The disciples received the Holy Ghost just before Jesus ascended into Heaven , they were only given power to do works while he was with them.
I have shown the verses that signify when the promise of the forever abiding Holy Spirit will be sent and the wording cannot be overlooked that the promise will be sent when Jesus was no longer with them physically but had gone to the Father above; thus referring to His ascension; not His crucifixion.
The poster, wolfwint, has read it and likes it.
The thing you need to acknowledged is that Jesus had given another temporary infilling of the Holy Ghost to the 12 disciples, including Judas Iscariot in Matthew 10th chapter, whom was not a believer that would later betray Him.
Matthew 10:1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;[SUP] 3 [/SUP]Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;[SUP] 4 [/SUP]Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:[SUP] 6 [/SUP]But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel............[SUP]7 [/SUP]And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.[SUP]8 [/SUP]Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.[SUP] 9 [/SUP]Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,[SUP]10 [/SUP]Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat........[SUP]18 [/SUP]And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.[SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
So Judas Iscariot had this power and temporary infilling of the Holy Spirit while Jesus was with them.
Just as the giving of the Holy Spirit by Jesus to His disciples in John 20:21-22 was only temporary because He was still present with them when this had happened.
He said the promise of the Holy Spirit at their salvation will be sent from the Father in His name when He was no longer there physically present with them.
John 14:[SUP]25 [/SUP]These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.[SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Repeating this promise earlier in the chapter:
John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And
I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
So the disciples were told to wait until they had received power from on high because they only had a temporary infilling and they were not ready to go out and preach the Good News yet because they were not officially saved until Pentecost.
All I can say is that you better wake up learn the truth that is set right before your eyes. tongues edify the one who is speaking it if their is no interpreter. what you are doing here is denying the works of the Holy Spirit.
Paul opposes you by testifying that he does not know what is being said by the tongue manifested by the Holy Spirit which is why he prayed that someone will interpret it so that the tongue will be fruitful to himself in 1 Corinthians 14th chapter.
Tongue speakers are taking verse 2 out of context when Paul was trying to explain why believers when they seek a spiritual gift, they should seek the gift of prophesy and began explaining why by comparing the gift of tongue against the gift of prophesy, and he was not meaning to say in verse 2 that tongues is a stand alone gift when no man understands him, not even himself, but God understands it which is why prophesy is better because that tongue in verse 2 is the same tongue spoken of in that whole chapter as needing interpretation because God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people.
There is no benefit to speaking in tongues to the tongue speaker until it is interpreted by another for that tongue speaker for that tongue to be fruitful to him. That is why the gift of prophesy is better because tongues requires interpretation. That is the point when comparing tongues against prophesy.
1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.[SUP] 4 [/SUP]He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.[SUP]6 [/SUP]Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?..............
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth,
but my understanding is unfruitful. [SUP]15 [/SUP]What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
Paul said it. No benefit to speaking in tongues towards himself unless it is interpreted.
Paul was never trying to say how great tongues was by itself, but why prophesy was better than tongues. The way you guys are going in this thread in saying tongues can come without interpretation and that there are benefits to this tongue, you make it sound as if Paul did not know what he was talking about because clearly by this thread, tongues by itself is so much better where you do not need any one else nor the church because of all those benefits by speaking in tongues without interpretation.
1 Corinthians 12:[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now are they many members, yet but one body.[SUP]21 [/SUP]And the eye cannot say unto the hand,
I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet,
I have no need of you.
Now does that sound about right or not? If not, then the title of the thread opposes you if you are saying that tongues isn't that great where tongue speakers do not need a church to go to..