Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!
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2 Corinthians 4
7But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us. 8We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; 9persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. 11For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12So death is at work in us, but life in you.
13Since we have the same spirit of faith according to what has been written, “I believed, and so I spoke,” we also believe, and so we also speak, 14knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.
Greek Concordance: ἐγερεῖ (egerei) -- 3 Occurrences
7But we have this treasure in jars of clay, to show that the surpassing power belongs to God and not to us. 8We are afflicted in every way, but not crushed; perplexed, but not driven to despair; 9persecuted, but not forsaken; struck down, but not destroyed; 10always carrying in the body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies. 11For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. 12So death is at work in us, but life in you.
13Since we have the same spirit of faith according to what has been written, “I believed, and so I spoke,” we also believe, and so we also speak, 14knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.
Greek Concordance: ἐγερεῖ (egerei) -- 3 Occurrences
(Do you believe that Jesus died on the cross to heal your flesh, and to give you enough stuff?)
I believe that Jesus came to give me LIFE and that more abundantly...Poor and sick is not abundantly.
(As we have moved from the law of sin and death to the law of the spirit, what would it profit God to heal your flesh? He can heal you if He desires, He is after all God, but do you believe that you calling on Him to do so will move His hand? )
Sick and dead people are a lousy witness... Of course calling on Him, claiming covenant will move Him. You can deny your children if you want but God wants his kids healthy and with the funds to do His work.
(I believe He is concerned with the health of our hearts and minds, and that our spiritual health and relationship with Him is His primary concern.)
That's one reason that He is God and not you. He knows how to love without judging.
(The Old covenant was concerned with the flesh but no where in the Old Covenant does it say that if you obey all of the commandments that you will know your God, it says you will get more flour for your kneading bowl, and that your children won't be eaten by wild animals etc etc,)
Well my friend, You'd better go back to the Old Covenant and start again because its full of knowing God...Start here...YOU CANNOT TRUST SOMEBODY YOU DON'T KNOW!!
(The New Covenant gives us a relationship with our God, and there is a clear delineation between the two covenants, mashing the two together for the indulgence of your flesh (health and wealth) profits God nothing.)
Every covenant in the Book is for today for any child of God who claims covenant...God is not looking to profit..He is looking to profit YOU!
(So your flesh and the well being of your finances are no longer a concern to God.)
Tell that to God. If He was a man he would spank you for besmirching Him. What do you not understand about "Life and that more abundantly"?
(Your heart and mind and Spirit most certainly are.)
The first true statement you've made in this thread.
(So why did God come and die for us? Health and wealth, or relationship?
Certainly He can give us both, but He doesn't give us all both, and it has nothing to do with a "level" of faith. If I die penniless and starving tomorrow, I already have everything I need for life and godliness.) You have everything you want. Because of your self righteous selfishness, God couldn't use you to feed your neighbor when he was destitute..Because you couldn't feed him and his family, you couldn't share the Gospel with him. Because you couldn't share the Gospel with him he died not knowing Jesus as savior..
The spiritual stupidity you learned in a dead church is totally worthless...Kids are turning away from these churches in droves. Know why? THEY DON'T WORK!! Spiritually stupid doctrines do not work...Only Gods Word works by faith..And faith only works by LOVE And there is no love at all in any of these "WoF is a lying cult" posts
I believe that Jesus came to give me LIFE and that more abundantly...Poor and sick is not abundantly.
(As we have moved from the law of sin and death to the law of the spirit, what would it profit God to heal your flesh? He can heal you if He desires, He is after all God, but do you believe that you calling on Him to do so will move His hand? )
Sick and dead people are a lousy witness... Of course calling on Him, claiming covenant will move Him. You can deny your children if you want but God wants his kids healthy and with the funds to do His work.
(I believe He is concerned with the health of our hearts and minds, and that our spiritual health and relationship with Him is His primary concern.)
That's one reason that He is God and not you. He knows how to love without judging.
(The Old covenant was concerned with the flesh but no where in the Old Covenant does it say that if you obey all of the commandments that you will know your God, it says you will get more flour for your kneading bowl, and that your children won't be eaten by wild animals etc etc,)
Well my friend, You'd better go back to the Old Covenant and start again because its full of knowing God...Start here...YOU CANNOT TRUST SOMEBODY YOU DON'T KNOW!!
(The New Covenant gives us a relationship with our God, and there is a clear delineation between the two covenants, mashing the two together for the indulgence of your flesh (health and wealth) profits God nothing.)
Every covenant in the Book is for today for any child of God who claims covenant...God is not looking to profit..He is looking to profit YOU!
(So your flesh and the well being of your finances are no longer a concern to God.)
Tell that to God. If He was a man he would spank you for besmirching Him. What do you not understand about "Life and that more abundantly"?
(Your heart and mind and Spirit most certainly are.)
The first true statement you've made in this thread.
(So why did God come and die for us? Health and wealth, or relationship?
Certainly He can give us both, but He doesn't give us all both, and it has nothing to do with a "level" of faith. If I die penniless and starving tomorrow, I already have everything I need for life and godliness.) You have everything you want. Because of your self righteous selfishness, God couldn't use you to feed your neighbor when he was destitute..Because you couldn't feed him and his family, you couldn't share the Gospel with him. Because you couldn't share the Gospel with him he died not knowing Jesus as savior..
The spiritual stupidity you learned in a dead church is totally worthless...Kids are turning away from these churches in droves. Know why? THEY DON'T WORK!! Spiritually stupid doctrines do not work...Only Gods Word works by faith..And faith only works by LOVE And there is no love at all in any of these "WoF is a lying cult" posts
we both have observed that 'it is either 'black or white', meaning that someone is either 'totally-healed for life',
because, as we all know, we are all besieged constantly by virus and bacteria, and succumb, to
outward-inward maladies throughout our whole lives...this is WHY people die...
so, 'mis-haps'? -
hub and I have both been healed 'many times of many things', yet we still suffer from 'many of the
'after-affects' of our previous life's actions'...and of course we probably will continue to experience this
'suffering' that we mostly caused to come upon ourselves, in our 'worldly-ignorance and by following
the influences of satan while we were yet 'carnal'...
just within this past year, our Heavenly Father has led us to the healing properties of some
essential-oils that we were not familiar with or their healing properties...
we weren't ignorant of them, and actually have used some for years, but He knocked on our hearts
and has led us to pursue and learn more knowledge concerning how they can help to heal and benefit
us...it's really very, very, exciting, to be continually taught by The Holy Spirit...
and we have experienced many benefits...in short, there are 'NUMEROUS WAYS' of being HEALED,
and they are 'not-necessarily-front-world-stage'...
because, as we all know, we are all besieged constantly by virus and bacteria, and succumb, to
outward-inward maladies throughout our whole lives...this is WHY people die...
so, 'mis-haps'? -
hub and I have both been healed 'many times of many things', yet we still suffer from 'many of the
'after-affects' of our previous life's actions'...and of course we probably will continue to experience this
'suffering' that we mostly caused to come upon ourselves, in our 'worldly-ignorance and by following
the influences of satan while we were yet 'carnal'...
just within this past year, our Heavenly Father has led us to the healing properties of some
essential-oils that we were not familiar with or their healing properties...
we weren't ignorant of them, and actually have used some for years, but He knocked on our hearts
and has led us to pursue and learn more knowledge concerning how they can help to heal and benefit
us...it's really very, very, exciting, to be continually taught by The Holy Spirit...
and we have experienced many benefits...in short, there are 'NUMEROUS WAYS' of being HEALED,
and they are 'not-necessarily-front-world-stage'...
So my short answer is
1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Most church doctrines are not bible doctrine, but are the works of the devil...They're called 'doctrines of demons' Or doctrines taught by demons. So stop trying to catch me in your silly trap and get on with the Word!
1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Most church doctrines are not bible doctrine, but are the works of the devil...They're called 'doctrines of demons' Or doctrines taught by demons. So stop trying to catch me in your silly trap and get on with the Word!
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my response to you following and the 2nd time cause you ignored the first time even though I answered you
it's not me calling this doctrine word of faith
I did not create the moniker
perhaps from my posts, if you read them, you can see I am not a cessationist and do believe in the gifts given by God through the Holy Spirit
standing on the promises of God do not mean if I say it, it will be so
that is the core of WOF
I seem to remember you stating some posts back, that you do not agree with some of the outlandish things some WOF preachers spout. was that you or someone else?
if it was you, how about making clear what it is you really do believe and if do not get back to you, it is because my WIFI is down but sooner and possibly later, I will get back
ps. don't say I hate something when I have never said such a thing. that's really not very Christ-like
so no response. just a bunch of chicken jokes
that's what WOF does when called to the carpet. they evade even if they are the ones who asked the question
put your haha where your mouth is and tell us what you disagree with regarding WOF?
any of it?
most of it?
what?
it's not me calling this doctrine word of faith
I did not create the moniker
perhaps from my posts, if you read them, you can see I am not a cessationist and do believe in the gifts given by God through the Holy Spirit
standing on the promises of God do not mean if I say it, it will be so
that is the core of WOF
I seem to remember you stating some posts back, that you do not agree with some of the outlandish things some WOF preachers spout. was that you or someone else?
if it was you, how about making clear what it is you really do believe and if do not get back to you, it is because my WIFI is down but sooner and possibly later, I will get back
ps. don't say I hate something when I have never said such a thing. that's really not very Christ-like
so no response. just a bunch of chicken jokes
that's what WOF does when called to the carpet. they evade even if they are the ones who asked the question
put your haha where your mouth is and tell us what you disagree with regarding WOF?
any of it?
most of it?
what?
I did not imply that you are a cessationist...I read your posts.
(I seem to remember you stating some posts back, that you do not agree with some of the outlandish things some WOF preachers spout. was that you or someone else?)
I don't remember, but I don't trust outrageous things, unless they are in the Word.
(if it was you, how about making clear what it is you really do believe and if do not get back to you, it is because my WIFI is down but sooner and possibly later, I will get back)
What do I believe? My friend....If its in the Word...I believe it. If it's not well...probably not.
(ps. don't say I hate something when I have never said such a thing. that's really not very Christ-like)
If you spout something in a hateful manner, what am I to deduce from it?
(that's what WOF does when called to the carpet. they evade even if they are the ones who asked the question)
Sevenseas! You have not answered my question. You just went all over the map, like you say WoF's do.
(put your haha where your mouth is and tell us what you disagree with regarding WOF?) I see an error in teaching here and there just like when I go to the church down the street from me. Every pastor in every church teaches and makes mistakes at one time or another...I make too many of my own to judge them.
Now please answer my question. How do you stand on the Word?
(I seem to remember you stating some posts back, that you do not agree with some of the outlandish things some WOF preachers spout. was that you or someone else?)
I don't remember, but I don't trust outrageous things, unless they are in the Word.
(if it was you, how about making clear what it is you really do believe and if do not get back to you, it is because my WIFI is down but sooner and possibly later, I will get back)
What do I believe? My friend....If its in the Word...I believe it. If it's not well...probably not.
(ps. don't say I hate something when I have never said such a thing. that's really not very Christ-like)
If you spout something in a hateful manner, what am I to deduce from it?
(that's what WOF does when called to the carpet. they evade even if they are the ones who asked the question)
Sevenseas! You have not answered my question. You just went all over the map, like you say WoF's do.
(put your haha where your mouth is and tell us what you disagree with regarding WOF?) I see an error in teaching here and there just like when I go to the church down the street from me. Every pastor in every church teaches and makes mistakes at one time or another...I make too many of my own to judge them.
Now please answer my question. How do you stand on the Word?
Finally some Scripture verses to discuss. I thought act it was interesting that sometimes you Word Faith people quote KJV like it is the only verse, and then here, you have expanded Isa. 53 so far and beyond being a translation it is absurd.
Your version!
Now, here is what is actually going on. Healing is NOT in the atonement, in spite of this terrible twisting of Scripture.
Look at the context of Isa. 53:5-6 (And do not leave off verse 6, because it is important in context!) It is about SIN!! Not about healing. Even the Septuagint acknowledges that. Israel was sin sick and needed "healing!" Healing from what? Let's look at the verses again.
"4. Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.5 But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all." Isa. 53:5-6
Let's see the main words:
griefs
sorrows
transgressions
iniquities
chastisement
gone astray
turned our own way
the iniquity of us all.
These words are all about sin - rebellion, iniquity. You can't just pluck out the 5th line and claim it is about healing, when all the surrounding verses, in fact all of Isa. 53 is about sin, and the Messiah and the atonement saving us from our sins.
There there is the 1 Peter passage, which quotes it.
"He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed." 1 Peter 2:24 ESV
Notice the words in the first part of the sentence have to do with the last part of the verse.
bore our sins
die to sin
live to righteousness.
So what are we healed from?? From sin and unrighteousness. There is absolutely nothing to do in context with physical healing, in either Isa. 53:5-6 or 1 Peter 2:24.
Try reading the verses for what they are saying, not the lies you have been fed by the Word Faith movement!!
In fact, if you read Isa. 53 and those verses in context, here are the verses that finish that chapter on the suffering Messiah. What are they about?
They are about salvation from sin and evil!
"Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors." Isa. 53:10-12
Read all of Isaiah 53, and realize it goes together. One part of one line, talking about healing, in the context of talking about healing of our spiritual sins, means those "wounds" are sin and death. Not my metaphor, but Isaiah's.
And if you really want to know what the word WOUND means to Isaiah, then read the whole book of Isaiah. Because the opening chapter explains this prophecy is to a "diseased" (spiritually) and unrighteous and sinful Israel.
"1 The vision concerning Judah and Jerusalem that Isaiah son of Amoz saw during the reigns of Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah.
2 Hear me, you heavens! Listen, earth!For the Lord has spoken:
“I reared children and brought them up,
but they have rebelled against me.
3 The ox knows its master,
the donkey its owner’s manger,
but Israel does not know,
my people do not understand.”
4 Woe to the sinful nation,
a people whose guilt is great,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the Lord;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.
5 Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.
6 From the sole of your foot to the top of your head
there is no soundness—
only wounds and welts
and open sores,
not cleansed or bandaged
or soothed with olive oil." Isa. 1;1-6
The entire prophecy is to Israel, so that they will hear about the Messiah, who will heal their diseased and sin sick land. Note verses 1 and 3! To Judah, Jerusalem, and in verse 3 - Israel.
Do not make this prophecy about yourself, unless you take it in context.
What does God call Israel? A SINFUL NATION! He is talking about the wounds of Israel spiritually. This is Isaiah, not me, not my opinion.
Last part of verse 1:5 says,
"Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted."
Notice that the metaphor of an injured head - or our thoughts is intricately linked to the WHOLE HEART BEING AFFLICTED!
Why are they affected?
Because they are a people:
laden with iniquity
offspring of evil doers
children who deal corruptly
forsake the Lord
despised the Holy One of Israel
utterly estranged Verse 4
This is what context is all about!! What was Isaiah's message?
"And he said, “Go, and say to this people:“‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand;
keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’
10 Make the heart of this people dull,
and their ears heavy,
and blind their eyes;
lest they see with their eyes,
and hear with their ears,
and understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed.”
11 Then I said, “How long, O Lord?” Isa. 6:9-11
Israel would not and could not listen, but God warned them anyway. And he gave hope, in the future suffering servant, the Messiah, who would heal the "wounds" of sin sickness. That is the prophecy in Isa. 53, connected to Isaiah 1.
Why? Why did the Father have to send his Son? To physically heal us? Not there in any way, shape of form! He sent his Son to suffer and die because we were diseased from sin and evil.
"Why will you still be struck down?
Why will you continue to rebel?
The whole head is sick,
and the whole heart faint.
6 From the sole of the foot even to the head,
there is no soundness in it,
but bruises and sores
and raw wounds;
they are not pressed out or bound up
or softened with oil." Isa. 1:5-6
Those wounds in Isa. 53, are in context with words about sin and transgression. There is not a single word there about physical healing, although certainly, part of the Messiah's ministry was to heal us from our sin, and physical healing was part of Jesus earthly ministry.
Wounds - sin, iniquity, unrighteousness, evil, corruption, forsaking God, get it??
"Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin," Isa. 53:10
See - The end of Isaiah 53 makes it clear - The suffering servant makes his life an offering for SIN!
Another reason why both WoF and Hypergrace are such dangerous heresies. They take the Biblical definitions and the purpose Christ came to die and twist them beyond recognition from what the Bible says
"She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”" Matt 1:21
You basically just pull part of a verse or a verse out of context in all your quotes above. You added a whole bunch of words to your quote from Isa. 53, which tells me you know you don't have a leg to stand on. Read ALL of Isaiah, so you can understand the context of all of Isaiah and specifically Isa. 53. Isaiah was a prophet, like the other prophets, who prophesied against Israel because of her sins.
And Isa. 53 is the hope that a Saviour will come and save the people from their sins.
My challenge to all is that you read Isaiah and all the Old Testament prophets, and then you will understand the message of the Bible. That we are a sinful and evil people, and Jesus came to save us from our sins and make us righteous. There is simply no provision for healing in the atonement, although Jesus ministry had healing, to confirm the prophecies, and certainly, God heals when he wants.
Some people have a different view of scripture on healing. If others think differently - then that is their opinion and their own choice and they are entitled to it.
Under the Old Covenant God said in Deut. that no diseases would be upon them if they followed the law of Moses. The writer of Hebrews says that we have New Covenant built upon better promises - that the blood of Jesus speaks of better things.
Is the Old Covenant really better now then the New one? O
f course not.
Here is David speaking of healing.
Psalm 103:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget none of His benefits;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Who pardons all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases;
Healing is definitely in the true gospel message.....as can be seen when Paul preached the gospel in Lystra. in Acts 14.
Acts 14:7-10 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] and there they continued to preach the gospel.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] At Lystra a man was sitting who had no strength in his feet, lame from his mother's womb, who had never walked.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] This man was listening to Paul as he spoke, who, when he had fixed his gaze on him and had seen that he had faith to be made well,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] said with a loud voice, "Stand upright on your feet." And he leaped up and began to walk.
Paul was preaching the GOSPEL.... the man lame was listening to Paul and then he had faith to be made whole...where did this man get faith to be made whole in his body?
Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
The man that was lame from birth heard in the preaching of the gospel of the grace of Christ that he could be made whole. He believed...Paul saw it in him and encouraged him to act on his faith.
Healing is a part of the gospel of the grace of Christ as the forgiveness of sins is.
Here Jesus relates healing to forgiveness of sins.
Matthew 9:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] "Which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, and walk'?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins"—then He *said to the paralytic, "Get up, pick up your bed and go home."
Under the Old Covenant God said in Deut. that no diseases would be upon them if they followed the law of Moses. The writer of Hebrews says that we have New Covenant built upon better promises - that the blood of Jesus speaks of better things.
Is the Old Covenant really better now then the New one? O
f course not.
Here is David speaking of healing.
Psalm 103:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget none of His benefits;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Who pardons all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases;
Healing is definitely in the true gospel message.....as can be seen when Paul preached the gospel in Lystra. in Acts 14.
Acts 14:7-10 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] and there they continued to preach the gospel.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] At Lystra a man was sitting who had no strength in his feet, lame from his mother's womb, who had never walked.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] This man was listening to Paul as he spoke, who, when he had fixed his gaze on him and had seen that he had faith to be made well,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] said with a loud voice, "Stand upright on your feet." And he leaped up and began to walk.
Paul was preaching the GOSPEL.... the man lame was listening to Paul and then he had faith to be made whole...where did this man get faith to be made whole in his body?
Romans 10:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
The man that was lame from birth heard in the preaching of the gospel of the grace of Christ that he could be made whole. He believed...Paul saw it in him and encouraged him to act on his faith.
Healing is a part of the gospel of the grace of Christ as the forgiveness of sins is.
Here Jesus relates healing to forgiveness of sins.
Matthew 9:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] "Which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, and walk'?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins"—then He *said to the paralytic, "Get up, pick up your bed and go home."
Paul says - happy is he who doesn't condemn himself in what he believes. Let him have their own faith before God so people are allowed to have a different opinion on subjects such as healing.
Jesus is perfect theology:
Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father. Jesus said no one knows my Father but the Son and He has come to reveal Him to men. Jesus came to do the will of the Father.
Hebrews 1:3 says that Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father as well as the will of the Father.
If we want to see what the Father's will is concerning a subject - see what Jesus did while He was on this earth.
If we want to see how the Father views sinners - look to see how Jesus interacted with them. ( both the prostitutes and the religious Pharisees )
If we want to see if it's God's will to heal people in their physical bodies - look to Jesus while He was here on this earth. He healed "all" that came to Him. He does not change.
If we want to see what the Father's discipline looks like - watch Jesus discipline the disciples - He did it with His words.
Jesus and the Father are One in their nature, purpose and love.
There is not one time - NOT one time where some one who came to Jesus for healing - that was not healed. He healed all that came to Him. None of this was "metaphorical". There are many scriptures that attest to this fact.
No where do we find anywhere in Jesus' life where do we see any of these things being said by Jesus to anyone;
1) I can't heal you because God is trying to teach you something.
2) I can't heal you because you have sin in your life.
3) I can't heal you because you have not forgiven your mother-in-law. ( or anyone )
4) I can't heal you because you have not been eating and exercising properly. ( They were all on the Mediterranean Diet too...
)
5) I can't heal you because God wants you to suffer with this sickness so that you will learn to trust in Him.
None of these things ever occurred although we have been taught by some of our church teachings that they are true. There is no evidence in the life of Jesus - in fact - the evidence is the complete opposite of what we have been taught in some circles.
Jesus healed "every person" that came to Jesus for healing - NO ONE was refused.
Everyone is free to have the faith that they have before God. I won't insult or de-mean nor try to "lord it over their faith" if they choose to believe something else.
I will not call them a "cult" because of their unbelief in God's word on the subject that is different from others nor will I say that they are now "in heresy". I expect others to act with the same respect towards others as well.
God bless you.
We have a good, good Father and a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ. I believe we haven't even scratched the surface of understanding what Christ has done for us on the cross and resurrection and that we too have died with Him and are raised to newness of life. One day we will get incorruptible bodies where we will not be attacked. Thank you Jesus!
Jesus is perfect theology:
Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father. Jesus said no one knows my Father but the Son and He has come to reveal Him to men. Jesus came to do the will of the Father.
Hebrews 1:3 says that Jesus is the exact representation of the nature of the Father as well as the will of the Father.
If we want to see what the Father's will is concerning a subject - see what Jesus did while He was on this earth.
If we want to see how the Father views sinners - look to see how Jesus interacted with them. ( both the prostitutes and the religious Pharisees )
If we want to see if it's God's will to heal people in their physical bodies - look to Jesus while He was here on this earth. He healed "all" that came to Him. He does not change.
If we want to see what the Father's discipline looks like - watch Jesus discipline the disciples - He did it with His words.
Jesus and the Father are One in their nature, purpose and love.
There is not one time - NOT one time where some one who came to Jesus for healing - that was not healed. He healed all that came to Him. None of this was "metaphorical". There are many scriptures that attest to this fact.
No where do we find anywhere in Jesus' life where do we see any of these things being said by Jesus to anyone;
1) I can't heal you because God is trying to teach you something.
2) I can't heal you because you have sin in your life.
3) I can't heal you because you have not forgiven your mother-in-law. ( or anyone )
4) I can't heal you because you have not been eating and exercising properly. ( They were all on the Mediterranean Diet too...
)5) I can't heal you because God wants you to suffer with this sickness so that you will learn to trust in Him.
None of these things ever occurred although we have been taught by some of our church teachings that they are true. There is no evidence in the life of Jesus - in fact - the evidence is the complete opposite of what we have been taught in some circles.
Jesus healed "every person" that came to Jesus for healing - NO ONE was refused.
Everyone is free to have the faith that they have before God. I won't insult or de-mean nor try to "lord it over their faith" if they choose to believe something else.
I will not call them a "cult" because of their unbelief in God's word on the subject that is different from others nor will I say that they are now "in heresy". I expect others to act with the same respect towards others as well.
God bless you.
We have a good, good Father and a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ. I believe we haven't even scratched the surface of understanding what Christ has done for us on the cross and resurrection and that we too have died with Him and are raised to newness of life. One day we will get incorruptible bodies where we will not be attacked. Thank you Jesus!
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God's Kingdom works on seedtime and harvest so everything produces after it's own kind... sin and death is WHY there is sickness and disease.
Since Jesus is victorious over sin and death... that covers sickness and disease as well as every bad thing that came upon man as a result of sin.
But, these things are still active in the world today and will be even through the 1000 year reign of Christ (it's why He will reign with a hand of iron) so only thru God's promises can one overcome and get victory over sin, death, sicknes, disease, and all the rest of the evil that came upon man thru Adam's sin
2 Peter 1:3,4
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Did ya notice "escaped corruption"???
Unless someone wants to claim the Lord was not speaking thru the Apostle Peter?
Just like when Jesus was in His earthly ministry... He be gonna heal some bruthaz!
1 John 3:8
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Did Jesus accomplish that which the Father sent Him to accomplish... or, are you gonna claim He was a failure???
You be makin some devils very, very happy!
No, God is wanting you to do well in every area of life... just like Jesus!
3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Philippians 4:19
But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
Matthew 6:31-33
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek ) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
You are making some demons very, very happy again!
Since you believe it's not for you... it's not!
You obviously don't have a Hebrew dictionary, but whatever you wanna believe for yourself.
Even if what you were saying could possibly be true (God would have to be a liar)... you are still stuck with:
Proverbs 4:20-23
Attend to My words; incline your ear unto My sayings....let them not depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart....for they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh....keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it flow the forces of life.
God's Word is SO powerful... It heals, and sets free!
Jesus IS the Word... Do you believe Jesus has come in the flesh???
Glad you brought that up... Christians are able to access the blessings God promised to Abraham (who was called friend of God) thru Jesus!
Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I am IN CHRIST... so, no thank you.
I'm joint heirs with Him (Romans 8:17)... and He ain't sick, or poor!
No, this stuff in in your Bible too... you have just decided to not believe it and therefore because of that, it's not applicable to you.
You sure seem stressed out over all this... do need to take a break and go take some of those meds?
Since Jesus is victorious over sin and death... that covers sickness and disease as well as every bad thing that came upon man as a result of sin.
But, these things are still active in the world today and will be even through the 1000 year reign of Christ (it's why He will reign with a hand of iron) so only thru God's promises can one overcome and get victory over sin, death, sicknes, disease, and all the rest of the evil that came upon man thru Adam's sin
2 Peter 1:3,4
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Did ya notice "escaped corruption"???
Unless someone wants to claim the Lord was not speaking thru the Apostle Peter?
Just like when Jesus was in His earthly ministry... He be gonna heal some bruthaz!
1 John 3:8
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Did Jesus accomplish that which the Father sent Him to accomplish... or, are you gonna claim He was a failure???
You be makin some devils very, very happy!
No, God is wanting you to do well in every area of life... just like Jesus!
3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
Philippians 4:19
But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.
Matthew 6:31-33
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek ) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
You are making some demons very, very happy again!
Since you believe it's not for you... it's not!
You obviously don't have a Hebrew dictionary, but whatever you wanna believe for yourself.
Even if what you were saying could possibly be true (God would have to be a liar)... you are still stuck with:
Proverbs 4:20-23
Attend to My words; incline your ear unto My sayings....let them not depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart....for they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh....keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it flow the forces of life.
God's Word is SO powerful... It heals, and sets free!
Jesus IS the Word... Do you believe Jesus has come in the flesh???
Glad you brought that up... Christians are able to access the blessings God promised to Abraham (who was called friend of God) thru Jesus!
Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
I am IN CHRIST... so, no thank you.
I'm joint heirs with Him (Romans 8:17)... and He ain't sick, or poor!
No, this stuff in in your Bible too... you have just decided to not believe it and therefore because of that, it's not applicable to you.
You sure seem stressed out over all this... do need to take a break and go take some of those meds?