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When I was an atheist I dismissed The Bible's credibility and divine inspiration because the authors thought the earth was flat (referencing four corners and other things) and the sun revolved around it, rather than knowing the correct model like me.

I was interested in the moon landing hoax since I was in middle school, but the documentaries and claims always left me inconclusive, because I was watching what I now know as "controlled opposition disinformation". When the "Stanley Kubrick helped fake the moon landing and put hidden messages into The Shining" theory gained more popularity, I re-examined everything as an adult because I like the shining and moon landing conspiracy. I then started watching non-government approved moon landing hoax documentaries, which made it clearly evident it's a hoax and you can't unsee the zipper on the costume afterwards.

From there I figured the ISS, Mars, and Satellite hoax were worth looking into, and to my shock and amazement they were just as fake as the moon landing. Then after all of my concrete evidence of space travel and truthful government entities was thrown out the window, I was open to the possibility of the "flat earth theory" that I heard about a year or two before quickly in passing as the "flat earth society". I thought they were "Live action role-playing" or something. I looked into it and after hearing how controlled "space travel" airline travel, Antarctica and north pole travel were, as well as "secret societies" being behind anything globe, I decided the earth wasn't a spinning ball, and that the sun worshipers and occultists deceived the peasants in Europe in the 1600's because they could by word of mouth and numbers.

Also, once someone presented the idea to me that all the photos of earth are CGI, I looked at them again and it was obvious they were fake, and I'm still shocked this doesn't happen to everyone. :(

Then I asked God for forgiveness in fear and tears for doubting The Bible and Him and felt like a complete idiot for being an atheist (or "spiritual/newager) and trusting the government who I already thought I couldn't trust any less. This realization instantly made evolution, big bang, and denying God simultaneously impossible and evil. This is what cracked the shell/matrix and I guess the very first that made me think it was not a sphere was the lack of videos and images of the sphere or "outer space", coupled with the fact that The Bible and ancient civilizations I highly respected for building pyramids aligned to stars better than we can today, all thought it was flat. I also knew all the NASA "astrophysicists" were either jews or bitter atheists, and I use to argue with Christians for thinking the earth was 6,000 years old and they told me a lot of things in passing about government lies and flawed logic, that when applied to the flat earth model instead of the Globe made complete sense. And I questioned before all of this how the ancient structure remained alligned to the stars with "continental drift/plate movement", the sun moving in orbit and all the stars having their own orbit too, makes no sense on the globe earth model and the stationary flat one made more sense.
Well I see there is a quite a bit of thoughts you have thought
Just to organize them a bit to make sure I understand you
Would it be correct to say, repenting from atheism and all its teachings
Was the dominant factor in your thinking?
Not that you automatically explored the flat earth theory I suppose
But rather that you were more investigative once you broke its hold?
And it seems through your investigation you came to myriad questions
And from many questions you came to a single conclusion?
Forgive me if my analysis of you is wrong
But thank you for the insight, it is some good stuff to ponder
Praise God either way for opening your mind to thinking on His splendor
 
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Is the International Space Station, our shuttle launch sites, shuttles, and satellites going to be destroyed during the wrath? or are they going to be preserved so we can colonize space afterwards? Or do you place the second coming so far into the future that we will already have colonized space?

Off topic but I'm curious as to what the vision is of the future for those who believe in outer space. Why would we need to leave the planet or meddle with outer space if we are going to have heaven on earth?
 
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None of them prove a flat earth and I have used a telescope before and looed at numerous planets that are globes.....and listed a bunch of things that do not add up to a flat earth....so...again...show one verse that states the earth is flat.....still waiting
Sure they do,
I have shown you two
David has plainly said the earth is stretched out
Solomon has directly told you it is a compass
And the seas are bounded that the may not pass
But then I am just repeating myself
I cannot make you believe the Bible and that's okay I guess

As for a telescope, I have used one too
And as for those stars I did not see them as globes
The easiest argument anyone can make on that is simple
The earth is not a planet, because planets are stars
There is only one earth, and that's all first page stuff
But thanks for your discussion at least you are more serious
I think for today that this will be enough
Have a happy Father's Day, and later we'll pick this back up
 

Reborn

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Did you guys hear the space station was jacked by some unknown space jackers?
Instead of trying to speak like a big boy and talk out why you believe the earth is round, maybe show the opposition a bit of compassion (that is, if you truly think they're nuts) you mock them?


Lol

You know what's nuts?
People who argue with people they believe are nuts.


...if they are truly nuts as you say they are, then what's the point in trying to be rational with them?


Lol. That's like, a whole new level of nuts.
That's nutty nuts there.
 

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Off topic but I'm curious as to what the vision is of the future for those who believe in outer space. Why would we need to leave the planet or meddle with outer space if we are going to have heaven on earth?
Because it's out there, somewhere.
 
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Well I see there is a quite a bit of thoughts you have thought
Just to organize them a bit to make sure I understand you
Would it be correct to say, repenting from atheism and all its teachings
Was the dominant factor in your thinking?
Not that you automatically explored the flat earth theory I suppose
But rather that you were more investigative once you broke its hold?
And it seems through your investigation you came to myriad questions
And from many questions you came to a single conclusion?
Forgive me if my analysis of you is wrong
But thank you for the insight, it is some good stuff to ponder
Praise God either way for opening your mind to thinking on His splendor
I broke the hold when I went from thinking "maybe NASA faked the moon landing because it was the space race and we made claims and commitments that would look bad if they weren't fruitful, and the ISS and Mars Rover are equally if not more impressive anyway" to, "Everything is lies and they go back way further than the 1960's, and they are all done with evil calculated intentions to undermine God/The Truth and there is a massive and organized conspiracy among groups and nations the general public is completely oblivious to". I started to believe in biblical-evil and satan as well as God.

I felt a lot of guilt and shame for being blaspheming God and persecuting the beliefs of Christians for years, as well as for being proud of myself and showing off to others how much I knew about "science",outer space and how logical I was for denying Christ without hesitation. So to repent in a misguided way I immediately went and argued flat earth with one of my college professors who "we use to compete with one another to see who memorized the lies better" (remember?) half-thinking my complete 180 in beliefs would have an effect on him which it didn't, and mostly to confess to him that I believed in the Christ I mocked in his class many times and I told him he was going to hell. I also called my Christian mother to tell her she was right and I told everyone I could for months and months the earth was flat and that Christianity was true, to clear my name and begin to undo all the damage I did.

After realizing I lived in the matrix, the dominant factor in my thinking was to figure out what else was a lie and keeping me locked inside, and to find out what The Truth was. I didn't immediately trust The Bible as God's complete and literal word, I thought the Vatican manipulated it to break us down and turn us into sheep, and I also thought I could access God without Christ, so I fell into more lies like the gnostic gospels and also focused more on studying the occult than studying The Bible to free myself. I initially mistook flat earth as knowledge helping me, rather than freeing myself from lies and God helping me.

Becoming right with God and DE-programming myself were the dominant factors in my thinking though, I mean other than still fighting materialism and wanting acceptance from my peers, but that's the programming. I now know that reading and believing the gospel is the most important knowledge and only way to accomplish the repenting and learning The Truth through the holy spirit. Took over a year post flat earth to figure that out because the matrix and devil isn't quick to release us and convinces you there are other ways, but overall I feel rehabilitated from how I use to be.
 
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The general public can't fly around or go to Antarctica snapping photos. That is why we do not have any photographic images of what exists beyond the ice ring. Very harsh conditions too in Antarctica, we both can agree an expedition going only God knows how far to reach the end would be difficult or who knows impossible. The Van Allens prevent us from going high in the atmosphere, maybe the extreme cold or another phenomenon makes it impossible.

You can't show a solid pics of the globe earth either, you post cartoons. I post videos higher than 60,000 ft showing no curvature but that is dismissed.

You are the one saying God is consistent and makes everything a globe, not God. I use to say the same thing, how can people think the earth was flat when they looked at the sun and moon and planets and obviously knew they were spheres? The earth is different from the sun moon and planets, that's it. Is heaven a globe too if you believe God is consistent? Earth is different from the planetary bodies, sun, moon, and stars, they revolve around us and serve purposes for us and Earth dwarfs them in size.

Do we really have any photos of Antartica in general? A image that shows a large portion of the continent at once? Not the CGI one's (or satellite photos whatever), but something where you can see a vast landscape far from the ocean.

By your view there should be a ring of ice around the entire planet.....someone would have photos, video footage etc....and I post cartoons.....when did I post cartoons.....or even a pic in this thread...I do not recall posting anything but verbiage and or a reply to a pic someone else posted....so...please show me a pic I posted myself or a cartoon I posted please...
 
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By your view there should be a ring of ice around the entire planet.....someone would have photos, video footage etc....and I post cartoons.....when did I post cartoons.....or even a pic in this thread...I do not recall posting anything but verbiage and or a reply to a pic someone else posted....so...please show me a pic I posted myself or a cartoon I posted please...
Ok sorry, you didn't post any pictures of the earth on this thread, but I assume you believe we have photographs of the earth, and they are all fake and better described as cartoons. So I think it's foolish to demand photographic evidence of the flat earth when you have no photographic evidence of the globe earth. You can watch videos of no curvature from weather balloons exceeding heights above 60,000 feet, and you can also see examples of a lack of curvature on the surface of the earth, like the Chicago sky-line visible across more than 50 miles of ocean. You demand images of the ice ring in it's entirety that is a physical impossibility.

It's not like the globe where you can go into outer space or the upper atmosphere and see the entire earth at once, it's a much larger surface when it's flattened out and the firmament keeps us from reaching the heights the imaginary space station and satellites can get to. When you watch that evil canevil guy jump out of the red bull shuttle with the fish eyes lens, you see very little of the earth at once, and that was from pretty far up.

The Ice ring extends back very far, it's not a skinny ring, so whoever is on it can believe they are on a continent or the south pole.
It's not physically possible to take massive aerial shots of the earth. The examples of this are cartoons. Look at the red bull jump there is very little earth below him. That is why we can't take these conclusive photos you want.

There are photos of the ice ring, but we only capture whatever is at ground level with the camera taking them. To see the entire ring, I'm not sure we have the capability to get that high in the air with regular planes and commercial rocket launches. It's not a skinny ring, it extends back very far, so whoever is on it can believe they are on a continent. Unless they keep walking and walking and walking around the ring they will just think they are on a continent like when I go to the east coast or west coast.
 
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@pcks

You can travel west across the Pacific Ocean. You won't find an edge. I've done that.

You can continue west across Asia and Europe. You won't find an edge. I've done that.

You can continue west across the Atlantic Ocean. You won't find an edge. I've done that.

You can travel west across North America. You won't find an edge. I've also done that.

When you finish your trip you will be on the east side of the Pacific where your westward travel began. Please explain to me just how I missed the edge of your flat earth.

IMHO, you need to ask God for forgiveness for misusing His Word. I'll keep you in my prayers.
 
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You can travel west across the Pacific Ocean. You won't find an edge. I've done that.

You can continue west across Asia and Europe. You won't find an edge. I've done that.

You can continue west across the Atlantic Ocean. You won't find an edge. I've done that.

You can travel west across North America. You won't find an edge. I've also done that.

When you finish your trip you will be on the east side of the Pacific where your westward travel began. Please explain to me just how I missed the edge of your flat earth.

IMHO, you need to ask God for forgiveness for misusing His Word. I'll keep you in my prayers.
I don't think you need to seek forgiveness, I would look into the moon landing though.

How many times must I repeat myself, I do not care to hear anyone's personal unverifiable anecdotes. "I've done that" isn't evidence.
 

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... You can watch videos of no curvature from weather balloons exceeding heights above 60,000 feet, and you can also see examples of a lack of curvature on the surface of the earth, like the Chicago sky-line visible across more than 50 miles of ocean. ...
I think I've found the problem... Chicago is adjacent to the ocean! All the maps are wrong! (Shhhh... let's keep this from the ignorant public!)
 

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I think I've found the problem... Chicago is adjacent to the ocean! All the maps are wrong! (Shhhh... let's keep this from the ignorant public!)
Yup,
Become a Christian - get a frontal lobotomy...
 
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I think I've found the problem... Chicago is adjacent to the ocean! All the maps are wrong! (Shhhh... let's keep this from the ignorant public!)
OK sorry, Lake Michigan.
 
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I think I've found the problem... Chicago is adjacent to the ocean! All the maps are wrong! (Shhhh... let's keep this from the ignorant public!)
Yup,
Become a Christian - get a frontal lobotomy...
Mock all you want, you both look at CGI and believe it's reality. I'm above feeling any criticism.
 

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You can watch videos of no curvature from weather balloons exceeding heights above 60,000 feet, and you can also see examples of a lack of curvature on the surface of the earth, like the Chicago sky-line visible across more than 50 miles of ocean. You demand images of the ice ring in it's entirety that is a physical impossibility.
Actually Chicago is next to Lake Michigan and not the ocean. Do you know for a fact that there is an ice ring around a flat earth or is that just the general consensus from the Flat Earther's. You always demand evidence regarding a round earth but when offered you always say that it's fake. I have yet to see you offer any evidence whatsoever supporting your position.
 
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Boy, and above all sense too...
There is a gang of you who contribute nothing to the discussion, other than to criticize the opposition. Probably do not understand the globe lie enough, but you are sure you are right because you learned about it in elementary school.
 
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Actually Chicago is next to Lake Michigan and not the ocean. Do you know for a fact that there is an ice ring around a flat earth or is that just the general consensus from the Flat Earther's. You always demand evidence regarding a round earth but when offered you always say that it's fake. I have yet to see you offer any evidence whatsoever supporting your position.
Yeah I already posted the correction. Go back a couple pages, I posted 2 high altitude videos of the earth without curvature, and 2 maps created around 1948 with flight data.

That is no evidence whatsoever?

I also post the scripture, but that's just figurative and not literal as determined by the circular reasoning to prove the globe.