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Let's address this, specifically.
Matthew 11:28 [FONT="]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[/FONT]If you are given rest by the Lord Jesus Christ are you supposed to work at the law too??
Galatians 2:21 [FONT="]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
[/FONT]Nope. Once we receive Rest in Christ we no longer work at the law.
So I suppose if you reject Rest then you have not received His Word.
Not that I expect you to understand this. You're stuck in your loop. But the scriptures you are posting to try and condemn others actually is condemning yourself.
Matthew 11:28 [FONT="]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[/FONT]If you are given rest by the Lord Jesus Christ are you supposed to work at the law too??
Galatians 2:21 [FONT="]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
[/FONT]Nope. Once we receive Rest in Christ we no longer work at the law.
So I suppose if you reject Rest then you have not received His Word.
Not that I expect you to understand this. You're stuck in your loop. But the scriptures you are posting to try and condemn others actually is condemning yourself.
That's not 100% correct and honest.
You look to Exodus 16 to justify your work at the law.
What you may do that is natural, after coming to Christ, is to love people as Christ has loved you. You may extend joy to others that you have received of the Lord. You may be at peace when everything around you is not peaceful.
Even wanting to work at the law in order to be perfect before God is probably a natural reaction to coming to Christ. But it is an act of futility. Because our work at the law doesn't cause us to be perfect. We were much closer to perfection when we gave up our work and asked Christ for His Help and His Work.
You look to Exodus 16 to justify your work at the law.
What you may do that is natural, after coming to Christ, is to love people as Christ has loved you. You may extend joy to others that you have received of the Lord. You may be at peace when everything around you is not peaceful.
Even wanting to work at the law in order to be perfect before God is probably a natural reaction to coming to Christ. But it is an act of futility. Because our work at the law doesn't cause us to be perfect. We were much closer to perfection when we gave up our work and asked Christ for His Help and His Work.
Hi Grandpa,
You seem to have not read my posts to you in 1823 and 1826 and yet you continue saying the same things even after people are letting you know what they believe is the opposite of what your saying. No one is telling you to work at the Law. No one is telling you to get your righteousness from the Law. God's Law shows us that we are sinners in need of salvation and all of our righteousness is filthy rags. It is in this conditions that Jesus brings us so that we might be justified by faith. Our rest comes the next verse in Matthew 11:29 you left out above. From learning of Jesus (God's Word) and following what God's Word says. I think you are misunderstanding what people are saying. I am not sure if you are doing this on purpose of not though. I am sure everyone here is praying for you though.
You seem to have not read my posts to you in 1823 and 1826 and yet you continue saying the same things even after people are letting you know what they believe is the opposite of what your saying. No one is telling you to work at the Law. No one is telling you to get your righteousness from the Law. God's Law shows us that we are sinners in need of salvation and all of our righteousness is filthy rags. It is in this conditions that Jesus brings us so that we might be justified by faith. Our rest comes the next verse in Matthew 11:29 you left out above. From learning of Jesus (God's Word) and following what God's Word says. I think you are misunderstanding what people are saying. I am not sure if you are doing this on purpose of not though. I am sure everyone here is praying for you though.
Ok I am going to leave the Sabbath for this moment because we are clashing on the law here.
So lets deal with that first. I am going to appeal to logic and common sense biblicaly speaking.
I am going to divide it into points so that I can determine exactly where it is concerning the law that we disagree. So if you disagree with something I say please refer to what point and explain.
1, The purpose of the law:
The purpose of the law is to show sin by that which is good.
Textual support: Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
2, The law is not just for Jews as it condemns all both Jew and Gentile.
Textual support:
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
I can supply OT to prove that this was so even in the OT If you would like.
3, If we try to keep the law we fail because we are slaves to the law of sin.
Textual evidence:
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Notice the next point comes from verse 24.
4, The law leads us to Christ so that we can be saved.
Textual evidence:
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Rom_10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5, Jesus came to save us from sin.
Textual evidence:
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
So 5 points
1, The purpose of the law is to show sin by that which is good.
2, The law is not just for Jews as it condemns all both Jew and Gentile.
3, If we try to keep the law we fail because we are slaves to the law of sin.
4, The law leads us to Christ so that we can be saved.
5, Jesus came to save us from sin.
Which of these if any do you disagree with and why?
So lets deal with that first. I am going to appeal to logic and common sense biblicaly speaking.
I am going to divide it into points so that I can determine exactly where it is concerning the law that we disagree. So if you disagree with something I say please refer to what point and explain.
1, The purpose of the law:
The purpose of the law is to show sin by that which is good.
Textual support: Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
2, The law is not just for Jews as it condemns all both Jew and Gentile.
Textual support:
Rom 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
I can supply OT to prove that this was so even in the OT If you would like.
3, If we try to keep the law we fail because we are slaves to the law of sin.
Textual evidence:
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Notice the next point comes from verse 24.
4, The law leads us to Christ so that we can be saved.
Textual evidence:
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Rom_10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5, Jesus came to save us from sin.
Textual evidence:
Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Joh 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Joh 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
Joh 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
So 5 points
1, The purpose of the law is to show sin by that which is good.
2, The law is not just for Jews as it condemns all both Jew and Gentile.
3, If we try to keep the law we fail because we are slaves to the law of sin.
4, The law leads us to Christ so that we can be saved.
5, Jesus came to save us from sin.
Which of these if any do you disagree with and why?
Our rest comes from working at the law?? Great explanation. I understand you just fine. You're wrong.
Hebrews 4:10-11
[FONT="]10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Galatians 3:11-12
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[FONT="]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[/FONT]
Maybe you don't understand scripture.
Hebrews 4:10-11
[FONT="]10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.[/FONT]
[FONT="]11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Galatians 3:11-12
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[FONT="]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.[/FONT]
Maybe you don't understand scripture.
Hi Grandpa, your a funny one 
So where did I ever say to you that we get our rest from working at the Law? This is something you have made up not me and it is something I have never said to you, yet you keep on saying it. It must be hard to close your eyes tight shut all the time. Lovely scriptures I believe everyone of them by the way. Good night my end. I wish you well
So where did I ever say to you that we get our rest from working at the Law? This is something you have made up not me and it is something I have never said to you, yet you keep on saying it. It must be hard to close your eyes tight shut all the time. Lovely scriptures I believe everyone of them by the way. Good night my end. I wish you well
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Hello Grandpa.........good to see you. I am saved by grace, nothing more nothing less, by the Blood of Jesus Christ.
Now my due is not to work any at all for my salvation, but it certainly is not to be rebellious in any manner, no my due is to obey God.
Because I know what Jesus Christ has given me freely, my desire is to freely obey no matter what it may be He may call me for.
He does not have to call me to obey the Ten Commandments since they are understood to be good an decent and moral by the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit also teaches me what Jesus was saying when Hee gave us His Gospel, the only Godpel.
I know all foods received in thanksgiving are blessed and good.
I know there is no mor sacrifice fo my sin because Jesus Christ has covered all my sin because I have turned from the works of this age to workks given me by God.......no, I earn nothing, but I am so grateful
I knowall who believe Jesus Christ learn of Him and understand that although many laws written, such as protect your enemy's goods whennecessary, do not move a land marker, care for widows and orphans, and let usnot forget the wayfarer or stranger are all good. The Holy Spirit tells me this.
Jesus demonstrates and teaches that to stone someone to deathe is ot showing mercy....amd ñaws pf ìmosj,emt are pmñu fpr tjpse wjp dp mpt imderstamd faotj. kistoce. amd ,ercu a``ñoed tp tje ñaw-
No, the law has no power over any of us as far as condemnation to dath, but there are the good laws of the Holy Spirit which are definitely established by our faith, for faith establishes the law..in its place.
Yes, I am saved by grace. Oh, but yes, I obey out of joy and thanksgiving. By the way, god teaches us that there is yet one sacrifice we may give Him, and it shows just how much we need Him. The sacrifice we may give Him is thanksgiving.
I thank God He teaches us in mercy and grace while allowing us to be as obedient as we are given to be..yes I thank Him for thism my sacrifice.
God bless you Grandpa....you are a hard worker, whet whether you approve of that or noe, and I will not use your works as attmpting to win salvation; please affor others this same allowance........in Jesus Christ's love always........j
Now my due is not to work any at all for my salvation, but it certainly is not to be rebellious in any manner, no my due is to obey God.
Because I know what Jesus Christ has given me freely, my desire is to freely obey no matter what it may be He may call me for.
He does not have to call me to obey the Ten Commandments since they are understood to be good an decent and moral by the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit also teaches me what Jesus was saying when Hee gave us His Gospel, the only Godpel.
I know all foods received in thanksgiving are blessed and good.
I know there is no mor sacrifice fo my sin because Jesus Christ has covered all my sin because I have turned from the works of this age to workks given me by God.......no, I earn nothing, but I am so grateful
I knowall who believe Jesus Christ learn of Him and understand that although many laws written, such as protect your enemy's goods whennecessary, do not move a land marker, care for widows and orphans, and let usnot forget the wayfarer or stranger are all good. The Holy Spirit tells me this.
Jesus demonstrates and teaches that to stone someone to deathe is ot showing mercy....amd ñaws pf ìmosj,emt are pmñu fpr tjpse wjp dp mpt imderstamd faotj. kistoce. amd ,ercu a``ñoed tp tje ñaw-
No, the law has no power over any of us as far as condemnation to dath, but there are the good laws of the Holy Spirit which are definitely established by our faith, for faith establishes the law..in its place.
Yes, I am saved by grace. Oh, but yes, I obey out of joy and thanksgiving. By the way, god teaches us that there is yet one sacrifice we may give Him, and it shows just how much we need Him. The sacrifice we may give Him is thanksgiving.
I thank God He teaches us in mercy and grace while allowing us to be as obedient as we are given to be..yes I thank Him for thism my sacrifice.
God bless you Grandpa....you are a hard worker, whet whether you approve of that or noe, and I will not use your works as attmpting to win salvation; please affor others this same allowance........in Jesus Christ's love always........j
The way to obey God is to Rest in Christ.
The way to be rebellious is to reject His Grace and continue in your own understanding and strength trying to obey a law that is for transgressors of God.
Obedience is not working at the law.
That is disobedience. Unbelief.
That is abiding in your own understanding and your own strength.
Obedience is abiding in Christ. Trusting that He will grow the fruit of Obedience. By Faith.
Your work at the law is not of faith.
You guys try so hard to be vague with your words. "We don't work at the law for our salvation". No. You do it out of unbelief. You don't think the Lord Jesus Christ has or will fulfill it. You think you need to add your work to His Work.
Your "obedience" to the law doesn't make you right with God. The scripture is clear, even to the stiff-necked.
Galatians 2:21 [FONT="]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/FONT]
The way to be rebellious is to reject His Grace and continue in your own understanding and strength trying to obey a law that is for transgressors of God.
Obedience is not working at the law.
That is disobedience. Unbelief.
That is abiding in your own understanding and your own strength.
Obedience is abiding in Christ. Trusting that He will grow the fruit of Obedience. By Faith.
Your work at the law is not of faith.
You guys try so hard to be vague with your words. "We don't work at the law for our salvation". No. You do it out of unbelief. You don't think the Lord Jesus Christ has or will fulfill it. You think you need to add your work to His Work.
Your "obedience" to the law doesn't make you right with God. The scripture is clear, even to the stiff-necked.
Galatians 2:21 [FONT="]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/FONT]
I do not need to getch, cut and paste teh quote when Jesus invites all to come to Him and He will give us rest.
Read in context, He asks us to learn from Him for His yoke is easeyi and His burden is light...this is teh rest.
He is contrasting this from the mentioned teaching of the hypocrites who weigh heavyburdens on us that they will not lift a finger to move themselves.
He is not giving us rest from responsibilities, that would be satanic at best......sorry.
Read in context, He asks us to learn from Him for His yoke is easeyi and His burden is light...this is teh rest.
He is contrasting this from the mentioned teaching of the hypocrites who weigh heavyburdens on us that they will not lift a finger to move themselves.
He is not giving us rest from responsibilities, that would be satanic at best......sorry.
Let scripture be compared to the above as always read each chapter.
Revelation 12
7 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation 22
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
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Remember all the Messiah taught and how he fullfilled the Old Covenant bringing us the New Covenant.
Now many stumble at word law for reasons only GOD knows.. but for those that seek you shall find.
Father forgive them for they know not what they teach.
I think your both missing a point. I don't even know what the difference is between the Sabbath or breaking of bread on Sunday? But, if we are to be sanctified by Christ, becoming more like Christ and obeying Christ. Then wouldn't we eventually follow the law by the grace of God and Jesus Christ in us? We turn from sin, but not by our own power, sin purification by grace of God, yes? So why would we not obey the SATURDAY Sabbath eventually & encourage it? To please God and not to meet the law?
Now reconcile that with these scriptures;
Galatians 2:19-21
[FONT="]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Romans 9:31-32
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[FONT="]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT="]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;[/FONT]
Galatians 2:19-21
[FONT="]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT="]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Romans 9:31-32
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[FONT="]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT="]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;[/FONT]
Reconciled nothing changes..... all are good and True but do not nul anything... they reinforce... but if you come to believe they are........
against Keeping the Commandments of God and having the Testimony of the Messiah then you have not the Truth of GOD in you.
Scripture is not against Scripture but only understanding.. precept upon precept.... now after all your verses comes Revelation.... if what you believe is True then it would not be written... Matthew, Galatians and Romans comes after the Old Testament.... So it is no surprise those things are written.... We need to hear and receive them.
Do you know the Father and the Son?