Tongue Speaker's Survey
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Interesting that you would forbid prophesy yet covet speaking in tongues, wonder why Paul instructed not to forbid it.
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
1 Cor 14:39
Seems like Job believed that the audible word comes from the flesh,
2 Behold, now I have opened my mouth, my tongue hath spoken in my mouth.
3 My words shall be of the uprightness of my heart: and my lips shall utter knowledge clearly.
Job 33:2-3
yet wait that wasn't Job that said yet rather it was the one who the LORD asked Job who darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge.
For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether. Ps 139:4
Isn't prayer communicating to the LORD by thought, I knew thoughts had neurons but didn't know neurons had tongues.
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
1 Cor 14:39
Seems like Job believed that the audible word comes from the flesh,
2 Behold, now I have opened my mouth, my tongue hath spoken in my mouth.
3 My words shall be of the uprightness of my heart: and my lips shall utter knowledge clearly.
Job 33:2-3
yet wait that wasn't Job that said yet rather it was the one who the LORD asked Job who darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge.
For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O LORD, thou knowest it altogether. Ps 139:4
Isn't prayer communicating to the LORD by thought, I knew thoughts had neurons but didn't know neurons had tongues.
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well you just got here
get back to me after 8 months or so if you make it that long and let me know if you are fed up with the mocking and denying what scriptures states as plain as the nose on a dog's face
you are right about it being a mess
a hot mess and ask yourself why people go out of their way to do this sort of thing and will never actually post a thread that is helpful or encouraging
they believe they are doing God a favor here by pre-judging people so God does not have such a long lineup at the end
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Why do people bring up that I've not been here long enough? I wasn't just born and lack experience.. New to this site but not to the world or criticism of belief.. I do get tired, but I work on myself to not always get caught up because their actions aren't mine to correct just because I don't like them.. makes me feel heavy and I get tricked into carrying weight that's not mine..
I would offer not when he was saved but the continuing washing and renewing cleansing a person of all sin as the unseen work that does save. Ceremonial laws that are used when a new Priest desires to be part of the priesthood of believers do not wash away sin. It's a shadow of Him who does.
The roots of baptism did not originate on this side of the cross but is rather an Old Testament ordinance.
All Christians are considered kings as a kingdom of priest after the order of Aaron the Levite .Even Christ from the tribe of Judah needed that he be washed ceremonially by a Levite before he Himself was qualified to baptize others who also desired to be part of the kingdom of priest
Baptism gets its foundation from the Old Testament. It what the unconverted Jew discussed in John 3:25.
Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. Joh 3:25
1Co 4:8 Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.
The roots of baptism did not originate on this side of the cross but is rather an Old Testament ordinance.
All Christians are considered kings as a kingdom of priest after the order of Aaron the Levite .Even Christ from the tribe of Judah needed that he be washed ceremonially by a Levite before he Himself was qualified to baptize others who also desired to be part of the kingdom of priest
Baptism gets its foundation from the Old Testament. It what the unconverted Jew discussed in John 3:25.
Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. Joh 3:25
1Co 4:8 Now ye are full, now ye are rich, ye have reigned as kings without us: and I would to God ye did reign, that we also might reign with you.
So you were saved and then later on, you had prayed to the Father to speak in tongues and that was when you had received the Holy Spirit "again" in getting that tongue?
So you would identify with option 3 from the poll?
I am glad, but there are tongue speakers out there that do say that.... even indirectly.
My next door neighbor was reading her Bible one day at the kitchen table when she claimed the Holy Spirit came over her ans she began speaking in tongues. I had asked her what she was reading that led her to believe in Jesus Christ. She had said that she did not know what I had meant. Then she must have figured it out because she went on to say that she had gone to her pastor and asked him what had happened to her when she was a believer for most of her life. She reported that the pastor pointed to the Book of Acts which I can only assume Acts 2 when the disciples were all waiting as instructed by the Lord. Anyway... setting that assumption aside, she went on to explain that incident again proclaiming that was when she got saved when she got the Holy Spirit & tongues all at once.
Now indirectly, to any hearer, that is like saying if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore you are not saved, but as it is, she moved her salvation date to when she believed that was the Holy Spirit coming over her, in bringing that tongue.
She went on to speak in general of other people sharing similar accounts in her church for which she rolled her eyes at and did not care to explain that disbelief further, but I suspected she was thinking people were hogging the spotlight away from her with ridiculous accounts as to when it happened when she was reading her Bible.
Anyway... indirectly, you are testifying to the third option in the survey as receiving the Holy Spirit "again" when you got that tongue.
No. There are no mysteries to the Father. That is why mysteries are to the hearers of that tongue speaker. And evidence that this is being done publicly is how Paul was trying to compare tongues to prophesy as to why prophesy is better than tongues when any believer is zealous for spiritual gift, because tongues is not a stand alone gift. It has to come with interpretation or it is not of Him at all.
1 Corinthians 14:1Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Paul was explaining why prophesy is better than tongues because only God understands him, but not men for the reason why it has to come with interpretation and thus it is not a stand alone gift, but the gift of prophesy can stand alone.
Nowhere does it say Holy Spirit is the One praying in tongues.
In context, Paul is saying that when any one speaks in tongues, they are to pray that someone else may interpret that tongue so that tongue will be fruitful to the tongue speaker.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.[SUP]15 [/SUP]What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
KJV has verse 2 different; your message is getting askewed in the NASB.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
You either believe the Holy Spirit is manifesting tongues or his spirit is speaking. See? NASB does not really share the same message f the KJV nor what you are trying to say, because in the KJV, Paul is talking aboit 2 different things in relation to praying and speaking in tongues. Verse 2 is the Holy Spirit speaking..... whereas in the spiritual realm he is speaking mysteries because no man understands him.
In verse 14-15, Paul is the one praying by his own spirit that someone else may interpret the tongue that is being manifested by the Holy Spirit in him.
Anyway.. thanks for sharing. As you see by my reply why I still disagree with what you are applying in the scripture about tongues being used without interpretation, because that is not what I am reading in the KJV.
I do not think you guys are paying attention to what other tongue speakers are saying. Those who speak differently, know not to vote in this survey, because they know you will get on their cases for saying tongues are a sign when you are saved or that you can receive the Holy Spirit "again" after salvation by a sign of tongues; and yet tongues are not to serve as a sign towards believers for anything.
Grace777x70 had indirectly identified with option 3. He testified he had received Christ and yet later on when praying at his bedside, had received the Holy Spirit when he got that gift of tongue.
Scripture testifies that once you receive the Holy Spirit at your salvation, the Father will not give the Holy Spirit again for any other reasons for that would make Him look evil as if He did not give you the Holy Spirit the first time when you were saved for knocking at the door of Jesus Christ to be saved.
Luke 11:[SUP]9 [/SUP]And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. [SUP]11 [/SUP]If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? [SUP]13 [/SUP]If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Grace777x70 had indirectly identified with option 3. He testified he had received Christ and yet later on when praying at his bedside, had received the Holy Spirit when he got that gift of tongue.
Scripture testifies that once you receive the Holy Spirit at your salvation, the Father will not give the Holy Spirit again for any other reasons for that would make Him look evil as if He did not give you the Holy Spirit the first time when you were saved for knocking at the door of Jesus Christ to be saved.
Luke 11:[SUP]9 [/SUP]And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. [SUP]11 [/SUP]If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? 12Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? [SUP]13 [/SUP]If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
In your opinion.
Ichabod actually mean the glory of the Lord has departed.
I heard Him say that to me at a budget meeting at my former church when they began to place the building fund in an account to earn interests while they wait till they get enough money to redo the old church section into creating more rooms for Sunday school classes.
A short time afterwards, He led me to read what Ichabod meant.
I don't think I knew it was about how they were handling the building fund, but later on, I found out that people gave less to the church from my Dad for doing that. They never did use that fund for what it was intended for. After so many years have gone by, they had been taking from that account to pay church's expenses until they used what was left of the building fund to put in an elevator. And that was that. The glory of the Lord of His indescribable gift for providing for the church had departed, but I did not piece all that together for the reason I heard Ichabod at that time, being just a teenager.
This dictionary online says the definition differently, but it refers still to the glory that has departed; not the Spirit.
I could see how it could relate to the Spirit in the O.T., but in the christian faith since He never leaves any believer, it has to be glory of the Lord in that way.
Ephesians 4:[SUP]30 [/SUP]And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Ichabod
Ichabod actually mean the glory of the Lord has departed.
I heard Him say that to me at a budget meeting at my former church when they began to place the building fund in an account to earn interests while they wait till they get enough money to redo the old church section into creating more rooms for Sunday school classes.
A short time afterwards, He led me to read what Ichabod meant.
I don't think I knew it was about how they were handling the building fund, but later on, I found out that people gave less to the church from my Dad for doing that. They never did use that fund for what it was intended for. After so many years have gone by, they had been taking from that account to pay church's expenses until they used what was left of the building fund to put in an elevator. And that was that. The glory of the Lord of His indescribable gift for providing for the church had departed, but I did not piece all that together for the reason I heard Ichabod at that time, being just a teenager.
This dictionary online says the definition differently, but it refers still to the glory that has departed; not the Spirit.
I could see how it could relate to the Spirit in the O.T., but in the christian faith since He never leaves any believer, it has to be glory of the Lord in that way.
Ephesians 4:[SUP]30 [/SUP]And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Ichabod
That is what it means to be born again of the Spirit. Read John 3rd chapter and see that by believing in Him is how one is born again as Jesus was still explaining to Nicodemus on how one is born again of the Spirit at this link below;
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3&version=KJV
Also, I know how tongue speakers are abusing the Book of Acts to justify preaching to receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation, but Romans 8:9 states plainly that if one does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
This is foundational of the doctrine of salvation.
Acts 19:1-7 had Paul coming across disciples of John the Baptist's and he told them about Jesus for which they got water baptized in Jesus's name afterwards and had received the Holy Spirit as promised at their salvation; and yes, they did speak in tongues.
In Acts 8 when Philip was preaching to the Samaritans and Simon, there was cause for delay because of the fanfare switching from Simon to Philip that Peter & John had to lay hands on them to lift their sights higher to the Lord doing all those things and not Philip. Even Simon was still stuck in that mentality when seeing Peter & John laying on of hands, thinking he can buy that power, and it was a rebuke and warning to turn to the Lord that lifted his sight higher to be saved, but Simon nor any of the Samaritans were saved until they had received the promise.
So I assume that you are voting for receiving the Holy Spirit separate from salvation by a sign of tongues?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3&version=KJV
Also, I know how tongue speakers are abusing the Book of Acts to justify preaching to receive the Holy Spirit separate from salvation, but Romans 8:9 states plainly that if one does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.
This is foundational of the doctrine of salvation.
Acts 19:1-7 had Paul coming across disciples of John the Baptist's and he told them about Jesus for which they got water baptized in Jesus's name afterwards and had received the Holy Spirit as promised at their salvation; and yes, they did speak in tongues.
In Acts 8 when Philip was preaching to the Samaritans and Simon, there was cause for delay because of the fanfare switching from Simon to Philip that Peter & John had to lay hands on them to lift their sights higher to the Lord doing all those things and not Philip. Even Simon was still stuck in that mentality when seeing Peter & John laying on of hands, thinking he can buy that power, and it was a rebuke and warning to turn to the Lord that lifted his sight higher to be saved, but Simon nor any of the Samaritans were saved until they had received the promise.
So I assume that you are voting for receiving the Holy Spirit separate from salvation by a sign of tongues?