The truth behind the Law
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I agree with you ! that is why I suggest we stay with the Commandments of God rather than the Com given through Moses. ALL 10 given by GOD (Ex 20; Deut 5) are appliccable to ALL men at ALL times and need no sifting through as being only for one or another as is the case with Moses, too many to be kept. That is the reason they were separated from the 10. What do you think ?
I agree not all the law applies. I was more talking about the 10 commandments which I do believe apply to all who would accept God. There are many parts of the law that the law itself shows would change or cease with the coming of the Messiah. There are many aspects of the law that are yet to be fulfilled or brought into being by Yeshua.
many do not realise that the sacrifice of Jesus the true lamb of God was the first step in the sanctuary service. anyway I could say much more but thanx for your reply
many do not realise that the sacrifice of Jesus the true lamb of God was the first step in the sanctuary service. anyway I could say much more but thanx for your reply
Hello Beta,
Below is what Peter had to say regarding those pharisees who were claiming that the Gentiles must be circumcised and made to obey the Law given to Moses:
"Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
Do you understand what the scripture means that says "the law gives sin its power?" I'd have to say the same to you that Paul said to the Galatians regarding their beginning with the Spirit and then attempting to be justified by the flesh:
"Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?
We should be trusting in Christ who met the righteous requirements of the Law on our behalf and who is the author and finisher of our faith.
Below is what Peter had to say regarding those pharisees who were claiming that the Gentiles must be circumcised and made to obey the Law given to Moses:
"Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
The apostles and elders met to consider this question. After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
Do you understand what the scripture means that says "the law gives sin its power?" I'd have to say the same to you that Paul said to the Galatians regarding their beginning with the Spirit and then attempting to be justified by the flesh:
"Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?
We should be trusting in Christ who met the righteous requirements of the Law on our behalf and who is the author and finisher of our faith.
forgive me for not reading all of your post I have a problem with the faint print and also I did not need to read past the word 'circumcision and Pharisees...I have nothing to do with them. I try to follow the teachings of Jesus from the time of His Ministry. If you would like to ask a single question or two I will do my best to answer.
Excuse me, but the ten commandments were given to Moses on Mount Sinai and are apart of the Law. And you are correct, Jesus did keep the ten commandments, as well as the rest of the law and that on mankind's behalf and that because we were unable to keep the Law.
You people who trust in the law will be thinking that you are going to get a pat on the back from God for attempting to keep the law. But you will be kept out of the kingdom of God because you trusted in your own works instead of trusting in Christ as the One who fulfilled the Law and thereby satisfying God's requirement for fulfillment.
Think of it this way, scripture states that "unless there is a shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sins." Jesus fulfilled that shedding of blood by shedding His righteous blood on our behalf. As a believer, do you feel that you need to go out and shed your blood to help Jesus fulfill what He already accomplished?
Jesus also took upon himself the wrath of God that we deserve as a result of our sins. Do you feel the need to experience God's wrath to finish the provision of salvation that Jesus already provided? That is exactly what you are doing by attempting to keep the Law. You're saying the Christ's fulfillment of the law was insufficient.
You people who trust in the law will be thinking that you are going to get a pat on the back from God for attempting to keep the law. But you will be kept out of the kingdom of God because you trusted in your own works instead of trusting in Christ as the One who fulfilled the Law and thereby satisfying God's requirement for fulfillment.
Think of it this way, scripture states that "unless there is a shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sins." Jesus fulfilled that shedding of blood by shedding His righteous blood on our behalf. As a believer, do you feel that you need to go out and shed your blood to help Jesus fulfill what He already accomplished?
Jesus also took upon himself the wrath of God that we deserve as a result of our sins. Do you feel the need to experience God's wrath to finish the provision of salvation that Jesus already provided? That is exactly what you are doing by attempting to keep the Law. You're saying the Christ's fulfillment of the law was insufficient.
The point being with the Pharisees is that they were claiming that the Gentiles must be circumcised and made to obey the Law of Moses. Now you may not be concerned about circumcision, but in regards to Keeping the Law, you are doing the same thing that the Pharisees were. I'm not asking questions, I'm contending for the truth of God's word, which you are distorting by your teaching of the keeping of the Law, any of the Law.
Jesus kept the Law because we couldn't and thereby freed us from the curse of the Law. Understand this, when you teach such things, you will be held accountable for them.
It is by grace that we have been saved and not by works so that no one can boast or take credit for it.
The Law is good for study, but our salvation is by faith in Christ alone. We should be zealous for good works, but not to obtain or maintain salvation, but to glorify God and also to build up our treasures in heaven.
Jesus kept the Law because we couldn't and thereby freed us from the curse of the Law. Understand this, when you teach such things, you will be held accountable for them.
It is by grace that we have been saved and not by works so that no one can boast or take credit for it.
The Law is good for study, but our salvation is by faith in Christ alone. We should be zealous for good works, but not to obtain or maintain salvation, but to glorify God and also to build up our treasures in heaven.
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1. Thats was James not paul (typo?)
2. James did not contradict paul, He said the same thing, to a different audience, He spoke to licentious people who thought BELIEF was enough. That we could say a prayer and magically we are saved forever, so I can be a hearer and not a doer, live like the world. no sweat.
Paul said we are saved by grace through faith period. Whoever is saved will do work.
Hebrews showed us the wall of faith (faith works, it acts, it does not stand still)
James said if we CLAIM to have faith, But have no work, can that faith save us? Well of course not, it is no faith at all (dead)
2. James did not contradict paul, He said the same thing, to a different audience, He spoke to licentious people who thought BELIEF was enough. That we could say a prayer and magically we are saved forever, so I can be a hearer and not a doer, live like the world. no sweat.
Paul said we are saved by grace through faith period. Whoever is saved will do work.
Hebrews showed us the wall of faith (faith works, it acts, it does not stand still)
James said if we CLAIM to have faith, But have no work, can that faith save us? Well of course not, it is no faith at all (dead)
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Can you explain atonement for me? The law taught us how sin was atoned for. Since people in here are talking about law. Can someone explain atonement. What was it that was done to cause God to forgive sin?
Licentiousness is a false gospel. Yes But replacing it with legalism (works) is just as dangerous as licentiousness.
I don't think there is a curse for keeping the Commandments (the 10) of God. Rev 14v12,13. And I don't keep Moses law. Our treasures in heaven are 'to do the Will of God. Have not seen anywhere Him cancelling His own spiritual eternal Commandments which are holy, just and good Rom 7....when I do I'll change my mind.
Sorry if I have missed anything else in your post.
Sorry if I have missed anything else in your post.
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lol.. Which I have been saying since I first God here (faith first, Obedience and good works follow)
Again, There was grace in the OT.. Maybe try to read what people say first?
In fact, this response shows you did not even read the post you responded to. If you did, You would not have much such comments.
Again, There was grace in the OT.. Maybe try to read what people say first?
In fact, this response shows you did not even read the post you responded to. If you did, You would not have much such comments.
Yes, all the law can do is condemn us - and convince us of the need for a saviour.
Paul called the law a tutor:
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:24
And once we believed in Christ Jesus the law no longer had a purpose for us:
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Gal 3:25
Why are we no longer under the law - because we are under faith:
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[h] who believe.For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Rom 3:21-26
Paul called the law a tutor:
24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Gal 3:24
And once we believed in Christ Jesus the law no longer had a purpose for us:
25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. Gal 3:25
Why are we no longer under the law - because we are under faith:
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[h] who believe.For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Rom 3:21-26
Why are people not hearing?
dont you remember HE said for judgement I have come that those who are blind will see and those who see will be made blind...in them is the prophecy of Isaiah fulfilled:
be ever seeing but never seeing, ever hearing but never hearing lest they should understand with their heart....TURN...and HE should heal them
not everyone believes they are in need of a PHYSICIAN
dont you remember HE said for judgement I have come that those who are blind will see and those who see will be made blind...in them is the prophecy of Isaiah fulfilled:
be ever seeing but never seeing, ever hearing but never hearing lest they should understand with their heart....TURN...and HE should heal them
not everyone believes they are in need of a PHYSICIAN