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Hi Grace777,
Well this is what we should be doing. Let’s talk about God’s Word shall we?
Absolutely no need to do this anymore its part of the ordinance written by Moses that was nailed to the Cross and is the context to Colossians Chapter 2 which is a shadow pointing to Jesus as out Great High Priest.
Absolutely! The Law of God shows us that we are sinners in need of a Saviour. If you have no Law you have no knowledge of sin if there is no knowledge of sin there is no need of a Saviour if we have no Saviour we are most.
Absolutely! Love God’s Word. Thank you for sharing it. Do you believe God’s Word? “Mad does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God.” (Matt 4:4)
Did you know that everything in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament? God’s Word is AMAZING! “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” (2Tim 3:16)
People are free to do anything they like in life but we all shall be accountable to God for the things that we do. Unbelief and not doing what God asks us to do and breaking God’s 10 commandments is sin and the wages of sin is death (Rom 14:23; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23) Luckily God sent us Jesus to save us from our sins.
If we are professing to know God however while living in known sin the Word of God tells us…
“Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.” (1John 3: 6)
“Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1John 3:8)
The real thing can be found here in God’s Word ……
V1 “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.” V2 “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
V3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. (Gen 2:1-3)
God’s Word clearly tells us that Jesus is the God of creation and maker of the Sabbath and we follow him because it is the Lord’s Day that he made for us….
“And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.” (Mark 2:27)
“Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.” (Mark 2:28)
Now this is fun lets share some more from God’s Word.
God bless you.
Well this is what we should be doing. Let’s talk about God’s Word shall we?
Absolutely no need to do this anymore its part of the ordinance written by Moses that was nailed to the Cross and is the context to Colossians Chapter 2 which is a shadow pointing to Jesus as out Great High Priest.
Absolutely! The Law of God shows us that we are sinners in need of a Saviour. If you have no Law you have no knowledge of sin if there is no knowledge of sin there is no need of a Saviour if we have no Saviour we are most.
Absolutely! Love God’s Word. Thank you for sharing it. Do you believe God’s Word? “Mad does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God.” (Matt 4:4)
Did you know that everything in the New Testament comes from the Old Testament? God’s Word is AMAZING! “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” (2Tim 3:16)
People are free to do anything they like in life but we all shall be accountable to God for the things that we do. Unbelief and not doing what God asks us to do and breaking God’s 10 commandments is sin and the wages of sin is death (Rom 14:23; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23) Luckily God sent us Jesus to save us from our sins.
If we are professing to know God however while living in known sin the Word of God tells us…
“Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him.” (1John 3: 6)
“Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” (1John 3:8)
The real thing can be found here in God’s Word ……
V1 “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.” V2 “And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
V3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. (Gen 2:1-3)
God’s Word clearly tells us that Jesus is the God of creation and maker of the Sabbath and we follow him because it is the Lord’s Day that he made for us….
“And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.” (Mark 2:27)
“Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.” (Mark 2:28)
Now this is fun lets share some more from God’s Word.
God bless you.
...And Genesis chapter 2 has NOTHING to do with the Sabbath or Sabbath-keeping!
First mention comes as part of the giving of the law to Moses....the same law that no Christian is subject to for the sake of righteousness.
Sabbath-keeping along with the rest of the law was fulfilled by Jesus Christ by his vicarious sacrifice on the cross.
There is no case that can be made to mandate Sabbath-keeping for Christians.
Simple as that!
First mention comes as part of the giving of the law to Moses....the same law that no Christian is subject to for the sake of righteousness.
Sabbath-keeping along with the rest of the law was fulfilled by Jesus Christ by his vicarious sacrifice on the cross.
There is no case that can be made to mandate Sabbath-keeping for Christians.
Simple as that!
None of this is telling people to observe the Sabbath day as outlined in the law of Moses. It is speaking of Christ Himself as being our true Sabbath rest.
I am sharing God's word with you. Stop trying to Judaize Christians to desert Christ for the law of Moses. We will not desert our Lord and some will stand against your Judaizing attempts to pervert the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work.
Galatians 3:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Galatians 3:24-26 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 4:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Hebrews 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
James 2:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
The reason I don't get into long debates about law-keeping of which Sabbath keeping is a part of - is that it is useless and unprofitable and Paul says to avoid them.
Titus 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
Enough has been said to warn Christians from this type of false doctrine and trying to bring Christians under the law again and thus nullify the very grace of God needed to walk in this life what Christ ahs already done in His finished work on the cross and resurrection.
I am sharing God's word with you. Stop trying to Judaize Christians to desert Christ for the law of Moses. We will not desert our Lord and some will stand against your Judaizing attempts to pervert the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work.
Galatians 3:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Galatians 3:24-26 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 4:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Hebrews 7:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
James 2:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
The reason I don't get into long debates about law-keeping of which Sabbath keeping is a part of - is that it is useless and unprofitable and Paul says to avoid them.
Titus 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless.
Enough has been said to warn Christians from this type of false doctrine and trying to bring Christians under the law again and thus nullify the very grace of God needed to walk in this life what Christ ahs already done in His finished work on the cross and resurrection.
I answer you Fran - you just don't like the answer and I can understand that.
And this here is a prime example of why I don't interact with you unless it's absolutely needed - coming in a thread to accuse someone of things that you are not involved in is one of the reasons why I limit my interaction with you.
It's this type of behavior that makes me avoid from interacting with you just as Paul says to do in Rom. 16;17.
And this here is a prime example of why I don't interact with you unless it's absolutely needed - coming in a thread to accuse someone of things that you are not involved in is one of the reasons why I limit my interaction with you.
It's this type of behavior that makes me avoid from interacting with you just as Paul says to do in Rom. 16;17.
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The fact that you are blind to the fact that Genesis chapter 2 has nothing to do with Sabbath-keeping is your burden - not mine.
Neither you nor beta can provide any proof that Genesis chapter 2 presents a command to observing the Sabbath.
Unfortunately, you (and those that incorrectly promote Sabbath-keeping) have to find some justification to introduce the Sabbath BEFORE the law was given to Moses.
Hence the appeal to Genesis 2:1-2.
However, it has nothing to with man, or ANY command to man.
And the reason for this frenzied, and totally false, claim that the Sabbath can be justified from Genesis chapter 2 is because you know as well as I do that ALL Mosaic law has been fulfilled by Jesus Christ on the cross.
And so you cannot afford to admit that Sabbath-keeping is part of the law of Moses.
Because, if Sabbath-keeping is only a part of the law of Moses, and it is, then no Christian is obliged to observe the Sabbath!
Your whole convoluted and complicated theology is just a house of cards - and the bottom card has just been flicked away, and the rest is just disintegrating!
Neither you nor beta can provide any proof that Genesis chapter 2 presents a command to observing the Sabbath.
Unfortunately, you (and those that incorrectly promote Sabbath-keeping) have to find some justification to introduce the Sabbath BEFORE the law was given to Moses.
Hence the appeal to Genesis 2:1-2.
However, it has nothing to with man, or ANY command to man.
And the reason for this frenzied, and totally false, claim that the Sabbath can be justified from Genesis chapter 2 is because you know as well as I do that ALL Mosaic law has been fulfilled by Jesus Christ on the cross.
And so you cannot afford to admit that Sabbath-keeping is part of the law of Moses.
Because, if Sabbath-keeping is only a part of the law of Moses, and it is, then no Christian is obliged to observe the Sabbath!
Your whole convoluted and complicated theology is just a house of cards - and the bottom card has just been flicked away, and the rest is just disintegrating!
That is the sixteenth century.
The Catholic teachings change from time to time because they are in error. Unfortunately sometimes they change from one error to another. How sad they believe themselves to hold the Truth of God's Word when they are far from it.
Most of us already know that you agree with heresies of the RCC.
You seem to constantly overlook that people say that works proceed from faith once a person is already saved. You are blind to it and willfully so, and then misrepresent what others say, and constantly are on the attack yourself. This has been pointed out to you repeatedly and repeatedly you continue in your falseness. You seem quite attached to it.
What it means is in Scripture. Perhaps you need to do a little more reading? Apparently decades of study was not enough for you. The natural man does not accept the Spiritual things of God, after all.
The Catholic teachings change from time to time because they are in error. Unfortunately sometimes they change from one error to another. How sad they believe themselves to hold the Truth of God's Word when they are far from it.
Most of us already know that you agree with heresies of the RCC.
You seem to constantly overlook that people say that works proceed from faith once a person is already saved. You are blind to it and willfully so, and then misrepresent what others say, and constantly are on the attack yourself. This has been pointed out to you repeatedly and repeatedly you continue in your falseness. You seem quite attached to it.
What it means is in Scripture. Perhaps you need to do a little more reading? Apparently decades of study was not enough for you. The natural man does not accept the Spiritual things of God, after all.
Well said!
The Judaizers of Paul's day that said that Christians needed to be circumcised had a better "Old Testament biblical reason" then the Sabbath Keepers have today that are trying to pervert the gospel.
Abraham is the father of faith and God told him that he and his descendents needed to be circumcised in order to be in the covenant. Why don't we "obey God" today and all Christians get circumcised? Don't we want to be in the covenant?
I can just hear the cry of the Judaizers trying to deceive the Galatians back in Paul's day -
"Don't you believe the word of God? Why do you not trust and obey the Word of God? Don't you love Jesus? Jesus keep all the Father's commandments - why don't you? I am just sharing the word of God to you - why are you not being a berean?"
I just love the spiritual witchcraft that is trying to be employed here. It's just a work of the flesh. Gal. 5:19 - I don't fall for this nonsense.
What did Paul say about these types coming to Christians to pervert the gospel?
Paul said that he did not stand for the Judaizers message for one hour so that the truth would remain with them. Gal. 2:5
Galatians 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
The Judaizers of Paul's day that said that Christians needed to be circumcised had a better "Old Testament biblical reason" then the Sabbath Keepers have today that are trying to pervert the gospel.
Abraham is the father of faith and God told him that he and his descendents needed to be circumcised in order to be in the covenant. Why don't we "obey God" today and all Christians get circumcised? Don't we want to be in the covenant?
I can just hear the cry of the Judaizers trying to deceive the Galatians back in Paul's day -
"Don't you believe the word of God? Why do you not trust and obey the Word of God? Don't you love Jesus? Jesus keep all the Father's commandments - why don't you? I am just sharing the word of God to you - why are you not being a berean?"
I just love the spiritual witchcraft that is trying to be employed here. It's just a work of the flesh. Gal. 5:19 - I don't fall for this nonsense.
What did Paul say about these types coming to Christians to pervert the gospel?
Paul said that he did not stand for the Judaizers message for one hour so that the truth would remain with them. Gal. 2:5
Galatians 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
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I see the difference in the 2, I in way intended to say there wasn't. If that impression was left I am sorry. I was simply pointing out that we do follow more than just the 10. Even any that wish the removal of the Law act with it. Though they will not say as much, they will also not answer question that are intended to show it.
Hi graceNpeace
How are you? I am not here to argue with you my friend and there is no need to be mad at me. I have only presented God’s Word to you. Weather you want to accept it or not its up to you. But at least study for yourself and ask God. You are not angry with me but the Words of God that I have shared with you because they conflict with your opinions. God's Word does not conflict with itself. If you find you have an interpretation of the Word of God that conflicts with other parts of scripture you need to ask God if your view is correct of not and search for the truth in God's Word asking Jesus for the Holy Spirit to guide and teach you.
So far I have posted close to 150+ scriptures from God’s Word just from posts 1157, 1160, 1166, 1168, 1183, 1209, 1218 and whatever other recent posts. Yet you make no attempt to answer any of these posts of Scriptures from God’s Word. All you simply say in return... the sky is purple when God says it is Blue. I am sorry my friend I must follow the Word of God. Our opinions are worth nothing only God’s Word is true. “Yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.” (Rom 3:4)
It is actually quite funny how you say I am blind and Genesis 2 has nothing to do with the Sabbath. Yet I can see the Sabbath there and you cannot (Go and compare Gen 2:1-3 with Ex 20:8-11). The Sabbath is not a burden it’s a delight you should try it. It’s a time to ride on the high places of the earth with Jesus who is the creator of the 7th Day Sabbath or the Lord’s Day (Isa 58:13-14, Mark 2:27-28)
Actually Genesis is not needed at all to prove that the Sabbath is still binding on man today. It's just a good place to start because it is were the Sabbath started as part of the finished work of creation and the 7th Day of the creation week (Gen 2:1-3) God's Word clearly shows that the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath is still a commandment of God today after the fall of mankind. If I can show you that you do not need to talk about the creation week and still show God's 7th Day Sabbath from the Word of God does that mean you will believe God's Word? I am happy to do this if you like just let me know. However even if I do this I know you will not believe it no matter how many scriptures that are posted because you do not believe all of God’s Words just the sections that support what you want to believe. As for me if God say something we must follow him.
Well here is an AMAZING thing. If you want to call sharing God’s Word with you about the Sabbath a frenzied and false claim show me from the Word of God how anything that I have said from posts 1157, 1160, 1166, 1168, 1183, 1209, 1218 and whatever other recent posts I have made is a false claim. To date you and others that believe like you do have not bothered to answered one scripture or one post with over 150+ bible texts that have been posted.
Neither have you or anyone else against what I have said have even bothered to reply to these posts with God’s Word showing me why they think something is not correct. All I have received are posts wanting to attack the messenger instead of the message. Which is not my message by the way. It is the Word of God and if God says it why do you not believe it? You can't close your eyes to the Word of God no matter how hard you try this it will still be there when you open your eyes and you are accountable to Him not me. All I am doing is sharing the Word of God with you because God says I must.
Let me ask you a very simple question my friend and see how true your claims are above. What is the Mosaic Law that has been done away with that is no longer relevant to the Christian? Looking forward to your answer.
All I have done is share God’s Word with you. I am sorry you feel the way you do. I love God’s Word and must follow Jesus and hope you can too….
God’s Sheep hear His Voice.
Ok time to rest for now God bless you all and wish you all much love and peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. To Him who loved us and washed us in His own Blood be the glory forever and ever. Amen
God bless you
How are you? I am not here to argue with you my friend and there is no need to be mad at me. I have only presented God’s Word to you. Weather you want to accept it or not its up to you. But at least study for yourself and ask God. You are not angry with me but the Words of God that I have shared with you because they conflict with your opinions. God's Word does not conflict with itself. If you find you have an interpretation of the Word of God that conflicts with other parts of scripture you need to ask God if your view is correct of not and search for the truth in God's Word asking Jesus for the Holy Spirit to guide and teach you.
So far I have posted close to 150+ scriptures from God’s Word just from posts 1157, 1160, 1166, 1168, 1183, 1209, 1218 and whatever other recent posts. Yet you make no attempt to answer any of these posts of Scriptures from God’s Word. All you simply say in return... the sky is purple when God says it is Blue. I am sorry my friend I must follow the Word of God. Our opinions are worth nothing only God’s Word is true. “Yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, that thou might be justified in thy sayings, and might overcome when thou art judged.” (Rom 3:4)
It is actually quite funny how you say I am blind and Genesis 2 has nothing to do with the Sabbath. Yet I can see the Sabbath there and you cannot (Go and compare Gen 2:1-3 with Ex 20:8-11). The Sabbath is not a burden it’s a delight you should try it. It’s a time to ride on the high places of the earth with Jesus who is the creator of the 7th Day Sabbath or the Lord’s Day (Isa 58:13-14, Mark 2:27-28)
Actually Genesis is not needed at all to prove that the Sabbath is still binding on man today. It's just a good place to start because it is were the Sabbath started as part of the finished work of creation and the 7th Day of the creation week (Gen 2:1-3) God's Word clearly shows that the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath is still a commandment of God today after the fall of mankind. If I can show you that you do not need to talk about the creation week and still show God's 7th Day Sabbath from the Word of God does that mean you will believe God's Word? I am happy to do this if you like just let me know. However even if I do this I know you will not believe it no matter how many scriptures that are posted because you do not believe all of God’s Words just the sections that support what you want to believe. As for me if God say something we must follow him.
Well here is an AMAZING thing. If you want to call sharing God’s Word with you about the Sabbath a frenzied and false claim show me from the Word of God how anything that I have said from posts 1157, 1160, 1166, 1168, 1183, 1209, 1218 and whatever other recent posts I have made is a false claim. To date you and others that believe like you do have not bothered to answered one scripture or one post with over 150+ bible texts that have been posted.
Neither have you or anyone else against what I have said have even bothered to reply to these posts with God’s Word showing me why they think something is not correct. All I have received are posts wanting to attack the messenger instead of the message. Which is not my message by the way. It is the Word of God and if God says it why do you not believe it? You can't close your eyes to the Word of God no matter how hard you try this it will still be there when you open your eyes and you are accountable to Him not me. All I am doing is sharing the Word of God with you because God says I must.
Let me ask you a very simple question my friend and see how true your claims are above. What is the Mosaic Law that has been done away with that is no longer relevant to the Christian? Looking forward to your answer.
All I have done is share God’s Word with you. I am sorry you feel the way you do. I love God’s Word and must follow Jesus and hope you can too….
God’s Sheep hear His Voice.
Ok time to rest for now God bless you all and wish you all much love and peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. To Him who loved us and washed us in His own Blood be the glory forever and ever. Amen
God bless you
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