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[miknik5]

That would have never happened.

Agreed

so why do you fault her even more by saying she said if we touch the tree we will die.
If she had obeyed this it also would have kept her from doing what she shouldn't have done

 

[preacher4truth]

Ezekiel 28

That's about the king of Tyre, not Satan.

 

[miknik5]

That's about the king of Tyre, not Satan.

The kingdom of Tyre can walk among the fiery stones? When was the king of Tyre ever an anointed cherub?

 

[Denadii]

Actually Adam failed to cover Eve.

God told Adam not to eat of the tree or you would die

Eve told satan if we even touch the tree we will die

Who told eve if she touched the tree she would die? God said no such thing did he?

Satan's goal was to instill doubt in the mind of the poor girl. and a sense of inferiority. Then she would grab at anything to regain her footing...And yeah. Where she was tricked Adam chose. He did not choose wisely.

 

[preacher4truth]

Agreed

so why do you fault her even more by saying she said if we touch it?

I've never stated any of this. Maybe you're mixing me up with another person.

If she had obeyed this it also would have kept her from doing what she shouldn't have done

That would have never happened and God knew it as He knows all things perfectly at all times.

 

[Meggido]

Megiddo,

note GOD's command to Adam with regards to the tree of knowledge

also note the "tree of life" was in
the garden already and also

That has no bearing on my comments, please answer me...Who told Eve she should not touch the tree, God did not did he?

 

[Meggido]

Megiddo,

do you think GOD was surprised and taken off guard by Adam's fall?

I think God gave Adam a choice, something you do not believe we have...

3rd time because it is important to your lucifer comment:

Who told Eve she should not touch the tree, God did not did he?

 

[miknik5]

The poor girl became the mother of all living (both male and female) and so the tainted seed passed to all Adams offspring

 

[Denadii]

The kingdom of Tyre can walk among the fiery stones?

The king of Tyrus was, and is I suppose, another name of Satan.

 

[miknik5]

I think God gave Adam a choice, something you do not believe we have...

3rd time because it is important to your lucifer comment:

Who told Eve she should not touch the tree, God did not did he?

It isn't imprtant
its a moot question

eve fell and Adam felll
and both were sent out from the holy presence of GOD covered over in a second and temporal covering

 

[Meggido]

Agreed

so why do you fault her even more by saying she said if we touch the tree we will die.
If she had obeyed this it also would have kept her from doing what she shouldn't have done

lol what a joke mik,
I am not faulting Eve any more.

4th time
Who told Eve she should not touch the tree, God did not did he?

Me thinks you p4t 's heads just exploded becuae oyu enver thought about it before....


Who told Eve she should not touch the tree, God did not did he?

 

[preacher4truth]

The kingdom of Tyre can walk among the fiery stones?

You need to study it out. There is lots of figurative language that you are taking as literal.

Before you go off on the "You don't believe the Bible" tangent you really need to consult some scholars, and church fathers, commentaries who will lead you on the right path. That is, unless you're one of those who doesn't need anyone else to help them, contrary to God's design. If so then there will be no helping you or need to continue dialog.

Other than that, please share some orthodox teachers by quotes who share your teachings.

 

[miknik5]

And Eve can't bear children in her own
and Adam can't bring forth children on
his own

 

[Meggido]

It isn't imprtant
its a moot question

eve fell and Adam felll
and both were sent out from the holy presence of GOD covered over in a second and temporal covering

Oh its very important but you will not answer, because Lucifer was not covering them, Adam was over Eve not Lucifer.

 

[Denadii]

lol what a joke mik,
I am not faulting Eve any more.

4th time
Who told Eve she should not touch the tree, God did not did he?

Me thinks you p4t 's heads just exploded becuae oyu enver thought about it before....


Who told Eve she should not touch the tree, God did not did he?

[h=1]Genesis 2:16-18 (KJV)[/h] [SUP]16 [/SUP]And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

God told Adam It would also apply to Eve

 

[Denadii]

Oh its very important but you will not answer, because Lucifer was not covering them, Adam was over Eve not Lucifer.

Meggido He has no answers Only opinions

 

[Meggido]

Genesis 2:16-18 (KJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

God told Adam It would also apply to Eve

Gen 3.3

[SUP]3 [/SUP]but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’”

I agree with what you are saying, but there is a deeper truth here many miss

 

[Zmouth]

The title "Son of God" is also actually a claim to divinity - but you have never got that.
What about "Son of Man"?
Jesus often refers to Himself as the "Son of Man".
That is also a claim to divinity but I guess you never got that either!

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 3:11-13

Jesus was conceived in Mary according to (Matthew 1:20).

Since no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven then he couldn't have been talking about himself since he states in John 20:17 that he had not ascended into heaven.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 20:17
KJV

Yet we know the Holy Ghost had came down from heaven since the as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

And later at his baptism, who descended upon Jesus ? So did the Holy Ghost say, "Thou art my beloved Son" or did the voice come from heaven?
.

 

[Meggido]

I don't say that Jesus was a conman - I say, as He explains, Himself, in the Scriptures I have quoted, that He is GOD!

I am not making up anything - the fiction is strictly your department.

I can tell that you don't like the logic (logic isn't actually logic unless it is logic), and it is VERY clear that this is NOT the way that you believe.

The title "Son of God" is also actually a claim to divinity - but you have never got that.
What about "Son of Man"?
Jesus often refers to Himself as the "Son of Man".
That is also a claim to divinity but I guess you never got that either!

You quoted John 17:5:

5 And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. John 17:5

Obviously you accept that Jesus is/was eternal, you quoted the verse right!
If Jesus was eternal, and it is clear that He was not an angel (created being), what can He be except be God?

Paul himself wrote the name 2 ways...
Christ Jesus-refers to the anointed one and his anointing

Jesus Christ-refers to the man of no reputation.

 

[graceNpeace]

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 3:11-13

Jesus was conceived in Mary according to (Matthew 1:20).

Since no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven then he couldn't have been talking about himself since he states in John 20:17 that he had not ascended into heaven.

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. John 20:17
KJV

Yet we know the Holy Ghost had came down from heaven since the as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

And later at his baptism, who descended upon Jesus ? So did the Holy Ghost say, "Thou art my beloved Son" or did the voice come from heaven?
.

So Jesus, according to your interpretation was a created being and NOT God.