Good answer. Although I really must wonder, do we truly have a better understanding that Adam? Think about it, Adam get to speak with HaShem, and learn from Him. Were as we are 5777 or so years removed. With lots of gaps in true study, and understanding. The Word has been being twisted, for way longer than 2000 years. I myself, simply can not see that as furthering knowledge. It looks to me more like a handicap, then a help.
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2 Corinthians 3:14-17 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart;
[SUP]16 [/SUP] but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Until we turn to the Lord and believe what He has done in His finished work on the cross and resurrection - we will continue to replace Him for what we do or don't do - and the veil will remain over our minds because we are still living from the Old Covenant mindset that is a mere shadow of the real substance which is Christ Himself.
He is our true Sabbath rest in the New Covenant.
( In saying that - people are free in Christ to observe a day how they choose.
But when they say we must observe the Sabbath as in the Old Testament or Christians are sinning and dis-obeying God - these are Judaizers and Paul said that he didn't stand for this for even one hour "so that" the truth of the gospel will remain with them in Galatia. )
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that is about principle my friend, It does not matter of work for money or not If in our heart we do It for love, It is OK,
let say we help other, but for fame that is bad.
i believe new testament is about what is the motive, rather than regulation.
one my keep sabbath but not deign in HIS eyes
remember a widow in the temple give 25 cent but in God eyes, she give more than a rich man that give $ 1000.
now we are under the law of love. Not shadow anymore.
my friend not Eat pork, not drink tea. He does not believe hell is forever.
all he believe is shadow.
let say we help other, but for fame that is bad.
i believe new testament is about what is the motive, rather than regulation.
one my keep sabbath but not deign in HIS eyes
remember a widow in the temple give 25 cent but in God eyes, she give more than a rich man that give $ 1000.
now we are under the law of love. Not shadow anymore.
my friend not Eat pork, not drink tea. He does not believe hell is forever.
all he believe is shadow.
Hi Grace777
I do not have any problem with any of the scriptures you quoted just the statements afterwards. Maybe I do not understand why you posted them? From previous conversations with you however, you believe that we think we are saved by the works of the law. Far from it my friend. In fact I do not know of one person here who thinks we are saved by what we can do or by the works of the law. I cant speak for everyone but I believe that we are saved by complete dependence and faith in a crucified and risen savior to save a sinner of whom I am chief and by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matt 4:4).
I think maybe where we differ is that I believe that Jesus is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes. That is Jesus saves us from our sins by the power of His Word and also that if we profess to follow Jesus while practicing known sin we are not following him and are not saved and this is not a saving faith.
If God asks us to do something we must do it and follow him because he asks us to do it. Why? Because we love him. You fail to see that Jesus himself says to us that the new covenant experience is that If we love him we will keep His commandments(John 14:15). Not because we can obey Him because we cannot. We are sinners in need of salvation. But we have a savoir that can save us from our sins as we have complete faith and dependence in His Word's to do what they says they will do. It is God that works in us both to do and to will of His own good pleasure (Phil 2:13).
What is sin? It is unbelief (Rom 14:23) and disobedience to God's Law (Word) "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." (1John 3:4).
God tells us to "Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy" (Ex 20:8-11).... It is the 7th Day of the creation week that God made for mankind as part of His finished work of creation. It is very clear from God's Word that the 7th Day Sabbath is a DAY that God made, Jesus is the creator and owner of this day which he calls the "Lord's Day" and this day was made for mankind (Gen 2:1-3; Mark 2:27-28). It is also one of God's 10 commandments (Ex 20:8-11) and if we knowingly trample upon it we disobey God and this unbelief leads to sin and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23).
The message is come to us today "Fear God and give glory to Him because the hour of God's Judgement has come and worship Him that made the heavens and the earth and the sea and the fountains and the waters. (Rev 14:6-7)
God's people in the last generation are clearly defined in the Word of God. "Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Rev 14:12).
"Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon." (Isa 55:6-7)
God bless you and good night.
I do not have any problem with any of the scriptures you quoted just the statements afterwards. Maybe I do not understand why you posted them? From previous conversations with you however, you believe that we think we are saved by the works of the law. Far from it my friend. In fact I do not know of one person here who thinks we are saved by what we can do or by the works of the law. I cant speak for everyone but I believe that we are saved by complete dependence and faith in a crucified and risen savior to save a sinner of whom I am chief and by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matt 4:4).
I think maybe where we differ is that I believe that Jesus is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes. That is Jesus saves us from our sins by the power of His Word and also that if we profess to follow Jesus while practicing known sin we are not following him and are not saved and this is not a saving faith.
If God asks us to do something we must do it and follow him because he asks us to do it. Why? Because we love him. You fail to see that Jesus himself says to us that the new covenant experience is that If we love him we will keep His commandments(John 14:15). Not because we can obey Him because we cannot. We are sinners in need of salvation. But we have a savoir that can save us from our sins as we have complete faith and dependence in His Word's to do what they says they will do. It is God that works in us both to do and to will of His own good pleasure (Phil 2:13).
What is sin? It is unbelief (Rom 14:23) and disobedience to God's Law (Word) "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." (1John 3:4).
God tells us to "Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it Holy" (Ex 20:8-11).... It is the 7th Day of the creation week that God made for mankind as part of His finished work of creation. It is very clear from God's Word that the 7th Day Sabbath is a DAY that God made, Jesus is the creator and owner of this day which he calls the "Lord's Day" and this day was made for mankind (Gen 2:1-3; Mark 2:27-28). It is also one of God's 10 commandments (Ex 20:8-11) and if we knowingly trample upon it we disobey God and this unbelief leads to sin and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23).
The message is come to us today "Fear God and give glory to Him because the hour of God's Judgement has come and worship Him that made the heavens and the earth and the sea and the fountains and the waters. (Rev 14:6-7)
God's people in the last generation are clearly defined in the Word of God. "Here is the patience of the saints, here are they that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus" (Rev 14:12).
"Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near: Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon." (Isa 55:6-7)
God bless you and good night.
Hi Jackson123,
You are free to do whatever you like. You are not held accountable to me my friend but only to God for your actions. However our opinions do not matter with God. It is only God's Words that matter and what you do with God's Word when he send His Word to you. All of us must ask ourselves everyday. Do I really believe the Word of God? Am I really following Jesus?
God bless you my friend and may God help you as you study His Words. Good night my friend lat my time chat latter
You are free to do whatever you like. You are not held accountable to me my friend but only to God for your actions. However our opinions do not matter with God. It is only God's Words that matter and what you do with God's Word when he send His Word to you. All of us must ask ourselves everyday. Do I really believe the Word of God? Am I really following Jesus?
God bless you my friend and may God help you as you study His Words. Good night my friend lat my time chat latter
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Galatians 3:10-14
[FONT="]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Those that are of the works of the law are under the curse. So if you look back to the law in the OT and say "Oh, theres one that I can keep" then you are under the curse. Because the law comes as an entire, do it yourself, package.
IF you finally figure out that you can't do it, you can't be righteous by your works, then the Lord Jesus Christ is there to be your Saviour from the curse that is contained in the law.
Funny that the lawyers never talk about the curse that is contained in the law. You ever wonder why not?
You know where there is no curse for you? In the Lord Jesus Christ. And only the Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT="]10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Those that are of the works of the law are under the curse. So if you look back to the law in the OT and say "Oh, theres one that I can keep" then you are under the curse. Because the law comes as an entire, do it yourself, package.
IF you finally figure out that you can't do it, you can't be righteous by your works, then the Lord Jesus Christ is there to be your Saviour from the curse that is contained in the law.
Funny that the lawyers never talk about the curse that is contained in the law. You ever wonder why not?
You know where there is no curse for you? In the Lord Jesus Christ. And only the Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
in the NT, the form
give thanks,
then break bread is a way of describing communion, imo.
When he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “Take, eat. This is my body, which is broken for you. Do this in memory of me.”
When he had sat down at the table with them, he took the bread and gave thanks. Breaking it, he gave to them.
give thanks,
then break bread is a way of describing communion, imo.
When he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “Take, eat. This is my body, which is broken for you. Do this in memory of me.”
When he had sat down at the table with them, he took the bread and gave thanks. Breaking it, he gave to them.
So, we are still playing that game that the Old Testament is the way of salvation. It's obvious you cannot see that Jesus Himself is our true Sabbath rest and that all of creation speaks of Him and I understand that.
You are free in Christ ( if Christ is in you ) to observe any day you like.
Let me ask you the same question that you have never answered directly yet after 5 attempts to get the truth from you.
Here it is again:
If a Christian doesn't observe the Sabbath day as in in the Old Testament - is he/she dis-obeying God and sinning?
The answer is either "yes or no." so please don't be giving a bunch of unrelated scriptures - just speak the truth as you believe it to be in your own mind. It's a "yes or No" answer.
I like to see what is really behind beliefs. Thank you for being straight forward with us this time. We will appreciate it.