Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, read this and decide

[miknik5]

At that time there was a total war in the heavens...Satans army against the army of God. Adam and Eve were sequestered in the Garden. They didn't even know there was a war going on, but Satan came in,in the form of a serpent and tempted Eve, deceived her. The fallen ones are known as the gods. And they were kind of gods...You know many of them from mytology. Zeus, Hercules and the rest. There were others of course Ameruca the winged flying serpent, dragons and the giants at large. They knew of good and evil....God did not want Adam and Eve or the rest of us humans knowing that. He wanted us pure and holy like Him. Then Adam chose to eat, I think, just to keep is girlfriend, and also out of curiosity maybe. Then the knowledge was out, and Adam knew good and evil. Like the demonic gods. And there's the operative words.. "LIKE gods" Being like gods is not being gods.

Don't you already know why there was war in heaven?

and that also is a loe what you have said regarding Satan's access into the garden

adam was sequestered in the garden??? and Satan only had access to the garden after he was cast out of Heaven?



Who did you think was the covering angel mentioned in Ezekiel 28 who walked amongst the fiery stones in the garden of GOD?

and what did you think Satan was supposed to cover

(until the fullness of time would come?)

 

[miknik5]

Satan didn't want to cover
And he didn't want to give the GLORY to the ONE who would be OUR COVER

 

[bluto]

That's Mister Boy to you Sir. LOL
As I've pointed out to you before, Sir, The apostle Paul was acting under the leading of the Holy Spirit when he named names. You are not. So I'll ask you....Who appointed YOU judge? Who told YOU to name names? Who told you that these men are wrong, and you are so so right? Why would God, in the Word, tell us how to handle false teaching one way, while telling YOU to handle it differently? Who told YOU that you are so much holier than them? I'm not protecting anybody. I'm telling you that you are walking in total disobedience to the Word. Get it together man! If you're going to preach it, then you must live it!

Wait a minute here? How do you know that I am not under the influcence of the Holy Spirit? Every born again believe has the Holy Spirit residing in them. In fact Jesus said the following: "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and WE will come to him, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM." John 15:23. You can also read Colossians 1:27 or even Revelation 3:20. Tell me something? Does the Holy Spirit live in you? If He does please tell me how you know mr. boy?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Denadii]

Don't you already know why there was war in heaven?

and that also is a loe what you have said regarding Satan's access into the garden

adam was sequestered in the garden??? and Satan only had access to the garden after he was cast out of Heaven?



Who did you think was the covering angel mentioned in Ezekiel 28 who walked amongst the fiery stones in the garden of GOD?

and what did you think Satan was supposed to cover

(until the fullness of time would come?)

The angel mentioned there in Ezekiel was Satan. One of his names is 'king of Tyrus' He was anointed a covering cherub but it does NOT say he covered anything in the garden. The book does say he WAS in the garden though. Why would you say he was not?

What is a loe anyway? Satan had access to the garden from the start. Where does the bible say he had no access until after the fall? He fell when sin was found in him. Look what the Word says....You were in the garden, then it says ...three verses later....I will cast you out. So you loes when you said Satan could not be there. Or were you trying to say that I said Satan had no access until after the fall? Your writing is so incoherent at times I feel I need a translation program to understand what you say But it was not me that said Satan had no access until after the fall.

 

[MattforJesus]

Eze 28:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
Eze 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:
Eze 28:3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee.

Eze 28:11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

This is about Satan for he was made perfect in his ways,until iniquity was found in him.Satan greatly influenced Tyrus,and the king.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isa 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Satan will greatly influence the beast kingdom,with the Babylonian spirit,in the future.

 

[bluto]

Wow notfollowingjesus, you really don't know the answer to what you said here as to how the Father is greater that Jesus? (John 14:28). "how is it that Jesus said that The Father is greater than I? is that Jesus saying im equal to God? or is it really not deniable that He sais " my Father is Greater than I? the reason I believe the way i do, is because Jesus made very clear the truth , that He is Gods Only Son, and that He has a God who id Our God and Father. His words will never change"

It "DOES NOT" mean the Son is inferior to the Father. Your problem is you do not know how to reconcile verses that "APPEAR" to be contradictions. If you would read Philippians 2:6 where it points out that in His preincarnate existence Jesus "thought it not robbery to be equal with God." This means that in the Incarnation Jesus deliberately or voluntarily subordinated Himself to become in man. So naturally as a man God the Father would be greater than Him.

And please notice at vs6, the following: "who, ALTHOUGH He/Jesus existed in the form of God emptied Himself and took on the form of a man. That word "although" means, "in spite of the fact" that Jesus Christ was God He lowered Himself and took the from of a servant. Jesus did not loose His deity or He did not loose His attributes that go along with His deity. God cannot become not God. This is not hard to understand if you would read your Bible. So tell me where I'm wrong?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[graceNpeace]

The divinity of Jesus:

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Ex 3:14

In Exodus chapter 3 God introduces Himself to Moses.
Henceforth, the Israelites, and the Jews of the future understood this to be the primary name by which God had identified Himself. Read the whole chapter to get the full context.

Now, lets go to John chapter 8. Here Jesus is confronted by Pharisees and scribes in the temple court while teaching. A woman, apparently caught in adultery is presented and the Pharisees demand to know whether Jesus will condemn her according to the Law of Moses. Jesus turns the tables on them in a very simple way by suggesting that those who are sinless should cast the first stone.
With that situation dealt with Jesus utters these words:

12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” John 8:12

The Pharisees immediately challenge His right to bear witness to Himself:

13 The Pharisees therefore said to Him, “You bear witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true.” John 8:13

A long dialogue ensues were Jesus outlines who He is as well as the misconceptions that the Pharisees have about their relationship with God.
Eventually Jesus explicitly states who He is in God with the explosive statement uttered in John 8:58

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58

This is a direct and totally unambiguous claim to divinity.
Refer back to Exodus 3:14.
The fact that all the Jews present understand this claim is evident in their response:

59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[n] going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:59

It was precisely because those Jews present did not believe the claim that Jesus made that they wanted to stone Him.
However, any argument that those Jews did not understand what Jesus was claiming is false.
If they did not understand what He was saying they would not have attempted to stone Him.
They KNEW that Jesus was claiming to be God!
There is no wriggling out of this.

The only question to be answered is this:
Was Jesus a nutcase for claiming to be God....
Or was Jesus exactly what He said He was?

 

[followjesus]

LOL See what I mean? Their reasoning is democrat. Its not logic, it's not honest its all made up fairy tales. FJ I am in total agreement with you. I really don't know why, or how someone can sit there, and tell God what He means when He says something. They want to change the Word to fit their garbled thinking.

yeah its not logic we are to understand by, it is the spirit imparted through and only through Jesus word, the gospel.

its why people reject others when they hold to the gospel as Jesus spoke it forth as He was sent to do. they are trying to go through Paul to find salvation and see in the mind that paul somehoe preached a different gospel that did Jesus Christ. the issue with that is they also omit anything paul said about reopentance from sinful actions such as galatians and ephesians 5. because they will only acceot what thier pastor explains rather than what the good teacher makes plain.

its why rather than ever answer questions based directly on scriptiure, not a single verse plucked from context, but whats actually being said, they will twist and change the persons words and then later explain to each other what : the other person said" just in order really to avoid the truth of things. thier trying to only look at verses they agree with prior, and it causes omission of the context of whats actually being communicated by the Word of God. too much time in the gog books and watching television pastors telling them thier apostate teachings that deny all the truth. in the Word of God 100 different reasons to explain why this or that doesnt really mean anything. its always from opinion and never from scripture that is just what it is.

its Just false doctrine, thats why the bible warns and warns and warns about keeping belief right, and not straying from what is written in Gods Word. it causes them and also spreads to others because a made up doctrine, appeals way more to the flesh nature than the real doctrine that brings change and requires us to actually Love God His way. and means we cant continue living after things like money, lust, pride ect and all the nmany things contrary in human nature to Gods will.


its not a suprise to me, ive seen false doctrines for years. the gog is a terrible one the way it causes one to completely omit the Gospel and calls it a different gospel that Has nothing to do with the gospel as recorded in matthew , mark, luke and john. like some do with opaul they will pluck only what Jesus said such as " the work of God is this, to believe in the One he has sent" but then when Jesus says " Obey my commands and I will ask the father, and He will send the holy spirit to you. all the sudden the One God sent......isnt to be believed anymore, theyll go find anoither place to receive the " spirit" without the Words so plain.

the Bible comes down to the message of Gods only Son bieng sent from God into the world to teach thopse who would believe the ways of Gods children, then sufering and dying to remove our already condemned sinful lives and circumsize our hearts through His word . it either results in Obedience to Jesus, or it doesnt Grace is for those who are willing to lay down thier selves because Jesus did that for us.

 

[miknik5]

At that time there was a total war in the heavens...Satans army against the army of God.

Adam and Eve were sequestered in the Garden.

They didn't even know there was a war going on, but Satan came in,in the form of a serpent and tempted Eve, deceived her. The fallen ones are known as the gods. And they were kind of gods...You know many of them from mytology. Zeus, Hercules and the rest. There were others of course Ameruca the winged flying serpent, dragons and the giants at large. They knew of good and evil....God did not want Adam and Eve or the rest of us humans knowing that. He wanted us pure and holy like Him. Then Adam chose to eat, I think, just to keep is girlfriend, and also out of curiosity maybe. Then the knowledge was out, and Adam knew good and evil. Like the demonic gods. And there's the operative words.. "LIKE gods" Being like gods is not being gods.

Don't you already know why there was war in heaven?

and that also is a lie what you have said regarding Satan's access into the garden

adam was sequestered in the garden??? and Satan only had access to the garden after he was cast out of Heaven?



Who did you think was the covering angel mentioned in Ezekiel 28 who walked amongst the fiery stones in the garden of GOD?

and what did you think Satan was supposed to cover

(until the fullness of time would come?)

Satan didn't want to cover
And he didn't want to give the GLORY to the ONE who would be OUR COVER

What does sequestered mean?
It means isolated...separated...kept apart from

i have bolded your words
Please review them
and please explain how Adam and Eve were sequestered when Ezekiel 28 clearly states that he was a covering cherub on the garden, how can you "lie" and suggest that somehow Satan wasn't already given access to all things if he was freely walking in the garden as a covering angel UNTIL (please take note of that word) iniquity was found in him

 

[miknik5]

Adam and Eve were not sequestered in the garden
Satan had access before the war in heaven

he was supposed to be a covering angel in the garden
that was supposed to be a good work

he clearly did not do what he was supposed to do
instead he clearly did an evil work

 

[followjesus]

The divinity of Jesus:

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Ex 3:14

In Exodus chapter 3 God introduces Himself to Moses.
Henceforth, the Israelites, and the Jews of the future understood this to be the primary name by which God had identified Himself. Read the whole chapter to get the full context.

Now, lets go to John chapter 8. Here Jesus is confronted by Pharisees and scribes in the temple court while teaching. A woman, apparently caught in adultery is presented and the Pharisees demand to know whether Jesus will condemn her according to the Law of Moses. Jesus turns the tables on them in a very simple way by suggesting that those who are sinless should cast the first stone.
With that situation dealt with Jesus utters these words:

12 Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.” John 8:12

The Pharisees immediately challenge His right to bear witness to Himself:

13 The Pharisees therefore said to Him, “You bear witness of Yourself; Your witness is not true.” John 8:13

A long dialogue ensues were Jesus outlines who He is as well as the misconceptions that the Pharisees have about their relationship with God.
Eventually Jesus explicitly states who He is in God with the explosive statement uttered in John 8:58

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58

This is a direct and totally unambiguous claim to divinity.
Refer back to Exodus 3:14.
The fact that all the Jews present understand this claim is evident in their response:

59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[n] going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:59

It was precisely because those Jews present did not believe the claim that Jesus made that they wanted to stone Him.
However, any argument that those Jews did not understand what Jesus was claiming is false.
If they did not understand what He was saying they would not have attempted to stone Him.
They KNEW that Jesus was claiming to be God!
There is no wriggling out of this.

The only question to be answered is this:
Was Jesus a nutcase for claiming to be God....
Or was Jesus exactly what He said He was?

your thing is to try to piece it all together Jesus was before abraham. He never claimed to be God, His claim was to be Gods Son. the same claim that God spoke from Heaven and said " this is My Son in whom i am well pleased" <<<is God lying or maybe is it you that is trying to reject what He said?

its funny that " Jesus is the Son of God, the Christ" appearsover and over and over, yet " Jesus is God" doesnt appear once in scripture......that comes from catholic theology and the gog teachers explaining " Jesus Had to be God or were not forgiven "

all those scruiptures there have a context, your stringing them together and it still doesnt say Jesus is God. theres a reason no one including Jesus ever Said " Jesus is God" in all of scripture, you may want to just accept that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. but thats up to you. Heres the context that Jesus was Before abraham


john 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

abraham was born after the flood.....Jesus was Gods Son before the creation of the World. I know this Because its What Jesus says, i dont need to string anything together al through the gospel He is saying " I am the Son of God God is My Father, He is living in me"

JOHN 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.<< Jesus words

you : Jesus is equal to God, He is God........

I choose to Believe Jesus.

im sure others may want to Hear your interpretation and insistance that you know something, i am completely satisfied with whats in the Gospel of Gods Beloved Son. in fact the Only verse i ever needed to know for sure who Jesus is is this one

matthew 17:5 "While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.


from that point on i understood Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, as the Jews rejected, so i believe. God said it, thats sufficient for me.

 

[graceNpeace]

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Ex 3:14

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58

God identifies Himself as "I AM", Jesus identifies Himself as "I AM".
The Jews want to kill Him for blasphemy:

59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[n] going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:59

I say again:
Either Jesus was a conman, a loon, or He was who He said He was - God!

 

[followjesus]

Wow notfollowingjesus, you really don't know the answer to what you said here as to how the Father is greater that Jesus? (John 14:28). "how is it that Jesus said that The Father is greater than I? is that Jesus saying im equal to God? or is it really not deniable that He sais " my Father is Greater than I? the reason I believe the way i do, is because Jesus made very clear the truth , that He is Gods Only Son, and that He has a God who id Our God and Father. His words will never change"

It "DOES NOT" mean the Son is inferior to the Father. Your problem is you do not know how to reconcile verses that "APPEAR" to be contradictions. If you would read Philippians 2:6 where it points out that in His preincarnate existence Jesus "thought it not robbery to be equal with God." This means that in the Incarnation Jesus deliberately or voluntarily subordinated Himself to become in man. So naturally as a man God the Father would be greater than Him.

And please notice at vs6, the following: "who, ALTHOUGH He/Jesus existed in the form of God emptied Himself and took on the form of a man. That word "although" means, "in spite of the fact" that Jesus Christ was God He lowered Himself and took the from of a servant. Jesus did not loose His deity or He did not loose His attributes that go along with His deity. God cannot become not God. This is not hard to understand if you would read your Bible. So tell me where I'm wrong?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Only in a bizarre and childish realm is this a statement of equality to God

john 14:28 "ave heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

you should forget what you think you Know and Learn the gospel and also apparently learn the deifinition of " My Father is Greater than I" that is what it is, Jesus refuting your idea that He claimed to be equal to God.

this clearly again refutes your thinking that Jesus is God

john 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus is clearly acknowledging He has a God you may want to Take His word for it.

Or maybe Gods Word

matthew 17:5 "While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

rather than re assessing what you think, maybe believe the Word of God. you live in a prideful realm friend. might want to look at your self to realize what you are arguing against

john 3:16-18 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God and he isnt attempting to confuse anyone when He acknowledges that God is Greater than Himself after all there is a commandment saying " Honor your Father"

 

[Denadii]

What does sequestered mean?
It means isolated...separated...kept apart from

i have bolded your words
Please review them
and please explain how Adam and Eve were sequestered when Ezekiel 28 clearly states that he was a covering cherub on the garden, how can you "lie" and suggest that somehow Satan wasn't already given access to all things if he was freely walking in the garden as a covering angel UNTIL (please take note of that word) iniquity was found in him

I do! I do know why there was a war in heaven. And now I'm a liar? Go throw up! You see? You can't read. I knew it all along. What does sequester mean? Look it up in the dictionary. Oh I forgot. You can't read. I know this because you reversed everything I wrote in answer to your post. Maybe you can read buy you're majorly dyslexic? Oh All right then.

So....If I reverse everything you say, then you might be right.

 

[followjesus]

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Ex 3:14

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58

God identifies Himself as "I AM", Jesus identifies Himself as "I AM".
The Jews want to kill Him for blasphemy:

59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[n] going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:59

I say again:
Either Jesus was a conman, a loon, or He was who He said He was - God!

ughhh.......well i hope that works for you, im good with what ive said from the beginning of this op, Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God, God is His God and His father.

you guys have bizarre ways of ignoring things and coming up with wierd logic that isnt needed if you wouls simply Believe Jesus, and Believe His Father.

im pretty convinced you didnt even read the op to begin with and you have no answers to anything ive asked you, you simply make UP logic and stick to your idea. im not that way, i believe The Bible is the Word of God.

you can say Jesus is a con man, youll never hear that coming from Me about My Lord, it wouldnt Pleas His Father, and mine, the One true and Only God.

 

[followjesus]

I do! I do know why there was a war in heaven. And now I'm a liar? Go throw up! You see? You can't read. I knew it all along. What does sequester mean? Look it up in the dictionary. Oh I forgot. You can't read. I know this because you reversed everything I wrote in answer to your post. Maybe you can read buy you're majorly dyslexic? Oh All right then.

So....If I reverse everything you say, then you might be right.

isaiah 14:12-How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

and Jesus sais......John 14:28....Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

 

[Denadii]

14 And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Ex 3:14

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58

God identifies Himself as "I AM", Jesus identifies Himself as "I AM".
The Jews want to kill Him for blasphemy:

59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple,[n] going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:59

I say again:
Either Jesus was a conman, a loon, or He was who He said He was - God!

As a matter of fact GnP God told Moses I AM THAT I AM He didn't say I AM WHO I AM Big difference bro. For me to say I am who I am is just fine. I am me. But look at it. God said I am that I am....Wow! Do you need healing? That's the I Am that I Am! Do you need deliverance? That's the I Am that I Am. How about comfort? That's the I Am that I Am. Whatever you have need of GnP That's the I Am that He Am How cool is that?

 

[miknik5]

I do! I do know why there was a war in heaven. And now I'm a liar? Go throw up! You see? You can't read. I knew it all along. What does sequester mean? Look it up in the dictionary. Oh I forgot. You can't read. I know this because you reversed everything I wrote in answer to your post. Maybe you can read buy you're majorly dyslexic? Oh All right then.

So....If I reverse everything you say, then you might be right.

Go ahead
do what you want
i have no control over you

 

[Denadii]

Go ahead
do what you want
i have no control over you

So why would you accuse me of lying? Why did you reverse everything I told you?

 

[graceNpeace]

...you can say Jesus is a con man, ...

I don't say that Jesus was a conman - I say, as He explains, Himself, in the Scriptures I have quoted, that He is GOD!

I am not making up anything - the fiction is strictly your department.

I can tell that you don't like the logic (logic isn't actually logic unless it is logic), and it is VERY clear that this is NOT the way that you believe.

The title "Son of God" is also actually a claim to divinity - but you have never got that.
What about "Son of Man"?
Jesus often refers to Himself as the "Son of Man".
That is also a claim to divinity but I guess you never got that either!

You quoted John 17:5:

5 [FONT=&quot]And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, [/FONT][FONT=&quot]with the glory which I had with You before the world was.[/FONT][FONT=&quot] John 17:5

[/FONT]Obviously you accept that Jesus is/was eternal, you quoted the verse right!
If Jesus was eternal, and it is clear that He was not an angel (created being), what can He be except be God?