Earth is Flat and Stationary
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Sorry Gary, but that's what verse in the NKJV says, God drew a circle at the horizon on the boundary of light and darkness. Those aren't my words, I just supplied the quote.
Since there has never been any actual documentation offered by those that believe in the flat earth you can't reasonably conclude that there is an ice wall at the edge. Perhaps you can offer a piece of scripture that says that there is such a thing as an ice wall at the edge of a flat earth. Either way, God's peace be with you sir and safe travels.
Since there has never been any actual documentation offered by those that believe in the flat earth you can't reasonably conclude that there is an ice wall at the edge. Perhaps you can offer a piece of scripture that says that there is such a thing as an ice wall at the edge of a flat earth. Either way, God's peace be with you sir and safe travels.
No, but I believe that all the major versions are the Word of God. In your opinion Gary, which version or versions do you consider the Word of God? How would one ever really know what is the one true version while the rest are counterfeit?
What I do believe is that every word, comma, period, tittle and jot in the bible was placed there by God for a specific purpose. God certainly knew what the major versions and revisions were to exist at any given time during the history of man and would make certain that these versions were truly inspired by the Holy Spirit.
What I do believe is that every word, comma, period, tittle and jot in the bible was placed there by God for a specific purpose. God certainly knew what the major versions and revisions were to exist at any given time during the history of man and would make certain that these versions were truly inspired by the Holy Spirit.
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I believe the NKJV verse to be in error.
I personally have never said that the "ice wall" was at the 'edge' of the Earth. The edge of the Earth is far beyond the ice wall. The ice wall is well inside the dome. The edge is far outside the dome.
Did you see this? :
I personally have never said that the "ice wall" was at the 'edge' of the Earth. The edge of the Earth is far beyond the ice wall. The ice wall is well inside the dome. The edge is far outside the dome.
Did you see this? :
Consider:
Looking down from above - i.e. - from God's throne.
The square represents the outer physical 'edge' of the Flat Earth.
The outer circle represents where the 'dome' over the Earth "touches down" on the Earth.
The inner circle represents the ice ring. Inside of it is the habitable part of the Earth.
The oceans and continents are inside the ice ring.
The "circle of the Earth" in scripture could be talking about either circle.
Imagine that there are [ at least ] hundreds of miles between the circles.
I am not saying this graphic is 100% accurate -- it is for illustration only - to help you better understand the Flat Earth model.
Looking down from above - i.e. - from God's throne.
The square represents the outer physical 'edge' of the Flat Earth.
The outer circle represents where the 'dome' over the Earth "touches down" on the Earth.
The inner circle represents the ice ring. Inside of it is the habitable part of the Earth.
The oceans and continents are inside the ice ring.
The "circle of the Earth" in scripture could be talking about either circle.
Imagine that there are [ at least ] hundreds of miles between the circles.
I am not saying this graphic is 100% accurate -- it is for illustration only - to help you better understand the Flat Earth model.
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Flat earth operates with a flat surface and the sun, moon, and stars appearing to be what we see.
Globe earth requires you to believe in curvature, light years, black holes, a expanding universe, optical illusions, vacuums, a tilt, all things that you do not detect but run through your mind before you allow your senses to perceive.
Why not consider these undetectable factors are lies to deceive your senses?
If you gave an honest look at the video and image footage/evidence you would see it is all fake, and that is something you don't need to be a flat earther to see and believe.
Debate about circle being a sphere all you want, The Bible references four corners of the earth, ends of the earth, stars crashing into the surface during end times, but I understand you think the authors were limited in their interpretation or that God dumbed it down for his audience. I believed these things when I was an atheist, I completely understand.
This government can go to hell, there is no reason you need to believe the moon landing, mars rover, and ISS are real, national pride should not blind you from seeing the truth of that deception. Why not watch a documentary or two about these topics? I would be thrilled to provide one that isn't disinformation/controlled opposition.
Remember that your equations prove a model, they are not the only explanation for your reality. For example, you believe the sun is 400x larger than the moon and 400x the distance from earth as the moon, therefore they are the same size your eyes.
A flat earther believes they are roughly the same size, and on our model we can have seasons, light darkness balance, eclipses, and everything required to explain human observations of our surroundings.
I've even been told the philosophy that the enormous size of the globe's universe is humbling and a religious experience for some, but you can have religious experiences about flat earth as well, I did immediately so don't think your reverence and symbolism can't be satisfied elsewhere. I was a horrible blaspheming atheist and the flat earth knocked me on my hindquarters/britches.
If you skipped all of that flat earth nonsense, read this bold print, your senses and man's authority are both capable of deceiving you (evolution? homosexuality is natural? lack of acknowledgement of Christ?), why are there all these God fearing Christians spending months arguing the ridiculous position that the earth is flat? You won't pay it any mind at all? Why not at least look to see if the moon landing footage or the photos of earth are fake? Doesn't mean the earth is a globe, just means that the physical evidence was faked by a government incapable of proving this.
I believe if I died right now I would go to hell for my hard heart and unforgiven sins, so please don't think I think I'm saved for flat earth or that this is a matter of salvation at all, I just think it's very very important for your discernment of evil while you are living on earth.
It's not a globe, flat is a dumb word for the theory that government is lieing to you about the model of the universe and that The Bible rings true to the model that contradicts and invalidates their lies.
Ask me anything you place your faith on for the globe and I'll spend the rest of this day (5 hours) to invalidate it without insulting you.
Globe earth requires you to believe in curvature, light years, black holes, a expanding universe, optical illusions, vacuums, a tilt, all things that you do not detect but run through your mind before you allow your senses to perceive.
Why not consider these undetectable factors are lies to deceive your senses?
If you gave an honest look at the video and image footage/evidence you would see it is all fake, and that is something you don't need to be a flat earther to see and believe.
Debate about circle being a sphere all you want, The Bible references four corners of the earth, ends of the earth, stars crashing into the surface during end times, but I understand you think the authors were limited in their interpretation or that God dumbed it down for his audience. I believed these things when I was an atheist, I completely understand.
This government can go to hell, there is no reason you need to believe the moon landing, mars rover, and ISS are real, national pride should not blind you from seeing the truth of that deception. Why not watch a documentary or two about these topics? I would be thrilled to provide one that isn't disinformation/controlled opposition.
Remember that your equations prove a model, they are not the only explanation for your reality. For example, you believe the sun is 400x larger than the moon and 400x the distance from earth as the moon, therefore they are the same size your eyes.
A flat earther believes they are roughly the same size, and on our model we can have seasons, light darkness balance, eclipses, and everything required to explain human observations of our surroundings.
I've even been told the philosophy that the enormous size of the globe's universe is humbling and a religious experience for some, but you can have religious experiences about flat earth as well, I did immediately so don't think your reverence and symbolism can't be satisfied elsewhere. I was a horrible blaspheming atheist and the flat earth knocked me on my hindquarters/britches.
If you skipped all of that flat earth nonsense, read this bold print, your senses and man's authority are both capable of deceiving you (evolution? homosexuality is natural? lack of acknowledgement of Christ?), why are there all these God fearing Christians spending months arguing the ridiculous position that the earth is flat? You won't pay it any mind at all? Why not at least look to see if the moon landing footage or the photos of earth are fake? Doesn't mean the earth is a globe, just means that the physical evidence was faked by a government incapable of proving this.
I believe if I died right now I would go to hell for my hard heart and unforgiven sins, so please don't think I think I'm saved for flat earth or that this is a matter of salvation at all, I just think it's very very important for your discernment of evil while you are living on earth.
It's not a globe, flat is a dumb word for the theory that government is lieing to you about the model of the universe and that The Bible rings true to the model that contradicts and invalidates their lies.
Ask me anything you place your faith on for the globe and I'll spend the rest of this day (5 hours) to invalidate it without insulting you.
God bless you Gary. You try hard to represent you view on this topic in spite of heated and sometimes bitter opposition. You defend your position without resorting to name calling and hateful remarks and for that you are to be commended. I apologize for anytime I may have come off as being mean to you or anyone else that believes in a flat earth. The fact is we all live on the earth, flat or otherwise and should treat each other with respect. For the times that I haven't I'm sorry.
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So -- the KJV is about as major as it gets. Do you believe that the KJV is one of these versions you refer to here? What if a verse in the NKJV does not agree with the same verse in the KJV? Then what?
I believe that the originals were 'inspired'. I believe that bible translations are just that - translations from one language to another.
I believe that God "guided" the hearts and minds of 'good' men while they translated the KVJ -- so that His Word would be preserved in the English language. ( "God was in it." )
I believe that all of the modern [ English ] translations were translated by 'bad' men only interested in making money off of it and / or who [ actually ] want to "destroy" the Word of God. ( "God was not in it." - for, they belong to Satan - or, at the very least, they are under the severe influence of Satan in the world today. )
I believe that the originals were 'inspired'. I believe that bible translations are just that - translations from one language to another.
I believe that God "guided" the hearts and minds of 'good' men while they translated the KVJ -- so that His Word would be preserved in the English language. ( "God was in it." )
I believe that all of the modern [ English ] translations were translated by 'bad' men only interested in making money off of it and / or who [ actually ] want to "destroy" the Word of God. ( "God was not in it." - for, they belong to Satan - or, at the very least, they are under the severe influence of Satan in the world today. )
That's kinda like saying that Jesus was retarded since he is the one who said, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" John 3:12
But then again why would you believe in the promise of salvation which is a spiritual thing if they don't know the truth of the physical things since all this is seen was made by that which is unseen. Likewise, if someone doesn't know that the earth was covered under a deluge of frozen water in Genesis 1:2 then why would they believe that the light in the heaven as written of in Genesis 1:3 was the visible light that illuminates from the celestial body we call the sun.
But then again why would you believe in the promise of salvation which is a spiritual thing if they don't know the truth of the physical things since all this is seen was made by that which is unseen. Likewise, if someone doesn't know that the earth was covered under a deluge of frozen water in Genesis 1:2 then why would they believe that the light in the heaven as written of in Genesis 1:3 was the visible light that illuminates from the celestial body we call the sun.
wait - do you think John 3 is about Jesus telling Nicodemus the earth is flat?
1[SUP]st[/SUP] century Europeans & Arabs knew the earth is a globe. there are existant records that the Greeks knew it as early as the 6th century BC, and it was universally accepted knowledge in Hellenic culture, by the 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] century BC at the latest.
modern pancake-planet nonsense goes only back to mid 1800's heyday of spritism, free-masonry and other 'secret society' faddishness. the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century revival owes itself more to trolling than anything else: it's the fallout of Poe's law IMO.
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Eric Dubey is controlled oposition/disinformation agent whose sole purpose, financial and social backing is to discredit the flat earth theory.
I won't give you evidence for what you ask because I agree with you. He is the same for flat earth as michael moore is for 9-11. The government/powers understands the threat of social uprising and create their own figureheads to kill movements against them.
I won't give you evidence for what you ask because I agree with you. He is the same for flat earth as michael moore is for 9-11. The government/powers understands the threat of social uprising and create their own figureheads to kill movements against them.
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"You too, my friend..." 
Apology accepted, although none is really necessary. Thank you for the kind words. I do try always to "stick to the facts" of the matter -- and, since the "subject matter" is rarely about the personalities and faults, etc. of the other posters, there really is no reason to focus on any of that. In fact, it takes away from actual discussion of the actual topic of the thread.
I think the discussions would be a whole lot more productive if people would stop allowing their human-nature tendencies to "down" other posters to rule in their post-writing -- and, instead, simply stick to the topic...
Keep in mind that Satan often 'agitates' people so that they will not enable themselves to discover the truth.
( This is often the real reason why this kind of thing happens. )
Apology accepted, although none is really necessary. Thank you for the kind words. I do try always to "stick to the facts" of the matter -- and, since the "subject matter" is rarely about the personalities and faults, etc. of the other posters, there really is no reason to focus on any of that. In fact, it takes away from actual discussion of the actual topic of the thread.
I think the discussions would be a whole lot more productive if people would stop allowing their human-nature tendencies to "down" other posters to rule in their post-writing -- and, instead, simply stick to the topic...
Keep in mind that Satan often 'agitates' people so that they will not enable themselves to discover the truth.
( This is often the real reason why this kind of thing happens. )
