Even that does not always work with people...look at JESUS being our walking living EXAMPLe of keeping the Sabbath day written into scripture and being told to walk in His steps yet 'christians don't do it. Their excuse 'Jesus does not tell us to. GOD does tell man to keep the sabbath and they don't do it...their excuse 'it's not for us. He is sending His servants with the message and what do they do ?...they stone us. Any wonder God is getting a bit cross !
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Matthew 5:17 [FONT="]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Did the Lord Jesus fulfill the law? He must not have if you are still obligated to work at it.
The only thing you prove by working at the law is your unbelief.
Galatians 2:21 [/FONT] [FONT="]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/FONT]
Did the Lord Jesus fulfill the law? He must not have if you are still obligated to work at it.
The only thing you prove by working at the law is your unbelief.
Galatians 2:21 [/FONT] [FONT="]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/FONT]
Guys, don't worry. I think I found the problem. You just thought "fulfill" means "To do away with" / "destroy" / "remove". Here's the copy/paste definition I got.
fulfil
fʊlˈfɪl/verb: fulfill
fulfil
fʊlˈfɪl/verb: fulfill
- 1.
achieve or realize (something desired, promised, or predicted).
"he wouldn't be able to fulfil his ambition to visit Naples" - 2.
carry out (a duty or role) as required, promised, or expected.
"some officials were dismissed because they could not fulfil their duties"
A vary astute observation my friend. You just showed me something in a little different light than I had sen before, thank you for that.
I do agree that Israel didn't understand what they were given, as is made even more clear when looks at the Rabbinic Law that soon followed. Don't get me wrong I am not putting them down, as I understand they were trying to DO, as they said they would.
just as I understand that is why HaShem said,
Hos 6:6
I want you to show love, not offer sacrifices.
I want you to know me more than I want burnt offerings.
As we know, mans laws become the law of the land. To the point that if one was to speak with a Gentile, they could be killed. Once more pushing aside what Israel was suppose be doing. They were meant to be a light unto the world, kind of had to do when you try to stop all contact with the out side world.
I do agree that Israel didn't understand what they were given, as is made even more clear when looks at the Rabbinic Law that soon followed. Don't get me wrong I am not putting them down, as I understand they were trying to DO, as they said they would.
just as I understand that is why HaShem said,
Hos 6:6
I want you to show love, not offer sacrifices.
I want you to know me more than I want burnt offerings.
As we know, mans laws become the law of the land. To the point that if one was to speak with a Gentile, they could be killed. Once more pushing aside what Israel was suppose be doing. They were meant to be a light unto the world, kind of had to do when you try to stop all contact with the out side world.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
The Lord couldn't offer rest from our work at the law unless He fulfilled it.
Hebrews 4:10-11
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Isn't it weird that sabbath means rest? How do we enter into rest if we are working at the law? I guess we can't.
Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Confirmed. We are not blessed if we are working at the law.
But aren't we supposed to work at the law???
Romans 3:20-28
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Re-confirmed. Working at the law is no good. Because working at the law is not of faith.
The Lord couldn't offer rest from our work at the law unless He fulfilled it.
Hebrews 4:10-11
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Isn't it weird that sabbath means rest? How do we enter into rest if we are working at the law? I guess we can't.
Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Confirmed. We are not blessed if we are working at the law.
But aren't we supposed to work at the law???
Romans 3:20-28
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Re-confirmed. Working at the law is no good. Because working at the law is not of faith.
Yes they were to be alight to the Gentiles but they did not get it and did not continue in the covenant given to Abraham.
I find this passage interesting when Moses repeats the commandments of the Lord:
Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
It says that the Covenant made at Horeb was not the covenant made with our fathers. As I understand it the reason is that the did not continue in the covenant made with the Fathers so God gave them a different covenant. He also says here:
Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
God gave them statutes and judgements that were not good because they were carnal, they did not walk in the faith of Abraham. This is not in respect to the 10 commandments which are good as the context shows and as is said again here:
Neh_9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:
This is in reference to law such as this one that was because they were still carnal:
Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
So God gave some laws and statutes and judgements that were to help govern carnal hearts but were not good because good ones in this case is this:
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
The reason God gave them these less than perfect laws was because of the hardness of their hearts as it says:
Eze 20:21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.
Eze 20:22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth.
Eze 20:23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
Eze 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
Why did they fail? because they did not have faith in God but tried to work their own righteousness as Paul observed:
Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
So it is that the problem was not the good laws that God gave but rather the method Israel tried to attain.
Of Abraham it is said:
Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
So then it was by faith that Abraham was made righteous. Had Israel followed after their Fathers Abraham Isaac and Jacob/Israel. They would have been a law to the world and God would not have had to spell it out. They would have been transformed. They would have all become living temples to the Most High God. The law seen in their lives and words and deeds. Just as Abraham obeyed though He did not have a written copy of the law.
I find this passage interesting when Moses repeats the commandments of the Lord:
Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
It says that the Covenant made at Horeb was not the covenant made with our fathers. As I understand it the reason is that the did not continue in the covenant made with the Fathers so God gave them a different covenant. He also says here:
Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
God gave them statutes and judgements that were not good because they were carnal, they did not walk in the faith of Abraham. This is not in respect to the 10 commandments which are good as the context shows and as is said again here:
Neh_9:13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:
This is in reference to law such as this one that was because they were still carnal:
Mat 19:7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
So God gave some laws and statutes and judgements that were to help govern carnal hearts but were not good because good ones in this case is this:
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
The reason God gave them these less than perfect laws was because of the hardness of their hearts as it says:
Eze 20:21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness.
Eze 20:22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth.
Eze 20:23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries;
Eze 20:24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.
Eze 20:25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;
Why did they fail? because they did not have faith in God but tried to work their own righteousness as Paul observed:
Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
So it is that the problem was not the good laws that God gave but rather the method Israel tried to attain.
Of Abraham it is said:
Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
So then it was by faith that Abraham was made righteous. Had Israel followed after their Fathers Abraham Isaac and Jacob/Israel. They would have been a law to the world and God would not have had to spell it out. They would have been transformed. They would have all become living temples to the Most High God. The law seen in their lives and words and deeds. Just as Abraham obeyed though He did not have a written copy of the law.
There are 2 schools of thought on that one. The first is as you pointed out, well almost, the only deference, is that some would say they didn't know it, as it was not written down. After 400 years most of the Teachings of Abraham would have drown out by the pagan life in Egypt. Any that teach this, will also say that in only changed in that it was now in print.
If you are like you may thinking, hold on, it was not really i print at that time, Moses had just started to write it all out. Sorry I do think that, there just no way to know for sure.
2 There are many will say the Law was not in place until Sinai. If how ever that were true, then would that not mean that HaShem would have been wrong for His action in Gen. 4:11, when He past judgment on Cain, or in Gen 18:20 ( I think that is right) when Sodom was wiped out for their sin?
After all As we are told,
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
This and other witness, tells me that the Law was known before Sinai. I use the word witness to indicate Scripture, just so you from here out.
Divorce as I see it was only given for one reason.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
I will give that if one looks to
Deu 24:1 ¶When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
There seems to be a lot of difference in the 2. Finding uncleanness in a person under Rabbinic Law was not hard to do. Yet under Biblical Law, the lines were a bit more defined. As we know adultery would you get stoned back then. So Why any need for divorce I have no clue. Your commentary fits as good as I have seen.
Vary good. faith as we should all know is the bed rock of salvation. Everything you have pointed out here, should be common knowledge. Yet I find it odd, that the only pace I have found this understanding has been in a hand full of Yeshivas.
None of them follow ether of the 2 house.
If you are like you may thinking, hold on, it was not really i print at that time, Moses had just started to write it all out. Sorry I do think that, there just no way to know for sure.
2 There are many will say the Law was not in place until Sinai. If how ever that were true, then would that not mean that HaShem would have been wrong for His action in Gen. 4:11, when He past judgment on Cain, or in Gen 18:20 ( I think that is right) when Sodom was wiped out for their sin?
After all As we are told,
Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
This and other witness, tells me that the Law was known before Sinai. I use the word witness to indicate Scripture, just so you from here out.
Divorce as I see it was only given for one reason.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
I will give that if one looks to
Deu 24:1 ¶When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
There seems to be a lot of difference in the 2. Finding uncleanness in a person under Rabbinic Law was not hard to do. Yet under Biblical Law, the lines were a bit more defined. As we know adultery would you get stoned back then. So Why any need for divorce I have no clue. Your commentary fits as good as I have seen.
Vary good. faith as we should all know is the bed rock of salvation. Everything you have pointed out here, should be common knowledge. Yet I find it odd, that the only pace I have found this understanding has been in a hand full of Yeshivas.
None of them follow ether of the 2 house.
Good point ! we know that JESUS fulfilled - set the ball rolling so to speak and gather others to Him. Does it all stop there ? is it all finished at the cross ?
Well, we who are being conformed to His image will 'strive to imitate Him and also fulfil as we continue to grow IN Him. This does not diminish what He has done for we could not do anything without Him !!!
Well, we who are being conformed to His image will 'strive to imitate Him and also fulfil as we continue to grow IN Him. This does not diminish what He has done for we could not do anything without Him !!!
I personally think the law has always been. The law is ultimately agape love. God is love thus the law is the very character of God in that respect and is as old as YHWH.
The law is an expression of Gods Character as it would be seen in his creation if they bore His image.
As you have stated we see this before the law for Example:
Gen_39:9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
How did Joseph know this would be a sin against God? I believe He had the law on his heart, He bore the image of God. Adam and Eve would have been made with the law naturally part of who they were until they sinned.
Its interesting that 9 of the 10 commandments would most naturally be kept if one has Gods love in their heart. All they would need to do Is be aware of YHWH and they would naturally keep the first 3. They would naturally keep the last 6 toward men if the love of God was in their hearts.
Just as the first three require a knowledge of God so the fourth requires a knowledge of creation.
I believe this may be the reason why God initially did not give them the 10 commandments. If Israel had walked in the faith of Abraham they would have kept 9 of them naturally by the working of God in them. But the one that needs to be known about is the Sabbath commandment. I find it interesting that this happens to be the only commandment God brings to their attention before exodus 20 found in exodus 16. As if through the hundreds of years of slavery they had lost a knowledge of God the creator. Of which Moses fills in the gaps in writing Genesis.
I believe the people of God obeyed these laws even though they were not written down for them. but hundreds of years of slavery resulted in a loss of knowledge and thus God through Moses is restoring it and even having it written so that it would never be forgotten again.
Just some thoughts, I know I have not proved anything here.
The law is an expression of Gods Character as it would be seen in his creation if they bore His image.
As you have stated we see this before the law for Example:
Gen_39:9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?
How did Joseph know this would be a sin against God? I believe He had the law on his heart, He bore the image of God. Adam and Eve would have been made with the law naturally part of who they were until they sinned.
Its interesting that 9 of the 10 commandments would most naturally be kept if one has Gods love in their heart. All they would need to do Is be aware of YHWH and they would naturally keep the first 3. They would naturally keep the last 6 toward men if the love of God was in their hearts.
Just as the first three require a knowledge of God so the fourth requires a knowledge of creation.
I believe this may be the reason why God initially did not give them the 10 commandments. If Israel had walked in the faith of Abraham they would have kept 9 of them naturally by the working of God in them. But the one that needs to be known about is the Sabbath commandment. I find it interesting that this happens to be the only commandment God brings to their attention before exodus 20 found in exodus 16. As if through the hundreds of years of slavery they had lost a knowledge of God the creator. Of which Moses fills in the gaps in writing Genesis.
I believe the people of God obeyed these laws even though they were not written down for them. but hundreds of years of slavery resulted in a loss of knowledge and thus God through Moses is restoring it and even having it written so that it would never be forgotten again.
Just some thoughts, I know I have not proved anything here.
Good thoughts to I may add. As for proving anything, do we really need to prove our love for HaShem to anyone other than Him? The rest in my mind is just an open exchange of ideas, in an attempt to better understand. There is no reason for me to say, your wrong, and I am right. As we all know, it is the LIVING WORD. In that it has a life of it's own, and from one passage can give a new understanding to as many people as read, all at the time they need what they find.
Though I do love talking with folks that keep a level head, even when they don't see something the same way. It when things are talked over, that we find something we may need, or may have just missed.
Talking with you, I must say, is a privilege. I find myself asking if just maybe, HaShem set this up. LOL I am not one to think life is happenstance.
Though I do love talking with folks that keep a level head, even when they don't see something the same way. It when things are talked over, that we find something we may need, or may have just missed.
Talking with you, I must say, is a privilege. I find myself asking if just maybe, HaShem set this up. LOL I am not one to think life is happenstance.
Likewise, the privilege goes both ways.
By prove anything I was simply implying that I have said much but not shown all of it to be true by the word of truth. I don't mind being proved wrong. Because when it happens I have gained truth I was missing before and lost a lie that deceived me. All good things in my book lol.
I appreciate what you bring to this table, much food for thought. I look forward to the discussions and exchange of ideas to come. May we both grow in our love for YHWH and his word. There are a few on here like you who give me great joy to speak to and read their impute.
By prove anything I was simply implying that I have said much but not shown all of it to be true by the word of truth. I don't mind being proved wrong. Because when it happens I have gained truth I was missing before and lost a lie that deceived me. All good things in my book lol.
I appreciate what you bring to this table, much food for thought. I look forward to the discussions and exchange of ideas to come. May we both grow in our love for YHWH and his word. There are a few on here like you who give me great joy to speak to and read their impute.
I am new to this forum and have not bothered to read the preceding 56 posts but this is what I believe to be the reality of the Sabbath.
Paul said that the weekly Sabbath, was but a shadow of that which was in the Future. The Great Sabbath is the Day of The Lord, when he shall judge the whole world with justice.
From the book of Jubilees 4: 30; “And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ’On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die.’ For this reason he did not complete the years of this first day; for he died during it.
Adam died in the first day at the age of 930. The seventh day of one thousand years is the Great Sabbath, ‘The Day Of The Lord.’
Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death. That day, is the seventh day of one thousand years, which is the day of the Lord, the reality of the weekly Sabbath.
According to Jewish time, the first destruction of the Temple of Solomon, was 3338 AM, which is 3338 years from Adam. Our time for that destruction of the temple is 587 BC. So adding 587 to 3338, we see that from the birth of Adam to 1 BC=1AD there is 3925 years, add to that the current date, 2017, (3,925+2017=5,942) and we are now living in the 5,942nd year from the birth of Adam (These dates are very ambiguous) which leaves us another 58 years before the close of the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] day and the beginning of the 7[SUP]th[/SUP], which is the great Sabbath, “The Day of The Lord” the seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930, which day begins after the greatest period of tribulation that this world has ever seen.
The following prophesies are concerning that war to end all wars; which is to be the salvation of the Nation of Israel in the great tribulation, when the Holy City will be surrounded by those nations who would attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea.
(JOEL 3: 14.) "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision. The sun and moon shall be darkened and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and earth shall shake, but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
So shall ye know that I am your Lord God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy and strangers will never again conquer it. (This has not occurred as yet.)(NUMBERS 24: 17-19.) "A King like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his possession. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.
(ZECHARIAH 12: 10.) They shall look upon me, (The anointed one) and see the one they have pierced, (The man Jesus, through who the Lord revealed himself to the world) and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child.
(ISAIAH 63: 1-6.) Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?" It is the Lord powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. "Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?"
The Lord answers, "I have trampled the Nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come, it was time to punish their enemies. I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole Nations and shattered them. I poured out their life"s blood on the earth."
The African tectonic plate grinds against the Arabian plate in its Northern migration, and the fault line between the two, runs through the Red Sea and up the Jordan, right through the Mount of Olives"
(ZECHARIAH 14: 13-20.) Zechariah speaks of the day in which the Lord will save his people. Chapter 14: Behold, the day when the Lord will sit in Judgement is near, then Jerusalem will be looted, and the loot taken from you will be divided in your midst. 2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. "Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations as he has fought in times past. At that time he will stand on the Mount of Olives to the east of Jerusalem. Then the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west by a large valley. Half of the mountain (On the African plate) will move northward, and half of it (On the Arabian plate) will move southward.
The Lord will throw those nations, who would attempt to drive his chosen people into the sea, into a state of confusion, and the weapons of destruction, with which they would destroy Israel, He will cause them to turn upon their own allies, and they will suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue, such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, "cooked to the bone," will slide from their bodies while they are still standing.
Then all the surviving Nations, will send their representatives each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship, and pay tribute to CHRIST=The Anointed one, who raised Jesus from death and who will rule the whole world with a rod of iron and woe betide those who refuse to do so.
Paul said that the weekly Sabbath, was but a shadow of that which was in the Future. The Great Sabbath is the Day of The Lord, when he shall judge the whole world with justice.
From the book of Jubilees 4: 30; “And he (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ’On the day that ye eat thereof ye shall die.’ For this reason he did not complete the years of this first day; for he died during it.
Adam died in the first day at the age of 930. The seventh day of one thousand years is the Great Sabbath, ‘The Day Of The Lord.’
Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death. That day, is the seventh day of one thousand years, which is the day of the Lord, the reality of the weekly Sabbath.
According to Jewish time, the first destruction of the Temple of Solomon, was 3338 AM, which is 3338 years from Adam. Our time for that destruction of the temple is 587 BC. So adding 587 to 3338, we see that from the birth of Adam to 1 BC=1AD there is 3925 years, add to that the current date, 2017, (3,925+2017=5,942) and we are now living in the 5,942nd year from the birth of Adam (These dates are very ambiguous) which leaves us another 58 years before the close of the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] day and the beginning of the 7[SUP]th[/SUP], which is the great Sabbath, “The Day of The Lord” the seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930, which day begins after the greatest period of tribulation that this world has ever seen.
The following prophesies are concerning that war to end all wars; which is to be the salvation of the Nation of Israel in the great tribulation, when the Holy City will be surrounded by those nations who would attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea.
(JOEL 3: 14.) "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision. The sun and moon shall be darkened and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem, and the heavens and earth shall shake, but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel.
So shall ye know that I am your Lord God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy and strangers will never again conquer it. (This has not occurred as yet.)(NUMBERS 24: 17-19.) "A King like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his possession. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.
(ZECHARIAH 12: 10.) They shall look upon me, (The anointed one) and see the one they have pierced, (The man Jesus, through who the Lord revealed himself to the world) and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child.
(ISAIAH 63: 1-6.) Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?" It is the Lord powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. "Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?"
The Lord answers, "I have trampled the Nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come, it was time to punish their enemies. I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole Nations and shattered them. I poured out their life"s blood on the earth."
The African tectonic plate grinds against the Arabian plate in its Northern migration, and the fault line between the two, runs through the Red Sea and up the Jordan, right through the Mount of Olives"
(ZECHARIAH 14: 13-20.) Zechariah speaks of the day in which the Lord will save his people. Chapter 14: Behold, the day when the Lord will sit in Judgement is near, then Jerusalem will be looted, and the loot taken from you will be divided in your midst. 2 For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. "Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations as he has fought in times past. At that time he will stand on the Mount of Olives to the east of Jerusalem. Then the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west by a large valley. Half of the mountain (On the African plate) will move northward, and half of it (On the Arabian plate) will move southward.
The Lord will throw those nations, who would attempt to drive his chosen people into the sea, into a state of confusion, and the weapons of destruction, with which they would destroy Israel, He will cause them to turn upon their own allies, and they will suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue, such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, "cooked to the bone," will slide from their bodies while they are still standing.
Then all the surviving Nations, will send their representatives each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship, and pay tribute to CHRIST=The Anointed one, who raised Jesus from death and who will rule the whole world with a rod of iron and woe betide those who refuse to do so.
Vary well said. I also follow that line of understanding, Just was not sure how to place it out there. Now I don't need to worry about it. LOL May I please have your permission to print what you posted? Asa we have had this discussion in the past, (not on here rather with family), the way you lay it out is much better than I ever did.
I am looking forword to have a lot of open discussion with you my friend, I see there may be a lot to learn.
Welcome, and my your time here be blessed.
I am looking forword to have a lot of open discussion with you my friend, I see there may be a lot to learn.
Welcome, and my your time here be blessed.