The finished work of the cross ?
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Why does JESUS say all that is the FATHER's is mine
this is why I say I will take from what is MINE and give to you
(what is the father's that is also the son's?
why does JESUS say
if you love ME you will obey MY command and I will ask the FATHER and HE will give you another comforter who will be with you forever, even THE SPIRIT of TRUTH.....I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you
(who will come to us? )
this is why I say I will take from what is MINE and give to you
(what is the father's that is also the son's?
why does JESUS say
if you love ME you will obey MY command and I will ask the FATHER and HE will give you another comforter who will be with you forever, even THE SPIRIT of TRUTH.....I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you
(who will come to us? )
Through whose spirit?
Do you believe what HE said in John 8:24
Can HE promise those who believe in HIM that out of their bellies will flow rivers of LIVING WATER
And can HE testify that HE is the giver of this LIVING WATER?
And what is this LIVING WATER?
And what does it mean that this is HE who came not by WATER only?
How many spirits are poured out upon those who believe
Do you believe what HE said in John 8:24
Can HE promise those who believe in HIM that out of their bellies will flow rivers of LIVING WATER
And can HE testify that HE is the giver of this LIVING WATER?
And what is this LIVING WATER?
And what does it mean that this is HE who came not by WATER only?
How many spirits are poured out upon those who believe
The finished work is atonement. Y-shua is the final blood sacrifice for sin. I am sanctified, I am being sanctified, and I will be fully sanctified when I finally get called home to heaven. Y-shua covered past, sins, present sins, future sins. You cannot twice crucify Him… the great Passage in Hebrews.
After 25+ years saved I know I will go to heaven because of the finished work of the cross. After 25+ years saved I know life can be full, when walking in the Lord or can be hard when in rebellion. I will not die (physical death) in my sin because I know Him as my Lord and Savior, my Messiah. But the wages of sin is death and only an idiot would think we can sin, which brings separation from G-d and still walk in the fulness of Him. When I am not obedient I will die, spiritually, mentally, emotionally or physical health.
But that is what being Saved is all about. Disobedience breaks my heart. When you are Saved you want to be more and more like Him. But yet, I am never without sin. I do not get hung up on what was a snare for me 25 years ago, today has its own sins. That is why I’m being sanctified daily. Cannot wait to be called home… I will be fully sanctified in the arm of my Daddy!!! But it all started at the finished work of Y-shua at the Cross my Atonement for my sin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After 25+ years saved I know I will go to heaven because of the finished work of the cross. After 25+ years saved I know life can be full, when walking in the Lord or can be hard when in rebellion. I will not die (physical death) in my sin because I know Him as my Lord and Savior, my Messiah. But the wages of sin is death and only an idiot would think we can sin, which brings separation from G-d and still walk in the fulness of Him. When I am not obedient I will die, spiritually, mentally, emotionally or physical health.
But that is what being Saved is all about. Disobedience breaks my heart. When you are Saved you want to be more and more like Him. But yet, I am never without sin. I do not get hung up on what was a snare for me 25 years ago, today has its own sins. That is why I’m being sanctified daily. Cannot wait to be called home… I will be fully sanctified in the arm of my Daddy!!! But it all started at the finished work of Y-shua at the Cross my Atonement for my sin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Why does JESUS say all that is the FATHER's is mine
this is why I say I will take from what is MINE and give to you"
John 13:3 "Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
john 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
john 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 16:23-24 "And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
"(what is the father's that is also the son's?"
john 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
John 5:21 "For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
(who will come to us? )
John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
this is why I say I will take from what is MINE and give to you"
John 13:3 "Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
john 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
john 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 16:23-24 "And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
"(what is the father's that is also the son's?"
john 3:35 "The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
John 5:21 "For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
(who will come to us? )
John 14:23 "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Hebrews 1:1-2 "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Hebrews 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
matthew 6:14-15 "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Luke 6:37-38 "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Hebrews 9:15 "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
matthew 6:14-15 "For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Luke 6:37-38 "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
What are we described as in Christ?
To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people:
rom 1:7
called to be his holy people
1 Cor 2:1
together with all his holy people
2 cor 1:1
And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
Eph 3:18-19
Now we in this world are not born Holy, but born sinners.
When we come to know who Christ is and what the cross means, still we are sinners.
so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God
col 1:10
So even having faith in who Jesus is does not change or transform us into people capable
of living a life worthy of the Lord.
Sinner => Saint
This is the walk of sanctification which has tested the hearts and minds of commited followers
of Jesus through the centuries.
Jesus's answer is simple. So simple people miss it all the time. They often walk in unbelief showing
their defeats define what truth is rather than humbling, repenting and walking on.
If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
John 15:7
Christ is embedded in His words and His words call for obedience, and listening to our
hearts as they respond in obedience. It is cleansing our hearts, straightening our paths,
learning what these realities of life actually mean that we become the Children of God.
Our walk is sinful because we do not let Christ dwell in our hearts, we resist, we put things
there instead of Him and the glories of His grace.
If Christs words are a burden ask why? Ask how they are a burden, what in your resists them
why do you deny their meaning and let the world dominate or your worldly dreams come to the
fore.
"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God"
Matt 5:8
Until you find purity in heart, it will always appear as a maze or impossible.
The passions of this world and the flesh will always distort and desire revenge, "I will show them"
"I am a big person, I will have *****", "I want them to envy me"
We have a treasure within, that is our life in Christ. Dwell in this and know His blessing in love.
When you dwell here everything else begins to fall into place. Nothing else matters except the
glory of this King who we follow. All good works are gifts of love that stand in eternity, like burning
acts of grace, never to be diminished or put out. In Christ you are Christ to the world.
To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people:
rom 1:7
called to be his holy people
1 Cor 2:1
together with all his holy people
2 cor 1:1
And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.
Eph 3:18-19
Now we in this world are not born Holy, but born sinners.
When we come to know who Christ is and what the cross means, still we are sinners.
so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God
col 1:10
So even having faith in who Jesus is does not change or transform us into people capable
of living a life worthy of the Lord.
Sinner => Saint
This is the walk of sanctification which has tested the hearts and minds of commited followers
of Jesus through the centuries.
Jesus's answer is simple. So simple people miss it all the time. They often walk in unbelief showing
their defeats define what truth is rather than humbling, repenting and walking on.
If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
John 15:7
Christ is embedded in His words and His words call for obedience, and listening to our
hearts as they respond in obedience. It is cleansing our hearts, straightening our paths,
learning what these realities of life actually mean that we become the Children of God.
Our walk is sinful because we do not let Christ dwell in our hearts, we resist, we put things
there instead of Him and the glories of His grace.
If Christs words are a burden ask why? Ask how they are a burden, what in your resists them
why do you deny their meaning and let the world dominate or your worldly dreams come to the
fore.
"Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God"
Matt 5:8
Until you find purity in heart, it will always appear as a maze or impossible.
The passions of this world and the flesh will always distort and desire revenge, "I will show them"
"I am a big person, I will have *****", "I want them to envy me"
We have a treasure within, that is our life in Christ. Dwell in this and know His blessing in love.
When you dwell here everything else begins to fall into place. Nothing else matters except the
glory of this King who we follow. All good works are gifts of love that stand in eternity, like burning
acts of grace, never to be diminished or put out. In Christ you are Christ to the world.
Are you implying that the gospel is not the good news of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is not the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES..? (Romans 1:16)
DESCRIPTIVE passage of Scripture. Believers do not keep the sayings of Jesus in order to become saved, but BECAUSE they are saved. *Notice in 1 John 2:3 - Now by this we know that we know Him, IF (demonstrative evidence) we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. BTY the word, "keep" comes from the Greek word "tereo" (Strong's #5083) and means to keep, to guard, to watch over, preserve. It doesn't mean sinless perfect obedience to all of Christ's commandments 100% of the time. Keeping His commandments is descriptive of a genuine believer (Christian).
If we continue in His word, then we demonstrate that we are TRULY His disciples and only genuine believers know the truth and have been made free.
*Notice in John 8:31-39 (where the Jews who were said to have "believed on him" turn out to be:
slaves to sin [v. 34]
indifferent to Jesus’ word [v. 37]
children of the devil [v. 44]
liars [v. 55]
guilty of setting out to stone the one they have professed to believe in (v. 59).
After Jesus’ teaching we read in 6:60 that "many of his disciples said, "This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?" These are the very so called "disciples" who Jesus says "do not believe" (John 6:64). They also walked with Him no more. They did not continue. If we continue in His word, then we demonstrate that we are TRULY His disciples (John 8:31). Those who fail to continue in His word demonstrate that they are NOT TRULY His disciples.
How does one become a servant of obedience unto righteousness? By faith or by works?
We must first obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16; 1:16) in order to become righteous.
*Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
*Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.
There are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants of sin unto death, or servants of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness." Don't ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" (Romans 6:16) and simply stress "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience which follow faith are unto righteousness, as if we are saved by works. Salvation by works continues to be your stumbling block.
Before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"
*Notice 1 Peter 1:22 - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by FAITH." "Obeying the gospel" and "obeying that form of doctrine" in these passages is really a synonym for BELIEVING the gospel. Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."
I see two camps. 1. "Those who transgress and do not abide in the doctrine of Christ do not have God" (NEVER DID) and 2. "those who abide in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son."
John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. If we have not done His will in order to become saved, then setting out to do His will for believers after we have been saved is futile. The natural man is spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:14).
Salvation by works is the epitome of pride.
DESCRIPTIVE of genuine believers.
DESCRIPTIVE passage of Scripture. Believers do not keep the sayings of Jesus in order to become saved, but BECAUSE they are saved. *Notice in 1 John 2:3 - Now by this we know that we know Him, IF (demonstrative evidence) we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. BTY the word, "keep" comes from the Greek word "tereo" (Strong's #5083) and means to keep, to guard, to watch over, preserve. It doesn't mean sinless perfect obedience to all of Christ's commandments 100% of the time. Keeping His commandments is descriptive of a genuine believer (Christian).
If we continue in His word, then we demonstrate that we are TRULY His disciples and only genuine believers know the truth and have been made free.
*Notice in John 8:31-39 (where the Jews who were said to have "believed on him" turn out to be:
slaves to sin [v. 34]
indifferent to Jesus’ word [v. 37]
children of the devil [v. 44]
liars [v. 55]
guilty of setting out to stone the one they have professed to believe in (v. 59).
After Jesus’ teaching we read in 6:60 that "many of his disciples said, "This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?" These are the very so called "disciples" who Jesus says "do not believe" (John 6:64). They also walked with Him no more. They did not continue. If we continue in His word, then we demonstrate that we are TRULY His disciples (John 8:31). Those who fail to continue in His word demonstrate that they are NOT TRULY His disciples.
How does one become a servant of obedience unto righteousness? By faith or by works?
We must first obey the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 10:16; 1:16) in order to become righteous.
*Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..
*Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.
There are only two kinds of servants in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants of sin unto death, or servants of obedience unto righteousness. When we place our faith exclusively in Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness." Don't ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" (Romans 6:16) and simply stress "obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience which follow faith are unto righteousness, as if we are saved by works. Salvation by works continues to be your stumbling block.
Before they obeyed that form of doctrine by choosing to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16), they had been slaves to sin. Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our report?"
*Notice 1 Peter 1:22 - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth" and notice in Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by FAITH." "Obeying the gospel" and "obeying that form of doctrine" in these passages is really a synonym for BELIEVING the gospel. Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."
I see two camps. 1. "Those who transgress and do not abide in the doctrine of Christ do not have God" (NEVER DID) and 2. "those who abide in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son."
John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. If we have not done His will in order to become saved, then setting out to do His will for believers after we have been saved is futile. The natural man is spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:14).
Salvation by works is the epitome of pride.
DESCRIPTIVE of genuine believers.
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oh come on now
husband and wife are called one and have 2 separate bodies
marriage is given as an example of the relationship and called a mystery
let's not be dorks here LOL!
31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
Eph. 5
husband and wife are called one and have 2 separate bodies
marriage is given as an example of the relationship and called a mystery
let's not be dorks here LOL!
31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
Eph. 5
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I can't find where you agree or disagree
that's a lotta words
I guess you saying that you will 'stay' with what He said , is some kind of subjective proof that your soapbox is a little higher
I have no clue what you mean by 'without faith'. EVERYONE who believes has faith because you cannot believe without it
and faith comes from God
would be nice if you actually addressed what I posted since you went to the trouble of quoting me
that's a lotta words
I guess you saying that you will 'stay' with what He said , is some kind of subjective proof that your soapbox is a little higher
I have no clue what you mean by 'without faith'. EVERYONE who believes has faith because you cannot believe without it
and faith comes from God
would be nice if you actually addressed what I posted since you went to the trouble of quoting me
oh come on now
husband and wife are called one and have 2 separate bodies
marriage is given as an example of the relationship and called a mystery
let's not be dorks here LOL!
31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
Eph. 5
husband and wife are called one and have 2 separate bodies
marriage is given as an example of the relationship and called a mystery
let's not be dorks here LOL!
31 For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.
Eph. 5
they are ONE
And the father is marrying children of this world in HIS SON who will present back to his FATHER HIS BRIDE
Let us not be dorks here
Out of Adam came Eve.
And the division began
because
even as we wete supposed to be in the likeness of our Heavenly Father, Adam, who brought forth from hisboen flesh, eve couldn't even ensure that she would be in his likeness
let alone GOD's
what was taken out of the one man adam and brought forth of perishable seed is being reborn of and put back into the ONE BODY of CHRIST, a new creation IN HIM born of and brought forth of IMPERISHABLE SEED for ETERNAL LIFE
all will die in this world
but not all will suffer the second death
Are you implying that the gospel is not the good news of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is not the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES..? (Romans 1:16)
im not implying anything im saying thats part of it sure. Just equally as much as the teachings and commands of Jesus Christ. the gospel starts when Jesus is born, ends when He is taken up to Heaven, and is spread by His apostles. but its not an implication its what Jesus Christ says I just choose to believe My Lord and savior. so maybe Jesus is implying something that you dont agree with but naw im just saying clearly the gospel is found from the beginning of matthew and continues until the end of John. everything in it. the death and resurrection included. Just dont omit the rest is the difference, i dont ignore Gods word, because paul wrote epistles back to the churches already established to correct sertain beliefs.
right lol that describes a genuine believer that they obey the commandments of Jesus and recieve the Holy spirit, you got that correct. would you say that a believer needs to be genuine ? i would think its just what it is. if you admit that describes a genuine believer whats the issue or difference? there isnt one shouldnt we all be genuine believers? so we have genuine salvation? i would conclude that we probably should Just accept the gospel, founf from matthew 1:1 - the last verse in John. the 4 accounts of the gospel. and simply Believe Jesus pretty simple rather than saying " thats the essence of" or " thats descriptive of" it seems maybe you think to say something one way , and then say ot a different way changes the meaning or something im not sure.
Yeah i never menton "salvation by works" thats Just a phrase the gog believers use whn someone says whats in the gospel Like " Jesus said we need to obey Him" then ....": thats salvation by works" comes never from me, but like i said from those who learn the gog from current day "authors selling books" gotta make them appealing to the world in order to sell them....so yeah i dont even mention salvation by works its more the gog crowd phrase. Im a gopel of the Kingdom of God believer. not a grace revolution believer. big difference.
i choose to believe Jesus, the gog chooses to explain why He was wrong about salvation or why it doesnt apply to christians. One is Life according to Jesus, the other is the way accoprding to the serpent, i choose Jesus, always have and will. ive often noticed you guys really are more critics and explain why scripture is just way off, rather than talking aboutthe scriptures. so its hard to discuss with those of the gog for me, 2 different faiths.
I woulkd just encourage you guys to go to the 4 gospels and see if the gog teaches anything even similar, and make sure to believe it all and remember its the Word of God, coming from Jesus the savior, His Only begotten. or if you believe "Jesus is God" thats even more of a reason to believe and acceot His words. He teaches pretty straight forward about His Kingdom and salvation and all. you wiull find that Paul, woasnt making uo His own Gospel, was simply spreading the 4 gospels. thats why there is so much to make clear about repentance and living upright Lives doing good works.
I recently noticed some try to make being born again not a part of the gospel as well....that could be the issue. Gotts be born again, thats what pauls talking about with " new creation" being born again happens How Jesus said is does......id first leanr the gospel and then go to pauls words. His epistles werent what founded any churches, He sent those back to churches founded on the gospel, and then was correcting things they were doing and believing wrong. its not a good idea to try to be saved by only pauls words cant understand them until the gospel is accepted. then they are pretty clear and youll realize how essential Jesus words are.
im not implying anything im saying thats part of it sure. Just equally as much as the teachings and commands of Jesus Christ. the gospel starts when Jesus is born, ends when He is taken up to Heaven, and is spread by His apostles. but its not an implication its what Jesus Christ says
I just choose to believe My Lord and savior. so maybe Jesus is implying something that you dont agree with but naw im just saying clearly the gospel is found from the beginning of matthew and continues until the end of John. everything in it. the death and resurrection included. Just dont omit the rest is the difference, i dont ignore Gods word, because paul wrote epistles back to the churches already established to correct sertain beliefs.right lol that describes a genuine believer that they obey the commandments of Jesus and recieve the Holy spirit, you got that correct. would you say that a believer needs to be genuine ? i would think its just what it is. if you admit that describes a genuine believer whats the issue or difference? there isnt one shouldnt we all be genuine believers? so we have genuine salvation? i would conclude that we probably should Just accept the gospel, founf from matthew 1:1 - the last verse in John. the 4 accounts of the gospel. and simply Believe Jesus pretty simple rather than saying " thats the essence of" or " thats descriptive of" it seems maybe you think to say something one way , and then say ot a different way changes the meaning or something im not sure.
Yeah i never menton "salvation by works" thats Just a phrase the gog believers use whn someone says whats in the gospel Like " Jesus said we need to obey Him" then ....": thats salvation by works" comes never from me, but like i said from those who learn the gog from current day "authors selling books" gotta make them appealing to the world in order to sell them....so yeah i dont even mention salvation by works its more the gog crowd phrase. Im a gopel of the Kingdom of God believer. not a grace revolution believer. big difference.
i choose to believe Jesus, the gog chooses to explain why He was wrong about salvation or why it doesnt apply to christians. One is Life according to Jesus, the other is the way accoprding to the serpent, i choose Jesus, always have and will. ive often noticed you guys really are more critics and explain why scripture is just way off, rather than talking aboutthe scriptures. so its hard to discuss with those of the gog for me, 2 different faiths.
I woulkd just encourage you guys to go to the 4 gospels and see if the gog teaches anything even similar, and make sure to believe it all and remember its the Word of God, coming from Jesus the savior, His Only begotten. or if you believe "Jesus is God" thats even more of a reason to believe and acceot His words. He teaches pretty straight forward about His Kingdom and salvation and all. you wiull find that Paul, woasnt making uo His own Gospel, was simply spreading the 4 gospels. thats why there is so much to make clear about repentance and living upright Lives doing good works.
I recently noticed some try to make being born again not a part of the gospel as well....that could be the issue. Gotts be born again, thats what pauls talking about with " new creation" being born again happens How Jesus said is does......id first leanr the gospel and then go to pauls words. His epistles werent what founded any churches, He sent those back to churches founded on the gospel, and then was correcting things they were doing and believing wrong. its not a good idea to try to be saved by only pauls words cant understand them until the gospel is accepted. then they are pretty clear and youll realize how essential Jesus words are.
you dpnt believe God sends the Holy spirit into His Believers ? anyone who submits to Jesus receives the Holy spirit. God isnt limited to one place His spirit is all throughout the world, anyone who goes to the gospel will then realize How to receive His spirit.......as soon as He was seated at Gods right Hand He sent the spirit. read acts 2 carefully. God bless
When Jesus said "It is finished" and went to sleep, I believe His most direct reference was being spoken to the Father that He had accomplished all He was sent to do without fail, also refering to His prayer about alowwing the cup to pass from Him were it the will of the Father. Of course it was the will of the Father for Him to drink the cup.
This said, Jesus Christ is our Example. He was chided for working on the Sabbath, to which He replied His Father was working therefore He must work also for He always did what the Father did.
Jesus is our Example, although I do maintain the Seventh Day as the true seventh day, I can do anything that is good any day of the week as long as it honors God.
The reason I add this Biblical teaching to the "It is Finished" title is so the family keeps in mind we have not finished if we are following the Example of Christ, for He has yet to returne with justice in His Hand.. Until then, we have all God gives us to do until the King comes to reign......otherwise we are attempting to reign without the King present.
Praise God; He is worthy, not us........amen.
This said, Jesus Christ is our Example. He was chided for working on the Sabbath, to which He replied His Father was working therefore He must work also for He always did what the Father did.
Jesus is our Example, although I do maintain the Seventh Day as the true seventh day, I can do anything that is good any day of the week as long as it honors God.
The reason I add this Biblical teaching to the "It is Finished" title is so the family keeps in mind we have not finished if we are following the Example of Christ, for He has yet to returne with justice in His Hand.. Until then, we have all God gives us to do until the King comes to reign......otherwise we are attempting to reign without the King present.
Praise God; He is worthy, not us........amen.