts from having observed God's creation. A baby that dies at birth has never heard about God or made a conscious decision to accept the shed blood of Jesus for salvation. Is this baby then condemned to hell for all eternity?

Hi Tourist,

​The other fold is speaking of us the gentiles. Jesus gave the gospel to the Jew first. That was His mission. The New Covenant was made with Israel. So He first gave the good news to the Jews. After His death, the gospel would reach the gentiles......those not of the fold of the Jews.

Here's the part that bothered me about what Billy Graham said. And I love him, my husband was saved through one of his messages about Jesus dying on the cross and His blood covering the sinner.

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They need something they don't have and they turn to the only light that they have and they are saved and are going to be wth us in heaven.

Billy is speaking of the lost world that doesn't know Jesus. Okay, so these people know they need something, but they don't know what they need.

And then these people turn to some light that they have. What is that light? Is it Jesus, or Buddha, or Confucius or whatever "so-called" light out there?

If scripture is true.....and it is :).......we must come to the Father through Jesus. Jesus said He is the way, the truth and the life.......no man can come to the Father EXCEPT through JESUS. And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name given under heaven by which we must be saved.

Here's the thing......we can compromise scripture for anyone. We need to know the word, keep the word, guard the word because the thief comes in to steal it away from us.

If a man is searching for God, that man or woman will find Him. God says if we search for Him with all our hearts we will find Him.

People are not saved because they need something and they aren't saved by turning to eastern religions or some idol or what have you. This is where Billy Graham is wrong. We judge man's words by scripture. Paul even said to check him out with the scriptures.

Why do you think Schuller was so excited. It's because he preaches a false gospel and was so happy that Billy Graham was in agreement with him.

The whole gospel is about the good news of Jesus Christ our Savior and our Lord. Without Him, you don't have the genuine faith that saves.
 

stonesoffire

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No, not at all forth..

I looked at the whole of the scriptures that say in the latter days this will be...

I know about Manifested Sons. Not in the movement but Paul did say the world is waiting for the Sons to rise. Also, in Daniel..exploits in the latter days.

My people are for signs and wonders...A prophetic Word about Messiah and His own.
 
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You really need to come off your high horse and lighten up. I don't have the time or inclination to defend anything. You write a bunch of babble that makes absolutely no sense and attack those that you feel that dare to defy your fuzzy logic.
Each post I've made in attempt to address you and your false teachings have been concise , to the point, and coherent. Then you come back with ad hominem nonsense in attack mode.

Perhaps you're not as "biblical" and "spiritual" as you think you are. It all makes sense though, because nothing you've stated is even remotely Scriptural, so it's easy to see why you'd get belligerent and bring nothing to the discussion. I'll take it you have no answers which was expected.
 
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This is what I heard Billy Graham say in this video:

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

I agree with this, not because of what was said in the video but because it is written in God's word. There are many that will not have physically heard the gospel of salvation preached but know and love Christ in their hearts from having observed God's creation. A baby that dies at birth has never heard about God or made a conscious decision to accept the shed blood of Jesus for salvation. Is this baby then condemned to hell for all eternity?
Nothing in what Jesus stated even suggests some will not physically hear the Gospel. No one gets saved observing creation, it's simply more of your wresting of Scripture to try to make it fit into your false gospel of mysticism. Hey, but at least you have something in common with Mormons, they twist that same verse in their cult in the same way.
 
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signs and wonders

nope

follow Christ and let the signs and wonder follow if it is the will of God

too many are following the signs and wonders and not the One who said they will follow those who believe IN HIM

it's startling that anyone would imagine signs and wonders as evidence of the Holy Spirit when Jesus warned us over and over about the devil and his intrusion into the believers as an angel of light

taking OT scripture that has been fulfilled or does not apply to the church age is not sound advice

I believe in the gifts of the Spirit of God but people are willing to accept whatever gives them goosebumps as proof of God in far too many cases

deception is rampant and I am a person who has experienced the supernatural, knows it is real and yet would advise all and everyone to follow Christ and not look for 'signs' . I would not even bother to write of the things I have both seen and experienced that were demonic while everyone thought they were of God

be careful be careful be careful. I am no one to anyone here, but I am as sincere as I can be

if you actually are deceived and involved in ongoing deception, you won't know it, you won't believe it and you won't listen to anyone who sees it and tries to point it out

been there, lived it and thank God have been set free from it.
 
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Both are coming-------America Will be Saved (Reinhardt Bonkke)
God saves OUT of

He does not save entire nations and peoples

America has brought shame to the name of Christ and is in great darkness

if you have light, make sure to keep it. keep extra oil and your wick trimmed

Bonkke is repeating what his fellow false prophets are spouting.
 
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Gentiles are NOT Jews. Hebrews is talking to Jews that grew up with a diet of the Law of Moses.

I have heard the story of a missions group with the same tactic of giving people the law first have this happen to them. They were in a remote area and they came to give them the law of Moses first. When they went back the next week to actually give them the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ - the tribe were mostly wiped out from a neighboring tribe. These Gentiles were killed before they even heard the gospel message. It was a total shame.

If you really want to see that they gospel actually looks like when it is proclaimed to Gentiles - check out Peter's word for word account in Acts 10. It is NOT giving out the law of Moses first. That is a man-made tradition from whatever denomination they belong to.


uh

just no

Hebrews is a fine book and is written to Jewish CHRISTIANS

CHRISTIANS

it's a lot deeper than what you say here

and this is not slander either

or malice

we need to be careful here. as ALL the first Christians were Jewish, what are they? Christians or Jews?

or Jewish Christians

they are simply Christians as are all believers.

I don't go around saying I am a Canadian Christian as though that absolves me of instruction in certain books of the Bible, especially the NT
 
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...your fuzzy logic...



I agree with this, not because of what was said in the video but because it is written in God's word
Yeah, speaking of other people that were not physically standing there when Jesus said that... like us!

This cannot mean other religions cause if it does then there are lies in God's Word which makes Him a liar.



A baby that dies at birth has never heard about God or made a conscious decision to accept the shed blood of Jesus for salvation. Is this baby then condemned to hell for all eternity?
No, a baby has not come to accountability yet so they go to Heaven not having had their sins account to them yet... God still counts them as being innocent.
 

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Each post I've made in attempt to address you and your false teachings have been concise , to the point, and coherent. Then you come back with ad hominem nonsense in attack mode.

Perhaps you're not as "biblical" and "spiritual" as you think you are. It all makes sense though, because nothing you've stated is even remotely Scriptural, so it's easy to see why you'd get belligerent and bring nothing to the discussion. I'll take it you have no answers which was expected.
I have never made the claim that I am biblical or spiritual only that I have contritely confessed my sins to Jesus, asked Him to change my life around and invited the Holy Spirit to live in my heart. What false teaching have I said? I'm sorry for my harsh words to you and for the way you have taken them.
 

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Nothing in what Jesus stated even suggests some will not physically hear the Gospel. No one gets saved observing creation, it's simply more of your wresting of Scripture to try to make it fit into your false gospel of mysticism. Hey, but at least you have something in common with Mormons, they twist that same verse in their cult in the same way.

Romans 1:20

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.
 

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I am bracing myself for Romans 1 to be thrown in here...
Right. Nothing in Romans 1 is soteriological, it is only showing men are without excuse and know there is a Creator. But, the mysticism will pour in "God gives them a little light, and if they believe that light, then He gives them more light!" :rolleyes:

Pure. Eastern. Mysticism.

Romans 1:20

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.


There it is.
 
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I have never made the claim that I am biblical or spiritual only that I have contritely confessed my sins to Jesus, asked Him to change my life around and invited the Holy Spirit to live in my heart. What false teaching have I said? I'm sorry for my harsh words to you and for the way you have taken them.
Yes. You confessed them to Jesus. You heard about Jesus. Heard about Him. What Mr. Graham was saying those who don't know who Jesus is can be saved. That's anti-biblical.
 
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Romans 1:20

For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.
This is speaking about man's ruin outside the Christ, not the gospel. Natural revelation tells them there is God, that's why you see so many idols in remote areas.

But natural revelation does not tell them that God came as a Man, the Christ, and died for sinners, and was resurrected three days later. There's no gospel in natural revelation.