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Yeraza_Bats

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David Wood has put out a really good video on this event. He points out that those who block the criticism of Islam do not help the issue with Islam and violent acts done in its name. He talks about how criticizing Islam, showing others how Muhammad was not the perfect role example to live by, how the quran is not filled with scientific facts, and how the quran has not been perfectly persevered since its creation, can help others leave the religion which would help decrease the problem with violence done in its name.

The problem isnt that those who criticize Islam hurt the feelings of Muslims, which causes them to kill in allahs name. Protecting this ideology from criticism leads to others being taught that it is good to fight in allahs name, without hearing any reason to turn from the teachings of Muhammad. And those who wish to speak out against the violent religion begin to feel frustrated that their attempts are called "racist" and "bigoted", and let themselves consider more violent solutions.

Heres the video for anyone interested-

[VIDEO=youtube;gN0qxp7E7ZI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN0qxp7E7ZI[/VIDEO]
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
The problem isnt that those who criticize Islam hurt the feelings of Muslims, which causes them to kill in allahs name. Protecting this ideology from criticism leads to others being taught that it is good to fight in allahs name, without hearing any reason to turn from the teachings of Muhammad. And those who wish to speak out against the violent religion begin to feel frustrated that their attempts are called "racist" and "bigoted", and let themselves consider more violent solutions.
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so.... following that kind of logic: if someone is about to go into a wood where there is a bear, if they won't listen we should shoot them?
 
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Do you want to provoke more terrorist attacks?
Because this is how you provoke more terrorist attacks
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No... you provoke more terror attacks by not converting to islam and bowing down to their will.

They have always threatened those that do not follow islam with death, so if you want to be safe from terror attacks then convert to islam... you'll go to heLL, but during your time on earth your chances of getting whacked by a muzlim nutjob will be considerably less... unless the opposing faction of islam gets you cause you know they kill more of themselves than they do infidels.

Actually... in the old days muzlims were hunted down and killed because the old guys back in the day understood that muzlims will never, ever stop killing to force conversion to islam so this is actually a kill or be killed scenario we are looking at concerning islam.

It's quite comical (if being ignorant wasn't so sad) that in modern times people want to negotiate not knowing muzlims are told in their book to lie to further their cause so you cannot make deals with liars.

Making a deal with muzlims is like makin a deal with the devil... it cannot and will not be done.

This will only be resolved when Jesus Christ arrives after the great tribulation, locks up the devil, and takes over this world and even then He will have to rule with a rod of iron because some will refuse to submit to His authority... and they will find themselves suddenly in heLL, and others will notice this and play nice.

When Jesus gets here, there won't be any terror attacks cause the Body of Christ will be here with glorified bodies (untouchable by death, just like Jesus) and we will reign with Jesus speaking His Word to dispel darkness and those that are in agreement with such.




I would definitely agree that those who do fight in allahs way will claim it as justification
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They're going to continue killing infidels anyway, so the infidels may as well shoot back!

Self defense is not a sin before the Lord...



Viewing every Moslim as a Terrorist or sympathiser is like seeing every White American Christian as a possible Klu Klux Clan member
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That would only be true if some muzlims were like some Christians... they don't know what's in their book!

The muzlim book instructs them to kill infidels if they refuse to convert.
 
Yeraza_Bats

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wwjd_kilden said:
so.... following that kind of logic: if someone is about to go into a wood where there is a bear, if they won't listen we should shoot them?
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You are saying that Im justifying what the man did? I am not, not even a little. The point was that shutting up those who criticize Islam and defend the religion as peaceful when its not can cause other people, who believe theres no use in peaceful discussion, to think that the only choice is to fight back.

The whole point was that stopping them and calling them racist in defense of Islam is not a solution.
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
You are saying that Im justifying what the man did? I am not, not even a little. The point was that shutting up those who criticize Islam and defend the religion as peaceful when its not can cause other people, who believe theres no use in peaceful discussion, to think that the only choice is to fight back.

The whole point was that stopping them and calling them racist in defense of Islam is not a solution.
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No, but
"We shouldn't ask people not be racist because then the racists will kill rather than use words" doesn't make sense.
... if someone hates and attacks a random person because of their faith or where they came from, that is racism, by most countries laws. If people say that silencing them makes them violent then that does become an excuse for the person doing it.
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
No, but
"We shouldn't ask people not be racist because then the racists will kill rather than use words" doesn't make sense.
... if someone hates and attacks a random person because of their faith or where they came from, that is racism, by most countries laws. If people say that silencing them makes them violent then that does become an excuse for the person doing it.
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Criticizing a belief is not racist, it literally has nothing to do with racism. If I say I think communism is bad, that in no way makes me a racist.
 
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Criticizing a belief is not racist, it literally has nothing to do with racism. If I say I think communism is bad, that in no way makes me a racist.
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Also, the best way to get people to turn from things like communism, is to teach them why its bad.

Meaning you have to criticize communism.

Its not an act of hate to do so.
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
Criticizing a belief is not racist, it literally has nothing to do with racism. If I say I think communism is bad, that in no way makes me a racist.
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No, but if you think everyone from Russia is bad, or that all communists are lurking around your house ready to murder you, then you are either racist or paranoid. (and trust me, many people in Norway are like that when it comes to Muslims / Islam)
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
No, but if you think everyone from Russia is bad, or that all communists are lurking around your house ready to murder you, then you are either racist or paranoid. (and trust me, many people in Norway are like that when it comes to Muslims / Islam)
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Uggggh not this argument again!

Islam is not Muslims. Communism is not every single Russian.

These things are not the same, criticizing Islam =/= all Muslims are rapists and should die.
 
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Yeraza_Bats said:
Uggggh not this argument again!

Islam is not Muslims. Communism is not every single Russian.

These things are not the same, criticizing Islam =/= all Muslims are rapists and should die.
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People know this well; they just pretend they don't.
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
No, but if you think everyone from Russia is bad, or that all communists are lurking around your house ready to murder you, then you are either racist or paranoid. (and trust me, many people in Norway are like that when it comes to Muslims / Islam)
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Islam is not a race. Therefor "racist" isn't accurate.
 
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shrimp said:
Islam is not a race. Therefor "racist" isn't accurate.
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ok, find me the correct term,
if someone attacks and tries to kill you because you are a Christian, is the person charged just with the attack as if there was no motive behind it? or is there an added something?
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
ok, find me the correct term,
if someone attacks and tries to kill you because you are a Christian
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This question is pointless cuz literally no one is saying kill Muslims, in fact the entire point was that its wrong, and there are peaceful solutions, like helping people get away from Islam.

Why do you always equate criticizing a violent ideology with kill innocent people? The fact that it happens is not proof that anyone who disagrees with it is guilty of killing innocent people.
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
ok, find me the correct term,
if someone attacks and tries to kill you because you are a Christian, is the person charged just with the attack as if there was no motive behind it? or is there an added something?
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Uh...hate crime?

All hate crimes aren't about race...
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
but the thing is, there are PLENTY of people out there who DO thing that all Muslims are evil rapists, terrorists and what not.
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And there's plenty of people who act like those who criticize Islam must think like this. That's just not true.
 
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wwjd_kilden said:
ok, find me the correct term,
if someone attacks and tries to kill you because you are a Christian, is the person charged just with the attack as if there was no motive behind it? or is there an added something?
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Idk what term you are looking for but I DO know that it isn't "racist". the definition of racist is: a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Also, Islamists and many Muslim societies are not just targeting Christians, often they kill other Muslims for not following Islam well enough.
 
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And there's plenty of people who act like those who criticize Islam must think like this. That's just not true.
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Ok, but this thread is about someone who carried out a terrorist attack targeting muslims, so they probably DID have that ideology
 
Yeraza_Bats

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wwjd_kilden said:
Ok, but this thread is about someone who carried out a terrorist attack targeting muslims, so they probably DID have that ideology
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Or they are angry that there are Muslims who are killing innocent people in their communities, and no one will do anything out of fear that they are being called racist for it.
(note: me saying "no one will do anything" is not a call for violence)

It could be either one of these things. There are valid reasons to speak out against the teachings in Islam.
 
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