Lesbianism

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The anorexia is the same thing as the homosexuality. These two women have managed to see the scope of their depravity in ways most never do. They are very aware that they cannot, in themselves, have full control over their lives or over their fallenness, and so they took control where they thought they had some.

-- If I cannot have the body I covet, than I will control the body I have.

-- If I cannot control how men see me, I can control removing them from my needs/wants.

-- If I cannot live rightly, I will choose how wrongly I will live.

-- If I am not worthy, than I will degrade myself more.

At least they're not being deluded into thinking good manners is morality. They get they're in terrible shape more than most.

And yet, they try hard to appear normal so as not to be shunned even more than they already feel they are shunned. They work hard at denying who they are.

They see the depravity. They know they desperately need to be accepted as the sinners they are, but they need a way out of that too.

And what do they get from most Christians? "That's wrong! That's disgusting! You're disgusting! Change yourself!"

They're need is real. They need a way out, and we don't offer them the Way out! The Way that accepts us right smack in the middle of our sins, and yet changes us to something wholey better than controlling ourselves and failing. We can acknowledge that we have no control. We have less control than even we think we have, but that's okay, because the Lord is sovereign! He is fully in control. And when he loves us? He works in us something good, and far away from what we could never control. We are no longer degraded. We're upgraded through him.

You have the advantage. You've befriended someone who is already aware of her fallenness, (twice now), and has given up hope. Introduce her to her hope! Introduce them to their hope! A hope that is worthy of sustaining us and changing us to his good.

Isn't that what links us all as humans?

Dan_473 · Jul 9, 2017

Amazing-Grace said:

I am working with a lesbian lady and I also know her partner. I have witnessed to her partner once before and they are both very young...the partner is also very very sick with Anorexia which I believe is yet another attack from the enemy and follows years of different methods of attack, each more severe than the last. This lady openly admits to the fact that when she sought refuge in a church and was prayed over theses evil spirits left her only to return each time she left. Because of her lesbianism she has since shunned the church and neither of them will have anything to do with Jesus or the church.

Now, God has given me a heart for these young ladies and I love them as I would my very own daughters. I especially like the one I work with as she is a lot of fun and we get on so well. I have also tried to witness to this one but she is even more negative towards what I say regarding the Bible....

Which really brings me to my main question...God says in His word that "man should not lie with a man as with a woman" or words to that effect...but does it say anywhere in the Bible that He sees Lesbianism in the same way? We assume He does but in fact does He, or do we simply assume He means the same for both sex's.

Please, I respectfully ask that simple opinions, Biblical points and scripture be used in reply. Please let's not shout anyone down or call people names because they see things a little differently than yourselves. I just want to reach these young ladies and bring them to Christ but I don't want to do it at the expense of what God means and wants....so I ask that we all respect others on this thread. Thank you.

imo

and many see it differently

no, the Bible doesn't talk about female homosexuality.

Amazing-Grace · Jul 9, 2017

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Lynn, you are correct, it's all about control. I think the one with anorexia has a dysfunctional family and as a child I believe she was neglected - still is as far as family is concerned. I kind of get that she totally fell into a relationship where she felt loved and needed. I have met other lesbians where it has become obvious that they chose a woman because they had been mistreated by men in the past. I find that incredibly sad...it's like another person's sin in turn causes one to sin themselves....

One thing is for sure, talking to them about their life choices in the workplace is totally off limits.

Depleted · Jul 9, 2017

Amazing-Grace said:

Before I knew him, my hubby was That Guy! You know the type, the guy who hates God and the Bible, but can pull out all the scripture that supposedly disagrees with each other. And the one who can self-heal himself from rashes through meditation, because there are no miracles. Yeah, That Guy!

And then he went to That Woman! You know the one. She can flip through her Bible to prove it's consistency and potency.

Three weeks of back-and-forthing before God dinked his light on hubby. (And, poor woman. She didn't get to witness that moment, because God dinked his light overnight. Hubby woke up born again. lol)

Want to know her secret weapon? Her women's Bible group. They were praying specifically for future-hubby. And they were sneaky. He gets rashes from cleaning chemicals. And he worked on dirty heaters all the time, so he had to clean the heater and his hands often -- the cause of the rash. So they even prayed against self-meditation working to heal the rash. And it did stop working. (The rash started at his hands, he'd meditate it away, but when they prayed, not only couldn't it go away, it went up to his elbows, making him even more miserable than he was. Oh, and he says he was most miserable back then. lol)

So be sneaky and use your secret weapon -- prayer warriors. Get people to pray for specific needs you have during your relationship with these women. And then watch God at work.

Amazing-Grace · Jul 9, 2017

Dan_473 said:

Well that's put the cat amongst the pigeons but it is interesting to note someone else'stake on this...

So what are your thoughts on lesbianism - o you see it as wrong or sinful?

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Gabriel2020 said:

Actually, reprove means prove again, so it's not the opposite of approve.

And God's words don't hurt. They heal!

Depleted · Jul 9, 2017

Gabriel2020 said:

The gay world,men and women that are trying to break free of this is wrestling against flesh and blood and will never be free. EPHESIANS ;6; 12; For we wrestle not against flesh and blood,but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,against spiritual wickedness in high places. {Demonic world with very strong influence}Even demon possession .They don't understand the spiritual world, that driving force that have them bound,and they can't get loose. MATTHEW; 12; 29; Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house,and spoil his goods,except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.. {Before they can be cleaned,the demons must be bound up first,and then the burden of sin removed which his the strong man's goods.

God saves homosexuals too.

Meggido · Jul 9, 2017

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Before I knew him, my hubby was That Guy! You know the type, the guy who hates God and the Bible, but can pull out all the scripture that supposedly disagrees with each other. And the one who can self-heal himself from rashes through meditation, because there are no miracles. Yeah, That Guy!

And then he went to That Woman! You know the one. She can flip through her Bible to prove it's consistency and potency.

Three weeks of back-and-forthing before God dinked his light on hubby. (And, poor woman. She didn't get to witness that moment, because God dinked his light overnight. Hubby woke up born again. lol)

Want to know her secret weapon? Her women's Bible group. They were praying specifically for future-hubby. And they were sneaky. He gets rashes from cleaning chemicals. And he worked on dirty heaters all the time, so he had to clean the heater and his hands often -- the cause of the rash. So they even prayed against self-meditation working to heal the rash. And it did stop working. (The rash started at his hands, he'd meditate it away, but when they prayed, not only couldn't it go away, it went up to his elbows, making him even more miserable than he was. Oh, and he says he was most miserable back then. lol)

So be sneaky and use your secret weapon -- prayer warriors. Get people to pray for specific needs you have during your relationship with these women. And then watch God at work.

Imprecatory prayers are not needed and not answered under the new Covenant, and some would suggest you engaged in witchcraft and conjuring, not praying and believing...

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J7 said:

Lesbian was the word chosen in the female-homosexual movement of the 1960s.

Seekingfamily · Jul 9, 2017

What I have found, so to me is sin
[h=1]Romans 1:26–27[/h]

26 For this reason God gave them up todishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

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Meggido said:

Since God agreed, I'm going with that ain't witchcraft.

(BTW, this wasn't me. Future-hubby was a 24 year old cocky man with a wife and daughter living in Pennsylvania. I was a 15 year old cocky kid living in Virginia, and about to get my own dink in the near future. We were both saved within a year of each other, and yet would not meet until he was divorced and I was 23.)

J7 · Jul 9, 2017

So before that what were they called?

Charleston girls?

Gin-tipplers?

J7 · Jul 9, 2017

Do your teddy bears come out at night?

Zi · Jul 9, 2017

Just a general chiming in... When it comes to sin you have to understand the root of it. Telling someone it's wrong does nothing. We all know things are wrong but for a need did them anyways... If you were lonely and don't want to go back to that, then you're not gonna give up the sin that brings company.. you gotta understand and be willing to trust God to be what you need.. if He hasn't been shown as a provider, some won't come.. Show people how life isn't blank after you separate from all the people places and things... Unfortunately we are creatures of attraction

Dan_473 · Jul 9, 2017

Amazing-Grace said:

well... as to whether something is a sin or not

I take this, rather than focus on the letter of the commandment

For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

now, it's a touchy thing to talk about

in our culture

but

what is the natural function of the woman?

any kind of sexual act, as long as it's with a man?

intercouse only, none of the other common acts?

intercourse AND being on the bottom, a woman on top is against nature
(this sounds absurd to our ears. we tend to take what we consider natural and read it back into ancient cultures.)

Yonah · Jul 9, 2017

The best course of action is to pray before you have contact with these women, pry the enemy is silenced and their minds can actually hear the truth, Love is the motive that caused pour dear Savior to suffer and die for us, all of us, and if love is shown in word and deed it will never be for nothing, prayer is the most effective weapon in spiritual warfare, and this is a war, a war for souls, precious souls our Savior died to redeem, the enemy has spoken lies for thousands of years and is well practiced in his art of deception, but the truth lived out and spoken before the eyes of those on bondage to deception will indeed make them free.
pray much , listen much and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you , remember the fathers word NEVER, returns void (55:11) pray in faith believing and allow Him to work through you to effect his plan in the lives of both. and never presume to know what to do but rather defer to his infinite wisdom and seek discernment and understand as to how to proceed, we are the tool He is the one who wields it.

CaptainGoat · Jul 9, 2017

Remember. When we are first saved we have had the revelation about Jesus Christ. That He died for us to take our place for our sins!
Now we are all a work in progress so we all have various things we work through in our Christian lives. To one it is this... To another it is that!
So get the foundations of salvation right first.

Supposing a lesbian decides to stop being a lesbian so they can make it to Heaven but has not accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as their Saviour, then it will all be in vain! It is like a person who thinks that because they go to church they are a Christian, but they have had no "Lightbulb" moment in their spirit where they have said "Yes, Jesus Christ is Lord" and turned to follow Him!

Put ones trust in Jesus Christ and the rest will follow when the Holy Spirit brings conviction. Do not scatter babes in Christ or scatter sheep looking for the Good Shepherd. It will need addressing, yes! Of course!

What concerns me more about the subject is there are church leaders who are that way inclined and they go round to promote gay and lesbianism rather then preaching the Word of God! This stems from the churches who rely on religious qualifications to pick their leaders rather then looking for their spiritual gifts and the persons Godly maturity! Gay or lesbian Christians have not matured spiritually yet as if they had they wouldn't be in that position.
I will say to church denominations, never ever ever make a decision of a new church leader based on their qualifications. You are accountable to God. Chose a wolf to devour the sheep and YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE.

Can gay or lesbian people accept Jesus as Lord. Yes as they are new babes in Christ and as they learn it is not what God wanted, they will change.
If they get to the point and they decide to rebel against God, then yes, they can lose their salvation which is very sad!

One can study every aspect of the Word of God and never enter into the Kingdom. This is why there are so many church leaders in their positions who are unsaved, some who have never believed that God exists! This is the folly of the qualification system.

Huckleberry · Jul 9, 2017

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Actually, and ironically, reprove means to correct,
reprimand, or admonish so it is the opposite of approve.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reprove

The prefix "re" on a word does not automatically
connote "again", and can in fact mean "opposite".
E.g., remove, repeal, reverse, renege, rescind.

Furthermore, Adam and Eve were instructed from the beginning to "replenish" the earth.
The word replenish used to mean simply to fill, I.e., make opposite of empty.
Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - Replenished

This concludes today's English lesson.

Gabriel2020 · Jul 9, 2017

thats what you think

Gabriel2020 · Jul 9, 2017

ok , mr. or miss goody too shoes. When God ask why you let your light mingle with darkness,whatcha gonna say? uh, uh, uh,.

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