things that are obviously not dishonest.
Notice the self-serving presumption. Just amazing. Wow. Yes, I believe you
were fudging. I actually believe that. And I see you fudging here yet again. You say I accuse you of dishonesty for
"saying tongues drew the attention of the crowd". That's another tweak. Another twitch. You didn't originally refer to "tongues" in the statement I was complaining about. You just said they
"drew the crowd"...without mentioning any speaking at all. You were trying to de-emphasize that the tongues-speakers were actually preaching ("declaring"). It's fudging. It's shaving the facts. And here you've
done it yet again...by
adding back in a belated reference to "tongues". Yes, it's exasperating.
obnoxious, unpleasant, disagreeable
Oh my goodness - the slander, the libel, the defamation.
Show me the verses where it says miracles have or will cease. I have pointed you to I Corinthians 12 which says that the Spirit gives to one this gift and to another another gift. The working of miracles is in that list.
Fella, this isn't a debate about what is on the pages of Scripture. It's a debate about what you're (falsely) claiming is going on out there in the world. I'm simply saying there are no Jesus-style miracles going on. There's no evidence. I'm challenging you to produce the evidence. That's what the Scriptures instruct you to do.
You claim there are ongoing miracles and tongues-speaking. Produce the evidence. So far, you remain in disobedience to the Bible. You're not producing reason and evidence for your beliefs and claims of modern-day miracles and signs.
You're sending people on a 'snipe hunt'. You're telling us to go the the bottom of the hill with a broom and a grocery bag and then you are going to chase the snipes over the hill and then we should sweep the snipes into the grocery bag. But there ARE no "snipes".
Or if there are snipes (AKA Pentecostal signs and miracles)...produce the proof. This has nothing to do with the pages of Scripture for the moment.
Folks who go off on an intellectually honest quest to discover the alleged world of Charismatic/Pentecostal supernatural phenomena...end up hurt and disillusioned...as any number of threads here at CC attest to. People like you are, in effect, mistreating folks. Your false doctrines are abusive.
You are in the same position as the atheist who insists that he knows for sure there is no evidence for God, when he hasn't experienced a millionth of a percent of the universe
Researching the world via an Internet search engine which accesses the entire Internet...is not comparable to an atheist who can't examine a trillionth of the universe.
First of all, if there were an emerging phenomenon of a bona fide "healer" (or "healers" plural), news would spread like wildfire through the Charismatic world. Then it would spread to People magazine, 60 Minutes, and the rest of the media.
It simply is not accurate to say one cannot effectively research the world to a reasonable degree. In the current Information Age, the world is blanketed with a connected network of millions and billions of observers. Not so for the universe. To say you can't research things to a reasonable degree in this world and in the age of the Internet...is just nonsense.
God did not play 'hide-and-seek' with Jesus-style miracles in the early days...thus, I reasonably assume He would not play 'hide-and-seek' in the modern-day. And yet...I have asked Charismatic/Pentecostal aficionados to scour the world via the Internet and YouTube...and produce even a scintilla of evidence...as I did with you. And...you guys have produced zip/zero/zilch evidence.
I have said this before -- notice there are exactly zero Charismatic/Pentecostal believers here at CC who are happily practicing a "gift of prophecy"...blessing each other's socks off with eye-popping 'divine insights' into each other's lives:
"Hey, the Lord told me in a vision, take that job offer, cancel your 2nd mortgage loan application, and tell your daughter to buy the 2010 Prius she is looking at!"
None of that is happening because the gift of prophecy no longer exists. So I have preliminarily concluded. Unless you can take a break from chiding and chastising me for not accepting your "bus accident" story...and produce some demonstration and/or proof.
And you are saying mean things about a woman who was in a wheelchair for 20 years. If she had a bit of trouble walking after 20 years, but could still walk after prayer, you should praise God for that.
Again, amazingly insincere and dishonest nonsense. I am merely using some descriptiveness. The woman isn't here to take offense. Sheer baloney. Good grief. And yes, she did "lurch". Ridiculous, dishonest misdirection on your part.
I sort of don't blame you: I wouldn't want to talk about the fact I had tried to present this bizarre lurching episode as a Jesus-style "ZAP miracle" either...if I were you.
As I said, I gave you the run of the entirety of YouTube Worldwide to cherry-pick the best evidence. But you only proved
my point...that there
is no evidence. You have thus failed to
"give a reason" for your beliefs and aggressive assertions...that there are supposedly ongoing Jesus-style miracles.
And yes, I have serious questions about the veracity of some aspects of the woman's story...even apart from the fact it doesn't come within a million miles of a Jesus-style miracle. But that's where Classic Pentecostalism kicks in...with charges of being "mean" and "nasty" etc.