Earth is Flat and Stationary

[trofimus]

You didn't answer why you want scripture to bend to the world view.

You're also saying God can't do these things in 24 hour periods.

The 7th day was 24 hours, and God set it apart and commanded His people to remember it because it is holy.

How can the 7th day be 24 hours if the 6th day was a billion years?

Genesis 1:[SUP]16 [/SUP]And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

The 4th day, God made the Sun and Moon. Done after the earth, heaven, light and time.

Just accept the heliocentric model is garbage.

I never said God cant do these things in 24 hours. He can do it in 24 seconds or instantly, He does not need 24 hours.

But there is not any time span declared and even from the natural reading of the text it is clear it was not 24 hours.

7th day was not 24 hours neither, because Bible never mentions its end.

The tense used in "And God made... he also made stars" can mean in any past, read something about tenses in Hebrew. The verse before this one is about placing lights into the firmanents, i.e. to make them visible for humans on the surface of the earth.

 

[dcontroversal]

Seems like actually flat earth is these peoples religion. I mean, is the gospel even in this thread at all?

I mean when you think about their theories.....for example....if the sun and moon are the same size and flats discs and only three thousand miles away how does that work for a solar eclipse or lunar eclipse? How can we have the phases of the moon without seeing the edge of the disc? And this whole malarkey that the sun speeds up to almost 2 times its normal speed to account for the same length of day as it moves south in our winter so as to give summer to Australia.....etc.........just saying.....

 

[Dino246]

The articles I posted were discussing how the sunset and sunrise were faster in the northern and southern hemisphere, not the equator, during the equinoxes. ...
Clearly you are confused as to the point i was making or what was written in the articles.

Finally I had time to take a look at the articles. You were correct in this: I had not read them, and my reasoning, while correct for the point I was making, was not what they were talking about. However, they don't support your hypothesis.

So, once again, could you please provide an explanation as to how the sun appears to be south of the Tropic of Capricorn, when in your model this situation cannot occur?

Please don't dodge, change directions, or complicate the issue. Just answer the question, or admit that you can't.

 

[pckts]

Finally I had time to take a look at the articles. You were correct in this: I had not read them, and my reasoning, while correct for the point I was making, was not what they were talking about. However, they don't support your hypothesis.

So, once again, could you please provide an explanation as to how the sun appears to be south of the Tropic of Capricorn, when in your model this situation cannot occur?

Please don't dodge, change directions, or complicate the issue. Just answer the question, or admit that you can't.

I've already answered this. The Sun's orbit extends past Sydney Australia in "winter".

The tropic of Capricorn on the globe earth/false map, is not going to be in the same position as it's position on the flat earth map or in reality.

 

[trofimus]

I've already answered this. The Sun's orbit extends past Sydney Australia in "winter".

The tropic of Capricorn on the globe earth/false map, is not going to be in the same position as it's position on the flat earth map or in reality.

Very simplified artistic expression.

Can you actually post a more real model, i.e. with billions of stars of various sizes all over the sun routes?

I would like to see how it moves in such a number and does not collide with anything.

 

[pckts]

Very simplified artistic expression.

Can you actually post a more real model, i.e. with billions of stars of various sizes all over the sun routes?

I would like to see how it moves in such a number and does not collide with anything.

Artistic expression doesn't get more simplified than this:

 

[trofimus]

Artistic expression doesn't get more simplified than this:

Do not dodge the question and post more real and working model than just that primitive one you are still posting.

Show at least sun, moon, 8 or 9 planets and some stars. Thanks.

And it must make sense regarding seasons etc.

 

[pckts]

Do not dodge the question and post more real and working model than just that primitive one you are still posting.

Show at least sun, moon, 8 or 9 planets and some stars. Thanks.

And it must make sense regarding seasons etc.

No more discussions with your crowd. You are the close-minded lost causes not worth the time and effort to discuss flat earth. You will continue to believe what you believe, as will I.

I may chime in occasionally to criticize the globe or discuss flat earth, but I will not field questions and satisfy demands of people who look at cartoons and believe they are real, and refuse to question whether occultists could be lying to them. There is much work you all need to do on yourselves to understand the society and physical world you live in, and I won't be able to get through to you.

 

[Dino246]

I've already answered this. The Sun's orbit extends past Sydney Australia in "winter".

The tropic of Capricorn on the globe earth/false map, is not going to be in the same position as it's position on the flat earth map or in reality.

This is an unscientific and completely unsatisfactory answer. The Tropic of Capricorn (23.5 degrees South) represents the path where the sun appears at zenith (directly overhead) in its most southerly course, usually on December 21. This path will be the same set of places on the earth's surface whether the earth is flat or roughly-spherical. This path is north of Sydney, Australia (33.89 degrees South). In other words, the sun is never at any point south of Sydney. If you think it is, it is incumbent upon you to prove it, and not just with your claim and a picture of the supposedly-flat earth with a circle drawn on it.

 

[trofimus]

No more discussions with your crowd. You are the close-minded lost causes not worth the time and effort to discuss flat earth. You will continue to believe what you believe, as will I.

I may chime in occasionally to criticize the globe or discuss flat earth, but I will not field questions and satisfy demands of people who look at cartoons and believe they are real, and refuse to question whether occultists could be lying to them. There is much work you all need to do on yourselves to understand the society and physical world you live in, and I won't be able to get through to you.

Its very interesting that you, who are posting only the most primitive cartoons and unable to post something more complex corresponding with what we see in our life, are still talking about us believing in cartoons.

So you cant post any working model of flat earth with more complex settings like sun, moon, 8 planets and stars?

 

[pckts]

Its very interesting that you, who are posting only the most primitive cartoons and unable to post something more complex corresponding with what we see in our life, are still talking about us believing in cartoons.

So you cant post any working model of flat earth with more complex settings like sun, moon, 8 planets and stars?

I looked for the most basic one I could find as sarcasm to your demand, being multi-lingual doesn't help understand irony and humor.

 

[trofimus]

I looked for the most basic one I could find as sarcasm to your demand, being multi-lingual doesn't help understand irony and humor.

Being sarcastic does not help you with answering my question if you can post working flat earth model with at least sun, moon, 8 planets and some stars.

And if you think that your previous pictures of flat earth, with circles of sun's movement on it (not working, btw, as dino and others found out) is something more serious or more working than the last one...

 

[pckts]

Being sarcastic does not help you with answering my question if you can post working flat earth model with at least sun, moon, 8 planets and some stars.

And if you think that your previous pictures of flat earth, with circles of sun's movement on it (not working, btw, as dino and others found out) is something more serious or more working than the last one...

Didn't you read this?

No more discussions with your crowd. You are the close-minded lost causes not worth the time and effort to discuss flat earth. You will continue to believe what you believe, as will I.

I may chime in occasionally to criticize the globe or discuss flat earth, but I will not field questions and satisfy demands of people who look at cartoons and believe they are real, and refuse to question whether occultists could be lying to them. There is much work you all need to do on yourselves to understand the society and physical world you live in, and I won't be able to get through to you.

The problem is, you don't even understand what it is you are asking for, more specifically, you do not understand what "planets" and "stars" are.

 

[DarkRose]

Nope. All the videos and images are fake. The firmament encloses the earth.

I don't recommend smoking anything.

All the videos and images are fake...?
How could you ever possibly know this? That has to be the silliest thing I've ever read. All of them? Really?
I just...I can't...

 

[DarkRose]

God says
1) The earth existed before the sun
2) Light existed before the sun
3) God created the sun to rule/give light
4) The Sun will stop giving light

If you believe these things, the heliocentric model falls apart. The heliocentric/atheist/big bang model is contrary to scripture.

If people think I'm stupid, or that Christians are stupid, or that God is stupid, it's their problem. If I'm going to get blamed for believing these things that God says, then I'd point out how it's a sin to not believe God and they are His words.

i think you're being ridiculous.
Not stupid .... Just ridiculous.

 

[tourist]

Seems like actually flat earth is these peoples religion. I mean, is the gospel even in this thread at all?

That seems to be how it is with flat-liners.

 

[tourist]

God says
1) The earth existed before the sun
2) Light existed before the sun
3) God created the sun to rule/give light
4) The Sun will stop giving light

If you believe these things, the heliocentric model falls apart. The heliocentric/atheist/big bang model is contrary to scripture.

If people think I'm stupid, or that Christians are stupid, or that God is stupid, it's their problem. If I'm going to get blamed for believing these things that God says, then I'd point out how it's a sin to not believe God and they are His words.

I really don't believe that it's a sin not to believe God. To believe God you must have an understanding of what He's trying to say to you.

 

[tourist]

Didn't you read this?



The problem is, you don't even understand what it is you are asking for, more specifically, you do not understand what "planets" and "stars" are.

Neat looking snow globe. I got my daughter one years ago at Walt Disney World. Hers had the Magic Kingdom inside along with Mickey, Minnie, and Goofy.

 

[trofimus]

All the videos and images are fake...?
How could you ever possibly know this? That has to be the silliest thing I've ever read. All of them? Really?
I just...I can't...

But his drawings, primitive and not working, are "real".

And when he is to post something that actually takes into consideration sun, moon, 8 planets and stars constellations and their changes we can see from Earth, he is "ending discussion with our crowd".

 

[tourist]

Or you are bending it.

The technical term is 'wresting'.