WHAT DOES THE WORD OF FAITH MOVEMENT TEACH?

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stonesoffire

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1Jn 4:20
  Whoever says, "I love God," but hates his brother is a liar. The one who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love the God whom he has not seen. 

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1Jn 4:15
  God abides in the one who acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, and he abides in God. 

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2Jn 1:7  For many deceivers have gone out into the world. They refuse to acknowledge Jesus the Messiah as having become human. Any such person is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Judge by the Word. 









 

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Hmmmm I see someone pulled a fast one. I think I owe DesertRose an apology? Laish sneaked a post from angela in here. I actually answered it. Sorry Denadii. That was a dirty and underhanded trick though Laish. Something one might expect from honest upright church people. Nope Desertrose pulled the same sneaky trick....No apology required. Still my answer is my answer.

Hi Denadii,

Sorry I misspelled your name. It was not intended.

All I read of your post is that of spelling your name wrong and the short note above. I don't want to sort through your D's and DR's because they don't apply to me.

Also, I applauded Angela's post for rightly dividing God's word. I'm sorry you can't see that healing is not in the atonement.

When I judge, it's the teaching and not the person. Those I fellowshipped with in the WOF, I loved and still love. I care enough about them to tell them that WOF is in error.

I have 2 close friends that are heavily into WOF. I'm always there for them, I love them and I hope one day that they will see the false teachings and come out from among the doctrines of demons.

One of them recently told me that I needed to pray a new way. I needed to plead the blood. You know what, that's not in scripture either. I can't find anywhere that we are to pray this way.

You know what I told her? I told her that I knew she meant well, but all that does to me is to reinforce the fact that there's something I'm not doing right. I don't have faith, I don't pray correctly, I've got sin in my life and on and on the list goes.

I also told her that telling me that brings me condemnation, not love. Not encouragement. So I asked her if in the future we can discuss those things we agree on. She said okay.

Those who promote the WOF, I will expose. I will tell others to watch out for names like Benny Hinn, or Joyce Meyer or Kenneth Hagin or Kenneth Copeland, Joseph Prince and the list could go on and on.

What do I say of them? That they are teaching false doctrine. I don't attack them, I expose the false teachings that come out of their mouths. I warn the brethren.

There is so much damage being done. In a previous church it got to the point where we were told to empty our minds, leave our brain at the door and just go up front and say more Lord over and over and over until you've fallen on the floor. The laughing phenomena came, people were shaking, contorting screaming, making animal noises and the like.

Can you show me in scripture where we are suppose to do that?
 

stonesoffire

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DesertRose

If I had ever witnessed what you are talking about, I would walk out the door too. As far as laughter...there is real joy in Holy Spirit.

But, God does interact with His people. He wants to be with us. Just as He was with Adam and Eve before the fall. And He wants to give us our needs...loves us so much just as we love our children. And if I had any way to relieve any suffering anyone of my kids are going through? I would give it. He is no different.

I'm sorry that you don't believe healing is in the atonement, but that's your choice. It is also mine to believe it.

The confessing the Word is misunderstood. True faith, when we know that we know what His will for us...we will speak it. Not as parroting words, but out of our heart. And will stand for it is our position of warfare. Sit down in the heavenlies with Him, then walk with Holy Spirit...and stand for His personal promises that He gives each of us in our own personal intimate time with Him.

People want to be blessed, touched, and healed. I fault no one for this. And maturity is not overnight.

~Isa 58:9  Then you'll call, and the LORD will answer; you'll cry for help, and he'll respond, 'Here I am.' "If you do away with the yoke among you, and pointing fingers and malicious talk;

Pray for your friends. Is all you can do.

Pray for Denadii if you think he is wrong. Pray for me if you think I'm wrong.

But, we all are the family of God...at different levels. Unless we aren't born from above. Then we have a problem.  
 

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Hi Denadii,

Sorry I misspelled your name. It was not intended.

All I read of your post is that of spelling your name wrong and the short note above. I don't want to sort through your D's and DR's because they don't apply to me.

Also, I applauded Angela's post for rightly dividing God's word. I'm sorry you can't see that healing is not in the atonement.

When I judge, it's the teaching and not the person. Those I fellowshipped with in the WOF, I loved and still love. I care enough about them to tell them that WOF is in error.

I have 2 close friends that are heavily into WOF. I'm always there for them, I love them and I hope one day that they will see the false teachings and come out from among the doctrines of demons.

One of them recently told me that I needed to pray a new way. I needed to plead the blood. You know what, that's not in scripture either. I can't find anywhere that we are to pray this way.

You know what I told her? I told her that I knew she meant well, but all that does to me is to reinforce the fact that there's something I'm not doing right. I don't have faith, I don't pray correctly, I've got sin in my life and on and on the list goes.

I also told her that telling me that brings me condemnation, not love. Not encouragement. So I asked her if in the future we can discuss those things we agree on. She said okay.

Those who promote the WOF, I will expose. I will tell others to watch out for names like Benny Hinn, or Joyce Meyer or Kenneth Hagin or Kenneth Copeland, Joseph Prince and the list could go on and on.

What do I say of them? That they are teaching false doctrine. I don't attack them, I expose the false teachings that come out of their mouths. I warn the brethren.

There is so much damage being done. In a previous church it got to the point where we were told to empty our minds, leave our brain at the door and just go up front and say more Lord over and over and over until you've fallen on the floor. The laughing phenomena came, people were shaking, contorting screaming, making animal noises and the like.

Can you show me in scripture where we are suppose to do that?
Hi Desertsrose...I actually like Joyce Meyers, I think years ago she was involved in wof but now she has moved away, i have tested her writings as i have bought her Amplified bible and it has helped me grow greatly in the word, she always reads out of Scripture to back up her story of how Gods word has helped her personally through her life of abuse from her dad, i don`t want to be deceived as i have been walking with the Lord for nearly 2 years, has she not moved on from them old days...xox...
 
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well it was 'united' from Hillsong I threw out. check out Houston's son and wife...instagram posts...how they hang and what they do. seems the NY church is rife with just plain good ole regular sin and some extras thrown in. I've defended them in the past, but my eyes are opened now. not to mention the sexual abuse of younger women in the home church in Australia.
this stuff is documented and I'm not happy to find it. I cannot even say I am shocked, but I feel like 'what's real anymore?'

I didn't go looking for stuff, but it came across my desk, so there you have it

I've tossed a few things over the years but it's getting desperate when even Christian music is suspect. as I said, their lives are a disgrace as far as a witness for Christ goes, so the music, to me for sure, becomes worse than secular music with no good thing in it. I'm not saying anyone else should do what I did, we each have to answer for our own convictions and as the Lord leads us. As I have said often enough round these here parts, God knows our hearts and knows where we will be if we accept His guidance and He is good and He is gentle and does not force or disgrace

yeah I know that song by Daigle...beautiful voice...but I actually questioned that line regarding the waters myself..I'm listening in the car, hear it and go whaaaaa? however, when something is written about how a person feels, there are bound to be things like that and it's not the worse thing

hmmm...didn't know her thoughts on Christian music. I would be interested in reading that...have a link? just pm me with it if you want
I will have to go to my daughter on Lauren Daigle thing...I saw it but cannot remember where...


I am going to be very transparent here and probably get stoned.....Hillsong is a dangerous thing. Their influence over the body is leading many down a hell hole....

For example, We are the light of the world, why do I need to worship God in the dark with lights and fog machines and some skinny jean wearing chick showing her clevage and sounding more like Blondie than a worship leader...Hillsong is teaching us that worship is only tied to atmosphere and not presence....

When God was sitting on Mt. Sinai the people traded his presence for a calmer atmosphere....Hillsong ties worship to atmosphere and not presence and a way of life....I know many young adults between 18-30 that cannot "enter in" to worship unless lights are low and music is playing.....If you have lights on and ask people to worship and without music they leave....

I really get torn here because I love modern worship songs, but we are very careful with it.

Bill Johnston Jr of Bethel announced last year at their conference and on live TV, he battled with alcohol abuse and prescription drug abuse and he engaged in the stuff because of the "pressure" of ministry work!?!?!? Say what?......he suffered a mental breakdown 2 year ago...he was booed when he said that his drinking had turned to sin and then said...hey it was sin to me...if you still want to have a glass of wine , shot of whiskey or a few beers after church go ahead....much to the delight of Bethel churches and the school....

We have many following programs, methods and systems of men and not Jesus...and then we wonder why the world is confused by us...
 
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Hi Desertsrose...I actually like Joyce Meyers, I think years ago she was involved in wof but now she has moved away, i have tested her writings as i have bought her Amplified bible and it has helped me grow greatly in the word, she always reads out of Scripture to back up her story of how Gods word has helped her personally through her life of abuse from her dad, i don`t want to be deceived as i have been walking with the Lord for nearly 2 years, has she not moved on from them old days...xox...
Joyce Meyer did in fact leave the WOF movement years ago...she still associates with some from the movement, but she is not part of it any longer...
 
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Hi Desertsrose...I actually like Joyce Meyers, I think years ago she was involved in wof but now she has moved away, i have tested her writings as i have bought her Amplified bible and it has helped me grow greatly in the word, she always reads out of Scripture to back up her story of how Gods word has helped her personally through her life of abuse from her dad, i don`t want to be deceived as i have been walking with the Lord for nearly 2 years, has she not moved on from them old days...xox...

haha

you and I are in the same club

I do think she used to be WOF but she has sure changed. I would not watch her on occasion if she was still spewing WOF

even my husband, Mr Conservative (how did we ever get married yikes! haha) said she is a great encourager

I also bought her amplified Bible...in that dark pink...I would have preferred the turquoise (can't get enough turquoise color) but I bought it on Amazon for less and they didn't have the color

I have quite a few different Bibles though...but her notes are really quite good also

I like the 'live it out' and 'practical' approach to her messages
 

stonesoffire

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I will have to go to my daughter on Lauren Daigle thing...I saw it but cannot remember where...


I am going to be very transparent here and probably get stoned.....Hillsong is a dangerous thing. Their influence over the body is leading many down a hell hole....

For example, We are the light of the world, why do I need to worship God in the dark with lights and fog machines and some skinny jean wearing chick showing her clevage and sounding more like Blondie than a worship leader...Hillsong is teaching us that worship is only tied to atmosphere and not presence....

When God was sitting on Mt. Sinai the people traded his presence for a calmer atmosphere....Hillsong ties worship to atmosphere and not presence and a way of life....I know many young adults between 18-30 that cannot "enter in" to worship unless lights are low and music is playing.....If you have lights on and ask people to worship and without music they leave....

I really get torn here because I love modern worship songs, but we are very careful with it.

Bill Johnston Jr of Bethel announced last year at their conference and on live TV, he battled with alcohol abuse and prescription drug abuse and he engaged in the stuff because of the "pressure" of ministry work!?!?!? Say what?......he suffered a mental breakdown 2 year ago...he was booed when he said that his drinking had turned to sin and then said...hey it was sin to me...if you still want to have a glass of wine , shot of whiskey or a few beers after church go ahead....much to the delight of Bethel churches and the school....

We have many following programs, methods and systems of men and not Jesus...and then we wonder why the world is confused by us...
BRIAN JOHNSON:

[HR][/HR]Transcription of Interview with Brian Johnson:
True worship happens when there’s nothing else, there’s no other options. I experienced something about six months ago. Life caught up with me– it wasn’t sin, it was just some issues I hadn’t dealt with. I had a mental breakdown and ended up on serious medication just so I wouldn’t have panic attacks. It was just hell on earth for me, mentally. It was the most tormenting season. But through that process, I felt like I learned more about surrender. I learned that surrender is in the little details, it’s in the minute-by-minute details that no one sees, the little bitterness and things that we carry– the little things that we hold against each other.
Surrender isn’t just in going down to the altar and saying, “Lord, I surrender,” and then going on as normal. It’s in the vulnerability and the admitting that, “yeah this is what happened.” Through that season, I can honestly say, I feel like I’m surrendered. I’m sure tomorrow I’ll find out another part of my life that’s not surrendered, but the process is what matters.
If we don’t get our confidence straight from God, we’re gonna build great legacies, we’re gonna build names and we’re gonna do all that stuff, but it would all stem from an insecurity, wanting to be noticed, wanting to be known. But when we get our confidence from Him, we can say, “Yeah, you know what? Without Him I’m weak, without Him I was almost in a mental institution, without Him I would have been an addicted drug addict,” and when we have a revelation of Him in those seasons of our lives, that’s the revelation that the world needs.
I would hope that all over the world people would sing “Have It All” and actually mean it, and there would be a grace that would come with the song, that God would be glorified through surrendered vessels.




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Joyce Meyer did in fact leave the WOF movement years ago...she still associates with some from the movement, but she is not part of it any longer...
Yes that is what i thought as i researched her out to make sure what she was teaching was sound doctrine, i know she loves our Lord Jesus very much, thank you for that...xox...
 

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haha

you and I are in the same club

I do think she used to be WOF but she has sure changed. I would not watch her on occasion if she was still spewing WOF

even my husband, Mr Conservative (how did we ever get married yikes! haha) said she is a great encourager

I also bought her amplified Bible...in that dark pink...I would have preferred the turquoise (can't get enough turquoise color) but I bought it on Amazon for less and they didn't have the color

I have quite a few different Bibles though...but her notes are really quite good also

I like the 'live it out' and 'practical' approach to her messages
So glad i am not on my own Sevenseas lol, yes i bought her Everyday life bible, and what i like is as i read the word, i always read Gods word before hers, but i like the way she explains what certain passages mean, and you know what, i was saying to my friend the other day i would like to buy another bible, but i do not know what one to buy, i want something that i can understand, but not to the point that it is all mans word and a bit of Gods word if you know what i mean, someone said the NKJV , am still learning...xox...
 
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I will have to go to my daughter on Lauren Daigle thing...I saw it but cannot remember where...


I am going to be very transparent here and probably get stoned.....Hillsong is a dangerous thing. Their influence over the body is leading many down a hell hole....

For example, We are the light of the world, why do I need to worship God in the dark with lights and fog machines and some skinny jean wearing chick showing her clevage and sounding more like Blondie than a worship leader...Hillsong is teaching us that worship is only tied to atmosphere and not presence....

When God was sitting on Mt. Sinai the people traded his presence for a calmer atmosphere....Hillsong ties worship to atmosphere and not presence and a way of life....I know many young adults between 18-30 that cannot "enter in" to worship unless lights are low and music is playing.....If you have lights on and ask people to worship and without music they leave....

I really get torn here because I love modern worship songs, but we are very careful with it.

Bill Johnston Jr of Bethel announced last year at their conference and on live TV, he battled with alcohol abuse and prescription drug abuse and he engaged in the stuff because of the "pressure" of ministry work!?!?!? Say what?......he suffered a mental breakdown 2 year ago...he was booed when he said that his drinking had turned to sin and then said...hey it was sin to me...if you still want to have a glass of wine , shot of whiskey or a few beers after church go ahead....much to the delight of Bethel churches and the school....

We have many following programs, methods and systems of men and not Jesus...and then we wonder why the world is confused by us...

oh I know. I kept my old original Hillsong CD's back when Darlene was the worship leader. Have never thought I should clear them out...I have so many CD's from different musicians cause my tastes are eclectic...but you know some of it is just praise and that's fine...it's not all worship

I like alot of instrumental music..guitar, spanish guitar, latin that kind of thing. never bothers me and in fact sometimes I will read the Bible or study with that softly playing in the background. I won't stone you. I believe the current Hillsong 'culture' is a bad influence and they are spiraling downwards. A week ago, I did question some things, but the music stayed. Not anymore.

I'm not suggesting anyone follow my lead, but I have really wanted to get serious about understanding what it is to walk in the light, follow Christ, in this day with so many supposed Christian leaders telling us it is this or that and when you look at their actual lives, which should be setting an example, they do not testify of new life in Christ, or, they give prophecies that do not come true or stand behind some new flavor of the month evangelist or whatever, who proves to be a fraud which indicates their discernment is also fraudulent

Strange, but I've learned quite a bit the last week or so. Stuff I didn't know and was not looking for, other than praying for God to lead me in the light and praying every day that I am not deceived.

who knows what is going to pop up next as the most wonderful and strange with ultra goosebumps illegitimate so called Christian experience that is found exactly nowhere in Scripture but it will be touted as some kind of spiritual breakthrough as if grave sucking, portals, mind reading and rolling around on the ground like you've totally lost it, isn't enough
 

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Hi Denadii,

Sorry I misspelled your name. It was not intended.

All I read of your post is that of spelling your name wrong and the short note above. I don't want to sort through your D's and DR's because they don't apply to me.

Also, I applauded Angela's post for rightly dividing God's word. I'm sorry you can't see that healing is not in the atonement.

When I judge, it's the teaching and not the person. Those I fellowshipped with in the WOF, I loved and still love. I care enough about them to tell them that WOF is in error.

I have 2 close friends that are heavily into WOF. I'm always there for them, I love them and I hope one day that they will see the false teachings and come out from among the doctrines of demons.

One of them recently told me that I needed to pray a new way. I needed to plead the blood. You know what, that's not in scripture either. I can't find anywhere that we are to pray this way.

You know what I told her? I told her that I knew she meant well, but all that does to me is to reinforce the fact that there's something I'm not doing right. I don't have faith, I don't pray correctly, I've got sin in my life and on and on the list goes.

I also told her that telling me that brings me condemnation, not love. Not encouragement. So I asked her if in the future we can discuss those things we agree on. She said okay.

Those who promote the WOF, I will expose. I will tell others to watch out for names like Benny Hinn, or Joyce Meyer or Kenneth Hagin or Kenneth Copeland, Joseph Prince and the list could go on and on.

What do I say of them? That they are teaching false doctrine. I don't attack them, I expose the false teachings that come out of their mouths. I warn the brethren.

There is so much damage being done. In a previous church it got to the point where we were told to empty our minds, leave our brain at the door and just go up front and say more Lord over and over and over until you've fallen on the floor. The laughing phenomena came, people were shaking, contorting screaming, making animal noises and the like.

Can you show me in scripture where we are suppose to do that?
Its sad you have experienced that.

The problem I see with WOF, they seem to confuse Gods will.

In the Lord's Prayer we find

Thy will done on earth as it is heaven.

We find Jesus saying,

Matthew 26:39


39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”

We find in Psalm

Psalms 143:10
10 Teach me to do Your will,
For You are my God;
Your Spirit is good.
Lead me in the land of uprightness.

and we find the following

John 6:38
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

The problem is that our will can take precendance over Gods will.

Whats is Gods will?
To conform us to the image of Christ.

But it is also bring us to a greater trust in him that he will meet our needs.
Dont worry about tomorrow, I will provide for, I will always love you, never leave or forsake you.

I am a name it and claim it guy.
I name and claim that the will of the Father be done in me.

I am not a i name it and claim it now you deliver.
By this I mean, I give money and I expect more back.

Now please everyone do not think I am negating asking Prayer for healing and the likes.

I am doing that myself for my eye issues.
There is nothing wrong for asking God for help with spiritual and temporal things at all.

The problem with WOF is that it gives us the concept that we do not have enough faith or God does not love us.

Thats not true and it's a lie.

God said to Paul, my grace is sufficient and thst grace will meet all our needs according to his will.
 
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Its sad you have experienced that.

The problem I see with WOF, they seem to confuse Gods will.

In the Lord's Prayer we find

Thy will done on earth as it is heaven.

We find Jesus saying,

Matthew 26:39


39 He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”

We find in Psalm

Psalms 143:10
10 Teach me to do Your will,
For You are my God;
Your Spirit is good.
Lead me in the land of uprightness.

and we find the following

John 6:38
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

The problem is that our will can take precendance over Gods will.

Whats is Gods will?
To conform us to the image of Christ.

But it is also bring us to a greater trust in him that he will meet our needs.
Dont worry about tomorrow, I will provide for, I will always love you, never leave or forsake you.

I am a name it and claim it guy.
I name and claim that the will of the Father be done in me.

I am not a i name it and claim it now you deliver.
By this I mean, I give money and I expect more back.

Now please everyone do not think I am negating asking Prayer for healing and the likes.

I am doing that myself for my eye issues.
There is nothing wrong for asking God for help with spiritual and temporal things at all.

The problem with WOF is that it gives us the concept that we do not have enough faith or God does not love us.

Thats not true and it's a lie.

God said to Paul, my grace is sufficient and thst grace will meet all our needs according to his will.[/QUOTE

I thank you for your apology and it is gladly accepted. As I said on that post, it was not WOF that did it to us. It was Chruchians like Angela and Desertrose and Bluto that hunted for reasons to crucify us...Churches that do not know God. They pretend to be Christian but they are only predators. I have NO respect for bullies like Angela and Bluto. I speak what the Word says and if I don't communicate it properly all a person has to do is ask."Did you mean it that way? Or the like but No I will not tolerate bullies and self righteous idiots.
 

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It is, after all, a biblical approach.

Mark 11:24 King James Version (KJV)

24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

:)
This was in reference to expectation, the second part of your post Blain. God's sovereignty supersedes man's desires, in that God will protect His children or show them a better way. He even grants the desires of our hearts, as much as that sounds like a genie to some, it rather reveals the goodness of God. He is our Father. Even human fathers give their children good gifts, promoting joy. How much more our heavenly Father, who no man can out give for He is without limitation?

God's word is straightforward in regards to faith, and in context, prayer. Expectation is an important role in the reception of what we have petitioned for. We ought to know the character and nature of God, as this itself raises our expectations of His providence in our lives. He is sovereign in all ways.
 

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Hi Desertsrose...I actually like Joyce Meyers, I think years ago she was involved in wof but now she has moved away, i have tested her writings as i have bought her Amplified bible and it has helped me grow greatly in the word, she always reads out of Scripture to back up her story of how Gods word has helped her personally through her life of abuse from her dad, i don`t want to be deceived as i have been walking with the Lord for nearly 2 years, has she not moved on from them old days...xox...

Hi Rosemary,

Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate that. I'm glad she has left WOF. I wouldn't have known this because I don't listen to her.

I hope she has publicly renounced WOF because she has books, cd's and videos that teach WOF. Do you know if she has taken them off the market?
 

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Hi Rosemary,

Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate that. I'm glad she has left WOF. I wouldn't have known this because I don't listen to her.

I hope she has publicly renounced WOF because she has books, cd's and videos that teach WOF. Do you know if she has taken them off the market?
I read somewhere that she retracted some of her teaching.
With regards to material I'm not sure.
 

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DesertRose

If I had ever witnessed what you are talking about, I would walk out the door too. As far as laughter...there is real joy in Holy Spirit.

But, God does interact with His people. He wants to be with us. Just as He was with Adam and Eve before the fall. And He wants to give us our needs...loves us so much just as we love our children. And if I had any way to relieve any suffering anyone of my kids are going through? I would give it. He is no different.

I'm sorry that you don't believe healing is in the atonement, but that's your choice. It is also mine to believe it.

The confessing the Word is misunderstood. True faith, when we know that we know what His will for us...we will speak it. Not as parroting words, but out of our heart. And will stand for it is our position of warfare. Sit down in the heavenlies with Him, then walk with Holy Spirit...and stand for His personal promises that He gives each of us in our own personal intimate time with Him.

People want to be blessed, touched, and healed. I fault no one for this. And maturity is not overnight.

~Isa 58:9  Then you'll call, and the LORD will answer; you'll cry for help, and he'll respond, 'Here I am.' "If you do away with the yoke among you, and pointing fingers and malicious talk;

Pray for your friends. Is all you can do.

Pray for Denadii if you think he is wrong. Pray for me if you think I'm wrong.

But, we all are the family of God...at different levels. Unless we aren't born from above. Then we have a problem.  
Hi stonesoffire,

Thanks for your response. :)

I can only speak to what I've experienced. So I'm not misunderstanding the claim it part of what they believe.

Groups that I was associated with are under the Kenyon influence where you speak reality into existence. For instance, my friend speaks, claims her daughter is saved so she is. We just don't see it yet.

She claims, speaks healing. She won't even verbalize that she has certain diseases because that means she'll have them. Well she does have them.

Maybe your church doesn't claim in this way, but just in my small town, the many WOF churches do claim things into reality. IT's the power of their words and the power of their faith that does it. They have faith in their own faith as if it has the power to make things happen.

The ones who don't do this are the Charismatic churches that are not WOF.
 

stonesoffire

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The problem with WOF is that it gives us the concept that we do not have enough faith or God does not love us.
We should be able to look at ourselves and examine our faith. God never stops loving us for little faith, or for doubting. If we confess that we are weak in this area, we can ask Him to increase our faith.

I don't know if any of the teachers that are known for these teachings say this. But, I do know that immaturity may cause one to accuse another of no faith. Or even that one is sick because of sin.


If you have faith as...little faith...without doubt. These are the things that Jesus spoke about faith. Great faith is when time and experience has proven His faithfulness, and the roots go down deep, so deep that it can't be stamped out. The mustard seed faith.

Maturity.

We don't know unless God reveals these things to us, and I've found He only reveals things when we can handle them.

Spending time with the Lord on a daily basis and learning to listen to His Voice within...we won't be tossed to and fro by what anyone says.

Not accusing anyone here of anything. Just stating what I have learned. We learn by experience and we may experience ill will from our brothers and sisters.
 

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Hi Rosemary,

Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate that. I'm glad she has left WOF. I wouldn't have known this because I don't listen to her.

I hope she has publicly renounced WOF because she has books, cd's and videos that teach WOF. Do you know if she has taken them off the market?
I really dont know to be honest, i will look into that more closely, i hope so because i do like her teachings...
 
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Hi stonesoffire,

Thanks for your response. :)

I can only speak to what I've experienced. So I'm not misunderstanding the claim it part of what they believe.

Groups that I was associated with are under the Kenyon influence where you speak reality into existence. For instance, my friend speaks, claims her daughter is saved so she is. We just don't see it yet.

She claims, speaks healing. She won't even verbalize that she has certain diseases because that means she'll have them. Well she does have them.

Maybe your church doesn't claim in this way, but just in my small town, the many WOF churches do claim things into reality. IT's the power of their words and the power of their faith that does it. They have faith in their own faith as if it has the power to make things happen.

The ones who don't do this are the Charismatic churches that are not WOF.
Kenyon and Hagin took one verse so out of context it left the ballpark....That verse is Romans 4.17.

Even today all the WOF big names continue to take this verse out of context..

Romans 4.17
[SUP]17 [/SUP](As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

Hagin only put this part in all his books-

.....calleth those things which be not as though they were.

And exactly in that format....he would say things[and I paraphrase] like this in his book...

Say friend, you do not ache a new car and need new a new car, well you can either let fear rule you or confess the word...and call those things which be not as though they were....now confess God word today for that new car...God;s word is true...it can happen for you...one more time say it with me while you read my book...call those things which be not as though they were.

Lets really take a look at this verse and it what it is saying to us....

1) The people being spoke about are not you and I, but God and Abraham

2) The person who brings thing to life and creates new things out of nothing is not Abraham , or you or I, it is God...

3) Abraham faith is mentioned in the preceding Vs-16 and here and Vs 17 says Abraham believed he would become the father of a great nation, because he believed in the God who brings thing to life and creates new things out of nothing