King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?

[Agricola]

I wont read a bible that promotes Jesus as a son of the gods....It's another Jesus and another gospel.

Daniel 3:25New Living Translation (NLT)

25 “Look!” Nebuchadnezzar shouted. “I see four men, unbound, walking around in the fire unharmed! And the fourth looks like a god is not promoting Jesus as son of the gods though.


This is not promoting Jesus as son of the gods though. It is a quote by a Nebuchadnezzar who worshipped false gods, but recognised a miricle by the true God. We also do not know if it was Jesus in the fire. could have been an angel.

Had you read something on lines of "Paul told the crowd that Jesus son of the gods, was going to save them.." Then yes this is utterly wrong. Please learn to read things in context.

 

[SovereignGrace]

This is why I threw away all bibles except the KJV.

Daniel 3:25King James Version (KJV)

25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.


Daniel 3:25New Living Translation (NLT)

25 “Look!” Nebuchadnezzar shouted. “I see four men, unbound, walking around in the fire unharmed! And the fourth looks like a god[a]!”
Footnotes:

1. 3:25 Aramaic like a son of the gods.

I would venture to guess the KJV had it wrong, and here's why. Daniel has recorded the words of a pagan king. He does not know the God of Israel at that time, so for him to see this miracle, three Hebrews bound hand and foot, tossed into a fiery pit, so fiery the flames consumed those who tossed those Israelites into that pit, and he sees Someone with them, and they are walking around unbound, and the flames having no effect on them, neither their clothing.

After they come out, he proclaims their God to be the God his ppl, the Babylonians, would worship. However, in Daniel 4, Daniel gives him a stern warning that when he took credit for what God gave him, his kingdom, he'd lose his mind and go stark-raving mad. It was only after he looked upwards that God restored his mind unto him and he said, "At the end of that time, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven, and my sanity was restored. Then I praised the Most High; I honored and glorified him who lives forever. His dominion is an eternal dominion; his kingdom endures from generation to generation.All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: “What have you done?”At the same time that my sanity was restored, my honor and splendor were returned to me for the glory of my kingdom. My advisers and nobles sought me out, and I was restored to my throne and became even greater than before. Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways are just. And those who walk in pride he is able to humble."[vss 34-37]

So, to him, at the time of the fiery furnace, Jesus, or whoever was there with them(I've read where it was an angel of the Lord, not saying I agree with that, but just to show there are varying views), he did believe in gods, just not the God of Israel. So, to see just a miracle, he expressed this the best he could with the info he had.

 

[graceNpeace]

Nothing wrong with the KJV but plenty wrong with KJVonlyism.

As for Steven Anderson - he is a complete fruitcake.

 

[trofimus]

Says you and some but not all:

"The Church of the East has always rejected this claim. We believe that the Books of the New Testament were originally penned in Aramaic, and later translated into Greek by first-century Gentile Christians in the West, but never in the East, where the Aramaic was the Lingua Franca of the Persian Empire. We also hold and maintain that after the books were translated into Greek, the Aramaic originals were discarded, for by now the Church in the West was almost completely Gentile and Greek-speaking. This was not the case in the East, which had a Jewish majority (especially in Babylon and Adiabene) for a much longer period. Even when the Church of the East became mostly Gentile, the Aramaic was preserved and used rather than translated into the various vernacular languages of the regions to the East of the Euphrates river."

When you think about this, it is really illogical claim.

Why would Luke, being Greek, write in some kind of a local Jewish language?

Why would Paul used Aramaic when writing to Corinth, Rome, Ephesus etc etc? That really makes no sense.

Its like me writing to Beijing and using Czech language. Of course I would use English and they used Greek in those times.

 

[pckts]

When you think about this, it is really illogical claim.

Why would Luke, being Greek, write in some kind of a local Jewish language?

Why would Paul used Aramaic when writing to Corinth, Rome, Ephesus etc etc? That really makes no sense.

Its like me writing to Beijing and using Czech language. Of course I would use English and they used Greek in those times.

Christ spoke Aramaic or Hebrew. Perhaps he wanted to write what Christ spoke in the language he spoke. Maybe Luke knew more than one language, or perhaps he had his writings transcribed for him by someone who spoke Aramaic.

idk I'm not an ancient historian, and I only speak english and attend public school and college. I don't feel qualified to say the church of the east is lying or misinformed about their source texts. I would think if they brought The Word to the east, they would have brought them words they understood rather than handing them greek texts and telling them to translate them themselves. Wouldn't the apostles have personally ensured they stories were penned in multiple languages?

 

[Dai3234]

The Dr James White interview is included with the film, that was the reason for the interview. You really watch it. I know he's an angry pulpit hitter, but his lessons are better than most other people's.

The errors of the new versions make easy words into confusing words. They remove believing in Christ in Philemon baptism, they say "the fallen morning star" , which is Christ in KJV, they say beat or buffet body instead of bring it under control.

So if your just going off the interview, you missed a lot.

KJV

 

[SovereignGrace]

Nothing wrong with the KJV but plenty wrong with KJVonlyism.

As for Steven Anderson - he is a complete fruitcake.

Gonna get some heat here, but here goes...

I think the KJV needs to go. It's antiquated 17th century language that no one uses today. The newer versions are written to better comprehend what was written. It has had a really good run, but now it needs to be tossed.

No other translation, that I know of that is, has caused such a strife amongst God's ppl. When one goes so far as to say the KJV is God's word preserved for us, then that tells me all I need to know.

Ducking for cover now...

 

[pckts]

Gonna get some heat here, but here goes...

I think the KJV needs to go. It's antiquated 17th century language that no one uses today. The newer versions are written to better comprehend what was written. It has had a really good run, but now it needs to be tossed.

No other translation, that I know of that is, has caused such a strife amongst God's ppl. When one goes so far as to say the KJV is God's word preserved for us, then that tells me all I need to know.

Ducking for cover now...

The arguments remind me of when I was a kid and we would argue if it was better to own Xbox or Playstation

 

[trofimus]

Christ spoke Aramaic or Hebrew. Perhaps he wanted to write what Christ spoke in the language he spoke. Maybe Luke knew more than one language, or perhaps he had his writings transcribed for him by someone who spoke Aramaic.

idk I'm not an ancient historian, and I only speak english and attend public school and college. I don't feel qualified to say the church of the east is lying or misinformed about their source texts. I would think if they brought The Word to the east, they would have brought them words they understood rather than handing them greek texts and telling them to translate them themselves. Wouldn't the apostles have personally ensured they stories were penned in multiple languages?

Christ spoke Galilean Aramaic (probably).

We really can not expect churches in Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Smyrna, Alexandria etc etc understood Galilean Aramaic. The New Testament was originally written in Greek.

There are some theories that the gospel of Matthew was originally in Aramaic/Hebrew, but thats pretty much it.

 

[Dai3234]

Gonna get some heat here, but here goes...

I think the KJV needs to go. It's antiquated 17th century language that no one uses today. The newer versions are written to better comprehend what was written. It has had a really good run, but now it needs to be tossed.

No other translation, that I know of that is, has caused such a strife amongst God's ppl. When one goes so far as to say the KJV is God's word preserved for us, then that tells me all I need to know.

Ducking for cover now...

I agree the KJV should be changed for a new age, but the NKJV is not the same in meaning as the KJV. I think a new EKJV should be made for English, only changing words to update them, and not re-translate them. As it is not a KJV if you re-translate, it's a different Bible all together. I would prefer a slightly easier version to read for faster reading and explaining also. Also, watch video.

 

[preacher4truth]

The Dr James White interview is included with the film, that was the reason for the interview. You really watch it. I know he's an angry pulpit hitter, but his lessons are better than most other people's.

The errors of the new versions make easy words into confusing words. They remove believing in Christ in Philemon baptism, they say "the fallen morning star" , which is Christ in KJV, they say beat or buffet body instead of bring it under control.

So if your just going off the interview, you missed a lot.

KJV

Hey man, if you want to be hoodwinked by Anderson, by his false arguments and ignorance of translations &c, and by kjvo then ok. Christ is enough for me so I don't need to join a cult and fly it's heretical flag. I'm sure some on here can help to further your indoctrination and ensnare you.

 

[Dai3234]

The arguments remind me of when I was a kid and we would argue if it was better to own Xbox or Playstation

If anyone bothered to watch the video, you might say otherwise?

 

[trofimus]

I agree the KJV should be changed for a new age, but the NKJV is not the same in meaning as the KJV. I think a new EKJV should be made for English, only changing words to update them, and not re-translate them. As it is not a KJV if you re-translate, it's a different Bible all together. I would prefer a slightly easier version to read for faster reading and explaining also. Also, watch video.

If you want to update the English language, why do you not want to update also text to translate from?

We know the KJV translators did not have the best manuscripts, in the middle ages and on some forgotten island called England

 

[Dai3234]

Hey man, if you want to be hoodwinked by Anderson, by his false arguments and ignorance of translations &c, and by kjvo then ok. Christ is enough for me so I don't need to join a cult and fly it's heretical flag. I'm sure some on here can help to further your indoctrination and ensnare you.

Hey man, if you didn't watch the video, your probably making a point from subconscious- incompetence. Like a general tweeter with no real effort to understand both sides. I don't ignore pastor's because some of their things are ugly. I watch what is sensible and ignore the garbage. I watch anything that is well thought through and sensible, with facts.

 

[Dai3234]

Hmm, think I'm not going to create anymore new threads on cc, because people just post a reply without doing what the thread message says, through selfish ignorance. If only I had money. I could make a new version for everyone.

 

[preacher4truth]

Hey man, if you didn't watch the video, your probably making a point from subconscious- incompetence. Like a general tweeter with no real effort to understand both sides. I don't ignore pastor's because some of their things are ugly. I watch what is sensible and ignore the garbage. I watch anything that is well thought through and sensible, with facts.

I've already watched him in the past so your ad hominem is you benighted. Anderson doesn't fall under sensible, that you think he is says too much. You really need to understand a lot more then you maybe wouldn't be so gullible. Read Whites book and learn something instead of getting your theology from a cultist.

 

[pckts]

◄ Matthew 9:17 ►

King James Bible
Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

New Living Translation
"And no one puts new wine into old wineskins. For the old skins would burst from the pressure, spilling the wine and ruining the skins. New wine is stored in new wineskins so that both are preserved."

New International Version
Neither do people pour new wine into old wineskins. If they do, the skins will burst; the wine will run out and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved."
[h=1]New King James Version (NKJV)[/h] [SUP]17 [/SUP]Nor do they put new wine into old wineskins, or else the wineskins break, the wine is spilled, and the wineskins are ruined. But they put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.”


Is it best if we use the KJV here?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Hey man, if you didn't watch the video, your probably making a point from subconscious- incompetence. Like a general tweeter with no real effort to understand both sides. I don't ignore pastor's because some of their things are ugly. I watch what is sensible and ignore the garbage. I watch anything that is well thought through and sensible, with facts.

And now, ppl, you know why I post...

Gonna get some heat here, but here goes...

I think the KJV needs to go. It's antiquated 17th century language that no one uses today. The newer versions are written to better comprehend what was written. It has had a really good run, but now it needs to be tossed.

No other translation, that I know of that is, has caused such a strife amongst God's ppl. When one goes so far as to say the KJV is God's word preserved for us, then that tells me all I need to know.

Ducking for cover now...

 

[pckts]

If anyone bothered to watch the video, you might say otherwise?

Steven Anderson is mentally unstable, I don't want to hear or watch anything he has to say about anything.



I've heard him speak about Zionism before in a Documentary someone else produced, and they were able to contain him and he sounded somewhat reasonable. Left to his own devices he makes a mockery of himself.

 

[Dai3234]

I've already watched him in the past so your ad hominem is you benighted. Anderson doesn't fall under sensible, that you think he is says too much. You really need to understand a lot more then you maybe wouldn't be so gullible. Read Whites book and learn something instead of getting your theology from a cultist.

I already mentioned he's a pulpit hitter, but that doesn't make the movie wrong. I already mentioned I read and have the NIV, ESV,NKJV, GIDEON'S, AMP, KJV. So your point of being occultist is a bit daft. I said I would read them and highlight the errors compared to KJV, then avoid them, and read KJV quotes. I've watched & still watch, James White, John MacArthur, John Piper, shepherds conference, cross, ligoniere, etc. So just because your limiting your biblical education, doesn't mean I should. Are you saying God decided to hide His Word for a over, uhh, 2000 years and the new versions are accurate when they say the morning star has fallen? CHRIST? Watch the video and see the depth of translation compared to a couple of guys with a laptop working for a profiteering printing company. I mean they say things like Joseph is Jesus father, he's not, he's stepfather as it were. Spelling mistakes or having camel going through a needle eye instead of a rope, is insignificant as they mean the same thing (KJV), it doesn't have the rope turning the needle into a chicken, you get the point.
Hopefully someone will watch the video and make a factual rebuttal, as this is Bible discussion and not family spat area.