Re: "TORAH OBSERVER" "HEBREW ROOTS" "MESSIANIC JEW" INCONSISTENCIES
Sparkman, you could of left out that your uncircumcised. lol To much information at this point.
Well, I'm saddened that your aim is to point out fault in Messianic and SDA believers, since that is where my faith leans. I hope you have a change of heart one day and find how much the world has been blessed by these faiths. Hacksaw Ridge gives a story about a SDA who served in the military and saved lives, rather than killing people. SDA has hospitals, homeless ministries, disaster relief ministries, schools/universities, world wide missionary work, and I know so many of them that are high level professionals who have a servant's heart. Would you say your church has a similar testimony? I would hope so! Would you like to tell us what church you goto and state your church has no inconsistencies? Let's be real here.
Also, to discourage Jewish believers (Messianic believers) on their faith is rather counter productive. Gospels are for the Jew first, and also the gentiles. Jesus had a heart for the Jewish people and also the world.
Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
Pretty much all or at least most of the first believers were Messianic Jews. 12 disciples, John the Baptist, and Paul the Apostle. I'm no scholar, but I believe Seventh Day Adventists and Messianic believers deserve a lot of credit for their contribution of the faith. You may find fault in these faiths, but just remember Paul the Apostle was a Christian killer at one time and most accept him without "inconsistencies".
ahhhhh...I said my peace and hopefully it came out peaceful..
Alright! lol
kinda,
I like you but you should admit that the purpose of the SDA church has been to discredit Christianity as being misled into rejecting the Sabbath, and to convince Christians that they are the true church. Unless you haven't been listening to the organization, I think you will agree with that. What do you think their "remnant church" claim is about? They claim they are the true church because they keep the Sabbath and have the "spirit of prophecy", which, in essence, is Ellen G. White.
Additionally, I have not said that ALL Sabbathkeepers or Messianic Jewish organizations are Judaizers. The Judaizers are the ones who are claiming non observers are in sin. Jews for Jesus and other Messianic Jew organizations don't do that. I know some non-Judaizing Messianic believers. I am addressing those that claim non observers are in sin. I have no issues with those who don't make this claim.
And, regarding your remarks about being critical, realize that remarks are made OFTEN in an attempt to discredit the rest of Christianity. Yonah has commented in the room that Christianity has been led into error, as well as saying Reformed believers are following Satanic doctrine. He makes continual, INACCURATE claims about Christian denominations. He says that non observers are in sin, and that places him in the Judaizer group. I see clear attempts to discredit Christianity coming from him.
So, I have no issues with being critical, because Judaizers are criticizing Christianity. It's the basic purpose behind their existence. Locally, there is a Messianic congregation whose motto is "Truth over Tradition". They are inferring that the rest of Christianity follows tradition, and they are following the true faith. I am sad to see that the movement is growing.
The same thing is being inferred in the chat room and here. They claim they are following true apostolic Christianity, and that non-observers aren't. Other chatters may not be attuned to it, but that's what's meant when they talk about following the "ancient paths".
Are you really so uninformed that you don't know most Sabbath-keeping organizations proclaim that non observers are in severe error, and spend a lot of effort in an attempt to discredit them, to switch their loyalties? The SDA church believes it is the true, "remnant" church and that everyone will be added to it eventually. Many Hebrew Roots/Messianic Jew groups make similar claims, some even worse than the SDA church, claiming non observers to be non-Christians. As an Armstrongite observer, I didn't consider any non-observer to be a Christian, and that position was normal in the organization that I belonged to. Some here may insist that their organization is significantly different, but I don't see it.
And, I realize Seventh Day Adventism has done some good things, along with aborting children. So have Roman Catholics, who they think is the Whore of Babylon mentioned in Revelation 17, and don't abort children. At least SDAs keep the right day though, and that makes a WORLD of difference. God will probably overlook performing abortions since they kept the right day.
Concerning my fellowship, I attend an Evangelical Free Church of America congregation and they have a lot of mission activities. The local church supports an orphanage in India of about 60 boys and contributed about 80,000 to its building fund in the last 3 years. They support various other missionaries and also provide a monthly donation for each child in the orphanage. The only inconsistency I think they have is that they believe in eternal torment and my position is undecided...and they are premillennial and I am likely amillennial. On either issue I could be wrong so I am good with them.
And, by the way, they wouldn't approve of my approach on this topic. Ironically, they promote peaceful relationships with other groups. But I think they are naïve when it comes to Judaizers. Although, it's probably a waste of time talking to two dimensional thinkers who don't understand the concept of the spirit of the law.
