Jesus versus Adam who is greater?

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maverich

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You that read this might ask, why this question?
I have read numerous posts on CC and i have found, of the posts I've read about 70% of you that participate in CC, believe Adam is greater.

As your fingers are poised to tear me apart, and show that i am a fool. let me explain. I will try to simplify it for those of you that tend to see what you want to see.

Here we go! Adam disobeyed God. A lot of you say he sinned. I will go along with this premise though in the accounts I found, The Jewish writers ultimately said it was a transgression.
Because of what Adam did, we are all born with a genetic disfunction.
through no fault of our own we were born into this world with a heart for satan. It is a hereditary disease if you follow. we had no way to change how we are. God was distant, and only select people were able to communicate with him. We were born with a sin nature? does this sound accurate.
Jesus comes, to the earth, He is the Son of God. He proves through many signs and wonders he is the Son of God. He tells Nicodemus, You must be born again. Nicodemus is confused and says as much.
with a lack of understanding the conclusion is to kill Jesus. That is the nature that Adam gave to us. If you don't understand something, then kill it.and oh yes it happens at CC.
Now our Father, you know the one in Heaven must have thought his plan of rebirth was good. I'm just saying! He is God, isn't he?
Jesus introduces the concept of rebirth, and he made it simple. believe in your heart and confess with your mouth and you will be saved. Saved from what, saved from yourself, and the future wrath of God. I said you, because the only thing that stand between you and rebirth is you.
some 2000 years ago Jesus died, so that we might be freed from Sin and condemnation. He forever removed the genetic disorder that kept us from God.
If Adam would have believed God he would have lived forever. He chose to listen to the other
Now if we listen to Jesus, we can live forever. Pretty simple right.
Obviously not. People always listen to the other, and so Adam remains the Father.
Stand Jesus and Adam side by side. take away all of your beliefs, all your traditions. take Moses and all the patriarchs out of your thinking. If you had to pick, damnation or life, everlasting for both. The wrath or the marriage supper, constant pain. or a new body.
Sin is not the deciding equation here! Belief is.
Choose this day life or death. Keep in mind if you believe, that Adam is greater then you will continue in the disbelieving attitude of sin. If you choose to believe Jesus you will have everlasting life.
And yes i am sin free, because I believe Jesus. After all their can be only one sin, DISBELIEF
okay have at
 

PennEd

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I think I'l take my 10 foot pole and go home.
 
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Ugly

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Just a very poor argument for sinlessness. And quite a poor one at that. The overly dramatic "Adam is your father because your choosing him" shtick did more damage than good for your point.
Guess someone should've told Paul he wasn't born again.
 

shrume

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And yes i am sin free, because I believe Jesus. After all their can be only one sin, DISBELIEF
okay have at
1 John 1:
8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 

tourist

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who was John talking to in 1 John
Why is it so hard to believe that Jesus died for our sin A goat was good for a year, by the law. Yet Jesus died and you won't give him and his sacrifice even a day. while are you all lost i feel bad for you
Even though those born again through the shed blood of Jesus dying on the cross will occasionally stumble. So you are saying that you have not sinned even one time since asking Jesus for forgiveness of your previous sins? I don't find this testimony to be credible.
 

shrume

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who was John talking to in 1 John
Christians.

Why is it so hard to believe that Jesus died for our sin A goat was good for a year, by the law.
Jesus Christ was the final, permanent sacrifice. Believe on him, and your sins are forgiven, and you shall be saved.

It does not mean Christians stop sinning. All men sin. And when Christians sin:

1 John 1:
9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Yet Jesus died and you won't give him and his sacrifice even a day.
That's not true.

while are you all lost i feel bad for you
1 John 1:
8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 

maverich

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Jesus called them trespasses, didn't he. If your half law and half Grace. You will receive nothing from the Father. Yes i trespass everyday.
by the way for all those who love quoting 1 john you have to know who he was writing to.
 

shrume

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Jesus called them trespasses, didn't he. If your half law and half Grace. You will receive nothing from the Father. Yes i trespass everyday.
Trespasses are sins.

by the way for all those who love quoting 1 john you have to know who he was writing to.
Christians.

1 John 3:
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 

maverich

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just caught your christian answer to 1john scholars theologians and even people like me can see the difference between 1 john and 2 and 3 John
 

NotmebutHim

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My popcorn is getting cold........:)
 

maverich

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I am not going to debate you I live by Grace, I was saved by Grace delivered by Grace, Noah got in the Ark, God sealed it. The waters came. do you think Noah was afraid. was there anything he could have done on that would have thrown him out. the answer is no and why is that God said noah was a righteous man. If you would read the bible with an open mind you would see that none of us are righteous. Oh but Jesus is I am covered with the precious blood of Jesus, when God sees me he sees the blood, of his beloved son. I could show hundreds of verses that say i am right but Adam please keep workin the law let me know how that works out
 
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Stranger36147

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Jesus. Although, I'm sure Adam was an alright fellow too despite well, you know...
 

DustyRhodes

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Jesus is God and Adam isn't...end of case.
 

Adstar

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You that read this might ask, why this question?
I have read numerous posts on CC and i have found, of the posts I've read about 70% of you that participate in CC, believe Adam is greater.

As your fingers are poised to tear me apart, and show that i am a fool. let me explain. I will try to simplify it for those of you that tend to see what you want to see.

Here we go! Adam disobeyed God. A lot of you say he sinned. I will go along with this premise though in the accounts I found, The Jewish writers ultimately said it was a transgression.
Because of what Adam did, we are all born with a genetic disfunction.
through no fault of our own we were born into this world with a heart for satan. It is a hereditary disease if you follow. we had no way to change how we are. God was distant, and only select people were able to communicate with him. We were born with a sin nature? does this sound accurate.
Jesus comes, to the earth, He is the Son of God. He proves through many signs and wonders he is the Son of God. He tells Nicodemus, You must be born again. Nicodemus is confused and says as much.
with a lack of understanding the conclusion is to kill Jesus. That is the nature that Adam gave to us. If you don't understand something, then kill it.and oh yes it happens at CC.
Now our Father, you know the one in Heaven must have thought his plan of rebirth was good. I'm just saying! He is God, isn't he?
Jesus introduces the concept of rebirth, and he made it simple. believe in your heart and confess with your mouth and you will be saved. Saved from what, saved from yourself, and the future wrath of God. I said you, because the only thing that stand between you and rebirth is you.
some 2000 years ago Jesus died, so that we might be freed from Sin and condemnation. He forever removed the genetic disorder that kept us from God.
If Adam would have believed God he would have lived forever. He chose to listen to the other
Now if we listen to Jesus, we can live forever. Pretty simple right.
Obviously not. People always listen to the other, and so Adam remains the Father.
Stand Jesus and Adam side by side. take away all of your beliefs, all your traditions. take Moses and all the patriarchs out of your thinking. If you had to pick, damnation or life, everlasting for both. The wrath or the marriage supper, constant pain. or a new body.
Sin is not the deciding equation here! Belief is.
Choose this day life or death. Keep in mind if you believe, that Adam is greater then you will continue in the disbelieving attitude of sin. If you choose to believe Jesus you will have everlasting life.
And yes i am sin free, because I believe Jesus. After all their can be only one sin, DISBELIEF
okay have at
Yes another sinlessness in corrupt flesh preacher...

""""And yes i am sin free"""""" You know it is sin when you lie? And i am supremely confident you you have just lied...

All sins revealed by God are sins.. So your belief that disbelief is the only sin is false.. You are a false preacher and i hope others are not deceived by your preaching..

May you be forgiven..
 

Adstar

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Well, with a title like that, how could this thread POSSIBLY go wrong?!
If you just read the heading and do not read the actual teaching the guy it is understandable why you would come to this conclusion.. But it seems you have not read the post..