The finished work of the cross ?

[miknik5]

THE SEED



Isaiah 53

i think everyone should reread and understand that CHRIST's SACRIFICE was GOD's plan from the beginning

 

[followjesus]

Faith is faith and works are works. Faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root. Simple stuff. Also, Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. Building the ark was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith and not the origin of it. Faith is believing, trusting, relying and obedience which follows is works.

it doesnt matter what noah did before , He was saved by grace when God warned Him,( Genesis 6:8) and was saved by faith because he believed and obeyed God. Genesis 6:22) simple

if God had said "Im going to destroy the earth, buid an ark, and noah didnt believe God, he wouldnt have wasted His time building the ark, and im sure He would have drown with the world. thats the point faith will always produce obedience. not "works" those are of the Law and not by Faith. Noah was from a time before Law, when faith was salvation, Like we are now, theres no law of moses now, we walk by Faith in the word of God, like noah did, like abraham did

hebrews 11:7-8 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

faith is to hear Gods word and obey it, knowing God isnt going to lie or lead astray. do you suppose God said ill build you an ark and place you in it? or dont bother coing anything abram, ill make you the father of many nations?

God has always accomplished His word By speaking it, we have faith because we believe His word is true, and the action can only be to do it because we believe, otherwise it makes us fools. or makes us lacking faith.

there is only salvation by Grace, and through the faith Jesus set forth for us to believe and do. the grace that calls us through the cross, and the faith that believes Him and follows. those who are called have to come to the point of following. Hearing the word is good, doing the word is faith. works of the Law are not of faith, because the mosaic Law is not of faith. they saw Gods presence, they knew He was right there, we walk by faith in what He said, not seeing but we believe His word because He is God. faith was before the Law, and after the Law..

had noah been thinking I already walked with God so im saved, and didnt hear and obey, he survuves until the flood and then dies having no ark. we have been told that Gods wrath is coming on the world, that should motivate the believers to learn from Jesus and take His words to heart. if we do that, the power of God is in them to make new people where the old was lost. all by Faith, but faith grows its not saying obey every tittle now, to a new believer they see " john 3:16 and believe, they then persevere and see the things Jesus taught such as the sermon on the mount, this works in thier conscience to show them, and then later they see " dont Just hear me, do these things.." faith is a growing thing but it only comes through belief in Gods word, and refusing to accept doctrines that teach people to look away from Jesus and the gospel. thats where faith exists

 

[serpentdove]

Is Christianity simply about what Jesus did in dying on the cross or is it about Jesus the Christ, the Only begotten Son of God?

He died for your sins (Luke 19:10). If you’re saved, he destroys Satan’s work in your life (Heb. 2:14; 1 John 3:8).

…f saying I believe then means you can never possibly sin again...

Is that what the apostle John says? 1 Jn 1:9

…[D]oes that mean a liar or a cheater isn’t really sinning because we have a scapegoat now for the things we do that we Know are in opposition to what is right?

For the greasy gracer

(the false convert) yes. He believes that Jesus’ sacrifice was his license to sin (Jud 4).

He’s never known God (Mt 7:23).

Every sin will be paid for by you in hell forever or by Jesus on the cross (Ga 6:7).

…and the cross just excuses that? For the greasy gracer,

yes (Jud 4); but, they die in their sins (Jn 3:36). Catholics teach that they control Jesus—bring him down from heaven daily all over the world on various alters to be re-sacrificed again and again. They sin Monday through Saturday, confess on Sunday and think they’re good with God.

They aren’t (Ro 10:6). They’ve been deceived (Jud 11) believing they won’t die eternally (Ge 3:4).

…How does His death promised long ago, change the rest.

In the church age you can accept Christ as your Lord and Savior now. Noticed I said Lord and Savior. Not I’ll take that Savior bit and leave out Lord of my life. When the church is gone (wise virgins) strong delusion comes and a new dispensation arrives--something like the OT. They didn't love the truth, they believe the lie (2 Thess 2:11).

 

[followjesus]

THE SEED



Isaiah 53

i think everyone should reread and understand that CHRIST's SACRIFICE was GOD's plan from the beginning

do you realize God said hundreds of things Jesus would do and be and mean throughout all of prophecy?? thats not everything, its surely an essential part of the gospel but so is this

isiah 11: 1-5 "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:2And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;3And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:4But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.5And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.


consider that prophecy often is telling us about the messiah, it tells us of the importance of His judgement, the inmportance of His words, the importance of His death and resurrection, His eternal reign, His name the son of God, it tells us so much that gives understanding of the things in the gospel, and in the apotles. its why paul used the law and prophets so much when teaching about Jesus

acts 28:23 "And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. <<< pauls ministry

acts 26:Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: 23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.


For a command is a lamp, teaching is a light, and corrective discipline is the way to life.


john 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

 

[miknik5]

I think a huge point of misunderstanding is the differance in the covenant law, the ten commandments (which paul endorses by naminmg a few of them and then saying whatever other commandment there might be are breifly summed up in this one rule " Love thy neighbor as thyself. and the mosaic Law which was always meant to testify against sinners. Paul also talks of being made free of the law of sin that is in us because of adam, through the Law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. which is the gospel.

pauls main opponent in His ministry were jews coming behind Him as the churches were esteblished on the gospel, they would then come and tell the people they needed to be circumsized and adhere to the mosaic Law. so much of what He says, is because of that. if you notice in His arguments its always relating to the festivals and ordinances of the mosaic Law, the mosaic Law is for the unrighteous, thos who live contrary to the 10 commandments which is the Covenant Law given By God written on stone by Gods hand, and then placed into the ark oif the covenant. the book of the Law of mises is far different, its a witness against those sinners. when paul is talking about dying to the law hes talking about the mosaic Law because it did not allow for certain sins to be repented of, such as adultery, cursing your parents, bearing false witness, murder, talking to a siviner or spiritist ect. instead those types of sinners were commanded to be put to death. One person who was the witness of the sin would cast the first stone and then the congregation would all gather round and toss rocks until the person was dead. there was no mercy in the Law of moses.

both the gospel, and the mosaic Law incorporate Gods Law of the ten commandments. the gospel is very opposed in priniciple in every way to the law of moses. Jesus says "forvie the sinner" Moses says condemn the sinner" Jesus says be merciful" Moses says " show no mercy, no pity" Jesus says turn the other cheek" moses says : eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth , life for a life" Jesus says many things like that completely contrary to the mosaic Law, its why they hated Him, the teachers of the Law i mean. On one hand he was doing miracles so they knew he had Power, on the other hand he was not teaching thier Law. he directly contradicts it with His teachings.

Pauls main opposition were the judaizers, he mentions it several times. its the reason that galatians was wroitten, and its also the reason for the gathering of apostles in acts. the mosaic Law had demands that were not Like the gospel, and were infact very contrary to the gospel. almost everything He taught was opposite or different in principle and directive. One is the witness against sinners as God says just before moses Death, then commands moses to write all of the commands of the mosaic Law down in a book and tells them to place it beside the ark, where it will witness against those who sin because its full of the punishments and curses for those who break the covenant law.


its always imoportant to know the old things to really understand what paul is saying, and really all the apostles are making points that needs Knoweldge of the Law, in order to understand the covenant Law, is different than the mosaic Law, and the gospel is different from the mosaic Law in every aspect. Jesus says " not one jot or titlle will disappear from the law until everything is accomplished, and then on the cross He says " it is accomplished" He also explains that " everything written about him in the law had to be accomplished" the mosaic Law is a foreshadow, a prophetic type that points to the messiah and His work, it actually speaks much about Jesus.


yeah the free will thing is absurd to me, but others have thier belief and its thier choce what to believe. God doesnt force anyone to do anything, Hes making an offer of eternal Life. His will is that all people come to repentance, but clearly not all people will come to repentance. if it was His choice everyone would repent and Live upright Lives in His sight and thus be saved and given the inheritance of eternal Life. His will, needs to be accepted by the believer freely because in the very beginning God gave man dominion over the earth and freedom to choose whether to keep His word in the garden and Live.

Gods will was that they not eat the fruit and satan added His will that they do through deception. the tree is the Knowledge of Good and also evil. it proiduces a double nature in man. avident in the first two men born, the first, murders the second. and then just 2 nd a half chapters later, God regrets even making man, because man was corrupt and so full of evil continually. the fruit was devastating to mankind, but free will is what it is, we stil have the free will to either Hear Gods word and believe it because He is God, or to reject it as if He is not God.

Who are you trying to teach?

according to the NEW COVENANT no one will need to

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I think a huge point of misunderstanding is the differance in the covenant law, the ten commandments (which paul endorses by naminmg a few of them and then saying whatever other commandment there might be are breifly summed up in this one rule " Love thy neighbor as thyself. and the mosaic Law which was always meant to testify against sinners. Paul also talks of being made free of the law of sin that is in us because of adam, through the Law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus. which is the gospel.

pauls main opponent in His ministry were jews coming behind Him as the churches were esteblished on the gospel, they would then come and tell the people they needed to be circumsized and adhere to the mosaic Law. so much of what He says, is because of that. if you notice in His arguments its always relating to the festivals and ordinances of the mosaic Law, the mosaic Law is for the unrighteous, thos who live contrary to the 10 commandments which is the Covenant Law given By God written on stone by Gods hand, and then placed into the ark oif the covenant. the book of the Law of mises is far different, its a witness against those sinners. when paul is talking about dying to the law hes talking about the mosaic Law because it did not allow for certain sins to be repented of, such as adultery, cursing your parents, bearing false witness, murder, talking to a siviner or spiritist ect. instead those types of sinners were commanded to be put to death. One person who was the witness of the sin would cast the first stone and then the congregation would all gather round and toss rocks until the person was dead. there was no mercy in the Law of moses.

both the gospel, and the mosaic Law incorporate Gods Law of the ten commandments. the gospel is very opposed in priniciple in every way to the law of moses. Jesus says "forvie the sinner" Moses says condemn the sinner" Jesus says be merciful" Moses says " show no mercy, no pity" Jesus says turn the other cheek" moses says : eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth , life for a life" Jesus says many things like that completely contrary to the mosaic Law, its why they hated Him, the teachers of the Law i mean. On one hand he was doing miracles so they knew he had Power, on the other hand he was not teaching thier Law. he directly contradicts it with His teachings.

Pauls main opposition were the judaizers, he mentions it several times. its the reason that galatians was wroitten, and its also the reason for the gathering of apostles in acts. the mosaic Law had demands that were not Like the gospel, and were infact very contrary to the gospel. almost everything He taught was opposite or different in principle and directive. One is the witness against sinners as God says just before moses Death, then commands moses to write all of the commands of the mosaic Law down in a book and tells them to place it beside the ark, where it will witness against those who sin because its full of the punishments and curses for those who break the covenant law.


its always imoportant to know the old things to really understand what paul is saying, and really all the apostles are making points that needs Knoweldge of the Law, in order to understand the covenant Law, is different than the mosaic Law, and the gospel is different from the mosaic Law in every aspect. Jesus says " not one jot or titlle will disappear from the law until everything is accomplished, and then on the cross He says " it is accomplished" He also explains that " everything written about him in the law had to be accomplished" the mosaic Law is a foreshadow, a prophetic type that points to the messiah and His work, it actually speaks much about Jesus.


yeah the free will thing is absurd to me, but others have thier belief and its thier choce what to believe. God doesnt force anyone to do anything, Hes making an offer of eternal Life. His will is that all people come to repentance, but clearly not all people will come to repentance. if it was His choice everyone would repent and Live upright Lives in His sight and thus be saved and given the inheritance of eternal Life. His will, needs to be accepted by the believer freely because in the very beginning God gave man dominion over the earth and freedom to choose whether to keep His word in the garden and Live.

Gods will was that they not eat the fruit and satan added His will that they do through deception. the tree is the Knowledge of Good and also evil. it proiduces a double nature in man. avident in the first two men born, the first, murders the second. and then just 2 nd a half chapters later, God regrets even making man, because man was corrupt and so full of evil continually. the fruit was devastating to mankind, but free will is what it is, we stil have the free will to either Hear Gods word and believe it because He is God, or to reject it as if He is not God.

The early church only had the OT and eye witnesses to teach from. They was teaching the gospel through the OT and words of Jesus. A reference to Jesus is literally on almost every page of the OT, called the thread of redemption.

My point is the works thar are unholy are the legalistic kind. Working for selfish gain is different than obedience.

My daily devotion today had a nice summary of obedience.

We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.
Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him:
Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

 

[miknik5]

Why don't you wait and stop letting your left hand know what your right hand is doing
do your works not to be seen by men
then your father who sees your works in private will reward you

 

[Roughsoul1991]

The confusion comes in when obedience is confused as legalistic. Obedience comes from faith. Belief that Gods word is true and directed to me, the individual.

The belief is God makes the obedience happen. Taking any responsibility off the follower. If God wanted robots, all would be holy and evil couldn't exist. As long as evil and temptations exist so doea free will.

 

[followjesus]

The early church only had the OT and eye witnesses to teach from. They was teaching the gospel through the OT and words of Jesus. A reference to Jesus is literally on almost every page of the OT, called the thread of redemption.

My point is the works thar are unholy are the legalistic kind. Working for selfish gain is different than obedience.

My daily devotion today had a nice summary of obedience.

We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands.
Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.
But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him:
Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.

they also had the teachings of Jesus

what im saying is, we cant follow the mosaic Law, and the gospel they are contrary.

many of the principles in His word is found in prophecy such as isaiah 58

but the Law was written and finished by Moses, deuteronomy 31:24 (And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,)

then v 26 ""Take this Book of the Law and place it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God. There it will remain as a witness against thee"

just before the death of moses. thats why paul says this

1 timmothy 1:9 "Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,....

because the book of the law is a wtness against those who break the commandments. paul is correct when He says

colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; << the book of the mosaic Law

Now we havebeside the glory of God an advocate for sinners, calling us to repentance through forgiveness.

2 testaments. the old and the new.

2 mediators Moses of the first, made mediator here.exodus 20:19 "And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

and of course we Know Who is the One mediator of the eternal covenant.




isaiah 42:9...Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

isaiah 43:18-19 "Remember ye not the former things, neither consider the things of old.19Behold, I will do a new thing; now it shall spring forth; shall ye not know it? I will even make a way in the wilderness, and rivers in the desert."

 

[followjesus]

The confusion comes in when obedience is confused as legalistic. Obedience comes from faith. Belief that Gods word is true and directed to me, the individual.

The belief is God makes the obedience happen. Taking any responsibility off the follower. If God wanted robots, all would be holy and evil couldn't exist. As long as evil and temptations exist so doea free will.

its the power of His word that creates obedience in us. because we believe it and take it into our Hearts and minds. if He didnt first speak it, we could never obey. the glory is surely Gods.

 

[followjesus]

Who are you trying to teach?

according to the NEW COVENANT no one will need to

lol why are you here if you dont want to discuss? there are tons of grace grace posts, if you are more comfortable there, please feel free

 

[followjesus]

Promise is a promise is a promise

it is

john 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

a promise from one isnt remade by another condition Given by the promiser, is part fo the promise

" if you clean your room ill take you to the carnival"......

" we dont need to clean our rooms, he promised He would take us to the carnival"


Gotta take the word of the only one who is able to make the promise

 

[followjesus]

i think it would help much if we defined faith??????????????? this is what i found:

pistis: faith, faithfulness​

Original Word: πίστις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pistis
Phonetic Spelling: (pis'-tis)
Short Definition: faith, belief, trust
Definition: faith, belief, trust, confidence; fidelity, faithfulness.

Hebrews chapter 11

 

[miknik5]

it is

john 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

a promise from one isnt remade by another condition Given by the promiser, is part fo the promise

" if you clean your room ill take you to the carnival"......

" we dont need to clean our rooms, he promised He would take us to the carnival"


Gotta take the word of the only one who is able to make the promise

Yes wait for THE PROMISE

If you read John 14 through John 17 you'll learn all about it

the promise was to Abraham and "his seed"

not to Noah

 

[followjesus]

​ Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

and ?


I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

 

[miknik5]

do you realize God said hundreds of things Jesus would do and be and mean throughout all of prophecy?? thats not everything, its surely an essential part of the gospel but so is this

isiah 11: 1-5 "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:2And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;3And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:4But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.5And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.


consider that prophecy often is telling us about the messiah, it tells us of the importance of His judgement, the inmportance of His words, the importance of His death and resurrection, His eternal reign, His name the son of God, it tells us so much that gives understanding of the things in the gospel, and in the apotles. its why paul used the law and prophets so much when teaching about Jesus

acts 28:23 "And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. <<< pauls ministry

acts 26:Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come: 23That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.


For a command is a lamp, teaching is a light, and corrective discipline is the way to life.


john 8:51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Don't worry about it

Today GOD speaks to us by HIS SON

 

[followjesus]

Yes wait for THE PROMISE

If you read John 14 through John 17 you'll learn all about it

the promise was to Abraham and "his seed"

not to Noah

Noah was abrams grandfather.....and its actually galatians 3 and a few other places in pauls epistles when he refers to this

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

all were of faith before the law, the law is not of faith and came after noah, abram.....

"And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them." the difference is. we receive the promise and live in the promise, by the faith of Hearing and doing. they did because if they didnt they were crushed for the sake of purging sin. we purge our own sin, by faith in Jesus and His word. huge difference faith v fear

 

[followjesus]

Don't worry about it

Today GOD speaks to us by HIS SON

im not worried about anything friend

hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[mailmandan]

it doesnt matter what noah did before , He was saved by grace when God warned Him,( Genesis 6:8) and was saved by faith because he believed and obeyed God. Genesis 6:22) simple

if God had said "Im going to destroy the earth, buid an ark, and noah didnt believe God, he wouldnt have wasted His time building the ark, and im sure He would have drown with the world. thats the point faith will always produce obedience. not "works" those are of the Law and not by Faith. Noah was from a time before Law, when faith was salvation, Like we are now, theres no law of moses now, we walk by Faith in the word of God, like noah did, like abraham did

hebrews 11:7-8 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

faith is to hear Gods word and obey it, knowing God isnt going to lie or lead astray. do you suppose God said ill build you an ark and place you in it? or dont bother coing anything abram, ill make you the father of many nations?

God has always accomplished His word By speaking it, we have faith because we believe His word is true, and the action can only be to do it because we believe, otherwise it makes us fools. or makes us lacking faith.

there is only salvation by Grace, and through the faith Jesus set forth for us to believe and do. the grace that calls us through the cross, and the faith that believes Him and follows. those who are called have to come to the point of following. Hearing the word is good, doing the word is faith. works of the Law are not of faith, because the mosaic Law is not of faith. they saw Gods presence, they knew He was right there, we walk by faith in what He said, not seeing but we believe His word because He is God. faith was before the Law, and after the Law..

had noah been thinking I already walked with God so im saved, and didnt hear and obey, he survuves until the flood and then dies having no ark. we have been told that Gods wrath is coming on the world, that should motivate the believers to learn from Jesus and take His words to heart. if we do that, the power of God is in them to make new people where the old was lost. all by Faith, but faith grows its not saying obey every tittle now, to a new believer they see " john 3:16 and believe, they then persevere and see the things Jesus taught such as the sermon on the mount, this works in thier conscience to show them, and then later they see " dont Just hear me, do these things.." faith is a growing thing but it only comes through belief in Gods word, and refusing to accept doctrines that teach people to look away from Jesus and the gospel. thats where faith exists

Once again, Noah had already "found grace" (Genesis 6:8), was "a preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5), and "walked with God" BEFORE he built the ark. His obedience was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith and not the origin of it. Noah was already a righteous man because of his faith BEFORE he built the ark. Building the ark was a DEMONSTRATION of his faith (not the origin of it) and saved him and his family (physically) from drowning.

In James 2:21, notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save his soul, but it proved or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the sense in which Abraham was justified by works, "shown to be righteous," not accounted as righteous (Romans 4:2-3).

 

[followjesus]

Yes wait for THE PROMISE

If you read John 14 through John 17 you'll learn all about it

the promise was to Abraham and "his seed"

not to Noah

thois promise?

john 14:15-24 " "If ye love me, keep my commandments.16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
v21.... 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.