King James Bible ONLY? Or NOT?

[preacher4truth]

Here's the thing, and it is true: When a person doesn't have a strong knowledge of the Gospel, of God, or Christ, or of Scripture, they resort to sectarian teachings such as KJVOnlyism, WoF, personal revelations, lean towards the occultic in Scripture, on conspiracies &c, among many other errors in order to fill in the gap. And that is a fact.

If they had a solid understanding of the aforementioned good doctrines of God, Christ, the Gospel, and Scripture, they'd find them as doctrines and truths that could never be exhausted and they'd preach on those things instead of the errant teachings of the latter.

 

[preacher4truth]

I don't even know what a wimple is....

I think it's a wittle pimple.

 

[notmyown]

There's only two camps:

1. We have the final authority on what God has said in one translation.

2. We have no final authority on what God has said, thus man becomes his own final authority through scholarship and "higher" education.

God has promised to preserve His pure words for all generations. Where are they?

all generations of English speakers, i guess.

i have this request of KJVO, and that is please open your eyes to the wide world of non-English speakers.

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we have a KJV along with many other English translations (and they're ALL translations). isn't God good to bless us so?

my go to for daily reading? NASB or ESV

 

[notmyown]

I probably won't be around for long.

i really hope this won't be so.

 

[John146]

all generations of English speakers, i guess.

i have this request of KJVO, and that is please open your eyes to the wide world of non-English speakers.

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we have a KJV along with many other English translations (and they're ALL translations). isn't God good to bless us so?

my go to for daily reading? NASB or ESV

First, God never promised to preserve His words in all languages. The simple gospel truth can be given in all languages. Second, confusion and doubt comes with more than one so called Bible. What it eventually becomes is man becoming his own final authority on what God has said. "Well for me, I like this version because..." I,I,I and me,me,me is always dangerous, rather, what does the Bible actually say. If I can't trust every word to be right, why should I trust any of it to be right.

 

[notmyown]

First, God never promised to preserve His words in all languages. The simple gospel truth can be given in all languages. Second, confusion and doubt comes with more than one so called Bible. What it eventually becomes is man becoming his own final authority on what God has said. "Well for me, I like this version because..." I,I,I and me,me,me is always dangerous, rather, what does the Bible actually say. If I can't trust every word to be right, why should I trust any of it to be right.

wait, so God promised to preserve His Word in English only? o_0
man, i'd love to see that verse in the Scriptures.

KJVO do exactly what you describe above, too, you know.

IF we were ancient language experts and IF we had all the original autographs, we'd be golden.
but we aren't, and we don't.

 

[posthuman]

First, God never promised to preserve His words in all languages.

yeah including English.

The simple gospel truth can be given in all languages.

wait didn't you just argue against the Word being preserved in all languages?

Second, confusion and doubt comes with more than one so called Bible.

isn't this an argument now that we should all learn Greek & Hebrew?

What it eventually becomes is man becoming his own final authority on what God has said. "Well for me, I like this version because..."

you mean like the way in which every KJV-Only response in this thread has been to the tune of "i prefer the interpretation of the KJV's language vs. the NLT" and none of them have been pointing to the original languages and showing that the KJV gives a more correct translation?

I,I,I and me,me,me is always dangerous, rather, what does the Bible actually say.

yes, what does the Bible - written in Hebrew and Greek, not in English, actually say?
when are you going to show us that the KJV gets the translation from the scriptures native languages right in each and every instance, and when will we stop hearing the circular logic about how an interpretation that a person gets from the KJV matches the text of the KJV?

If I can't trust every word to be right, why should I trust any of it to be right.

IOW, you are a Hebrew/Greek - onlyist?

because that's what your argument points to. to the earliest, most reliable manuscripts closest to the original languages.
not to what a group of English-speakers working from Latin texts translated 500 years ago.

 

[posthuman]

it's really a pity we don't have some kind of divine Tutor who can speak to our hearts in a true tongue and perfect speech, to reveal Christ in the scripture...

if only Christ had not left us orphans! if only we had another Comforter and Teacher!

such a shame that we, our own tongues confused from the days of Babel, are stuck clamoring about the work mortal men did trying to translate the Bible from one language into another, worried that all hope is lost if we don't have a perfect rendition in exactly one human form of speech and cling to it as if it is the very Messiah itself.

alas and alack for Trofimus! who doesn't read the Bible in English to begin with.
how can he possibly be saved? is he doomed to eternal darkness of countenance?
if we want him to be able to really take hold of the word of God and hide it in his heart, should we teach him Shakespearean English, or Koine Greek?

 

[notmyown]

umm.... why do non-English speakers only rate the "simple Gospel" ?
why don't they get the whole Word? every word that comes from the mouth of God?

the implication is God doesn't care enough about them to grant it in their own language, or let them, er brush up their Shakespeare?

 

[preacher4truth]

First, God never promised to preserve His words in all languages.

Including English.

The simple gospel truth can be given in all languages.

In a sense the Gospel is simple, but as to those who only refer to it as thus, it shows they don't really know it, nor have they delved into it's complexity in attempt to exhaust its truths. In such a case the Gospel isn't truly understood nor is it held high.

Second, confusion and doubt comes with more than one so called Bible.

Only to those who are benighted and hold the Word in simpleton doctrines. Such show they have very little understanding of Spiritual things. Ignorance has become the new spirituality, and the lost world has rightly derided the ignorance of those belonging to said group.

What it eventually becomes is man becoming his own final authority on what God has said. "Well for me, I like this version because..." I,I,I and me,me,me is always dangerous, rather, what does the Bible actually say. If I can't trust every word to be right, why should I trust any of it to be right.

The above shows a thorough lack of understanding driven by straw man arguments.

 

[posthuman]

umm.... why do non-English speakers only rate the "simple Gospel" ?
why don't they get the whole Word? every word that comes from the mouth of God?

the implication is God doesn't care enough about them to grant it in their own language, or let them, er brush up their Shakespeare?

i know right??

my heart is heavy for all those in China who were under the impression that they had found the word of God and accepted it, not having any idea that they are all still walking around in utter darkness, because they are hearing & reading in Mandarin!

and i don't even know what to think about what happened at pentecost, when all those spirit-filled people were praising God in so many languages -- if only one of them, or worse, none of them were miraculously speaking Elizabethan English, mercy! what was really going on there??

 

[Grandpa]

Including English.



In a sense the Gospel is simple, but as to those who only refer to it as thus, it shows they don't really know it, nor have they delved into it's complexity in attempt to exhaust its truths. In such a case the Gospel isn't truly understood nor is it held high.



Only to those who are benighted and hold the Word in simpleton doctrines. Such show they have very little understanding of Spiritual things. Ignorance has become the new spirituality, and the lost world has rightly derided the ignorance of those belonging to said group.



The above shows a thorough lack of understanding driven by straw man arguments.

There are versions of the bible that purposefully confuse the actual gospel. I've seen people quote from them.

And it left me wondering "Does it really say that? I don't remember that..." Then I look it up in the kjv, and I see it doesn't say that....

For example, the complete jewish version.... Other versions do this as well but I can't think of specific examples off the top of my head.

 

[Grandpa]

i know right??

my heart is heavy for all those in China who were under the impression that they had found the word of God and accepted it, not having any idea that they are all still walking around in utter darkness, because they are hearing & reading in Mandarin!

and i don't even know what to think about what happened at pentecost, when all those spirit-filled people were praising God in so many languages -- if only one of them, or worse, none of them were miraculously speaking Elizabethan English, mercy! what was really going on there??

I'm sure there are mandarin translations of the KJV.

Right?

 

[notmyown]

i know right??

my heart is heavy for all those in China who were under the impression that they had found the word of God and accepted it, not having any idea that they are all still walking around in utter darkness, because they are hearing & reading in Mandarin!

and i don't even know what to think about what happened at pentecost, when all those spirit-filled people were praising God in so many languages -- if only one of them, or worse, none of them were miraculously speaking Elizabethan English, mercy! what was really going on there??

post, you make me laugh.

sometimes reductio ad absurdum is the only place to go.

our friends Bill and Claudia have children serving as missionaries in Lebanon, Hong Kong, and Nepal.
they learned the languages of the people. but! they didn't get the KJV memo!

the Lord doesn't appear to be hindered by this, thankfully. lol

 

[notmyown]

I'm sure there are mandarin translations of the KJV.

Right?

*giggles*

i know you use the KJV. i like it at times, too, and i'm surprised at the number of passages stuck in my head in the King James.

my posts aren't intended to offend those of you who prefer the KJV.
i'd just like for us to consider the people of the world who speak Spanish or Portuguese or Sambal.

ya know?

 

[Dino246]

Are you promoting a Savior from which you read of in a book that is not trustworthy?

It seems that your concept of "trustworthy" begins and ends with the KJV. Because of that, I don't think we have common ground to discuss the concept.

 

[preacher4truth]

There are versions of the bible that purposefully confuse the actual gospel. I've seen people quote from them.

And it left me wondering "Does it really say that? I don't remember that..." Then I look it up in the kjv, and I see it doesn't say that....

For example, the complete jewish version.... Other versions do this as well but I can't think of specific examples off the top of my head.

Fair enough. If you happen to recall any of those incidents they would be worthy of our discussion brother.

 

[Dino246]

... Second, confusion and doubt comes with more than one so called Bible.

I've seen enough of this carp. It's ridiculous, and completely undermines your preference of the KJV. If, as you claim, confusion and doubt come with more than one Bible, then you need to toss your KJV and get a Tyndale, and use it only. The KJV came after, and therefore is a cause of confusion. Or perhaps you need to get a copy of the Vulgate.

Please, for the sake of your own credibility, stop using this illogical and self-refuting argument.

 

[Dino246]

it's really a pity we don't have some kind of divine Tutor who can speak to our hearts in a true tongue and perfect speech, to reveal Christ in the scripture...

It seems the memo got garbled and we ended up with a divine Tudor.

 

[Dai3234]

umm.... why do non-English speakers only rate the "simple Gospel" ?
why don't they get the whole Word? every word that comes from the mouth of God?

the implication is God doesn't care enough about them to grant it in their own language, or let them, er brush up their Shakespeare?

Kind of a non-comment you just made as it's the meaning of the phrase that matters. Old English saying; thou art good.
Being translated into Chinese, meaning; you are good. Is not the same as translating into; you are god.

Grow up.