The State of Israel - Authentic or Counterfeit?

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Is the State of Israel Authentic or Counterfeit?

  • Authentic

    Votes: 16 76.2%

  • Counterfeit

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • Total voters
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dcontroversal

dcontroversal

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sevenseas said:
so you are going to stoop that low?

you have been the creator of a good many threads and all a person has to do is search with your name for the threads you created

here is a prize winner right here that illustrates you have been Jew bashing and hating for a long time and it is nothing new for you:



your op, written entirely to establish anti-Semitism in favor of your opinions and hatred for the Jews

here is another you started to discuss your anti-Semitism: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/125571-did-god-promise-give-abraham.html

Romans 9:6-8 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Have you been duped into believing that fleshly Israel is the children of the promise? Well they're not, the children of the promise are the children of God, they are the true Israel, they are the true seed of Abraham.

Guess who the children of the promise are... Just like Isaac was, we who are saved by grace through faith are the children of the promise. Shame on those Jews and Christian Zionist's for trying to take our place!

Galatians 4:28 KJV
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.


here is another you started to discuss your anti-Semitism: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/125571-did-god-promise-give-abraham.html

and another: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/132476-children-promise.html

and here is one in which you say the 7 year tribulation mentioned in Daniel is not what most believe it to be and while you are at it, you give the Jews another good thrashing

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107339-seven-year-tribulation-myth.html

here is another where you try to 'spiritualize' what most realize is a physical occurence with spiritual application..but not you oh no cause that interfers with your preterist beliefs

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/94705-rightly-dividing-word-truth.html

yup. many many threads started by you

a virtual encyclopedia of your anti-Semitism, KJV only cult beliefs and your preterist convictions

it's all there

maybe someone else would like to research it? anyway, everyone can read it

just search under your profile for threads you started and ain't nothing gonna tell the truth about you better than you​
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The scriptures are clear and there is yet national promises made concerning the King, the Throne, The City, The people, The Land, the 12 Tribes, The world gathered against Israel, The Remnant, The rebuilding of the waste cities, the world Capitol Jerusalem, etc................those who are mouthing and against Israel will be counted with those who are gathered against her at the end of the age....it will all wash out in the end......no sense in arguing with fools......
 
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loveme1 said:
I hope you all will remember that we are not to unite all the religions for world peace... man will die unless they Believe and Repent.

Posing as an angel of light deceiving the masses...... There is only One GOD and one way to be saved... the gate is not wide....

Stand with Israel? Are you also in rebellion to the Almighty GOD? No, then let them bring to pass whatever they will because we know the outcome!

Draw no sword because the battle is won.. Those that live by the sword will die by the sword....it is your eternal life that matters.
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and a mighty V8 head slap on you....thus saith the Lord....
 
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dcontroversal said:
The following truths apply....

a. Jesus will sit on the throne of his father David
b. Israel will be called back into the land before the end of the age
c. Israel has been momentarily cut off so salvation can come to the Gentiles
d. Israel will repopulate the waste cities of the planet after the end of the age
e. In Christ Israel and Gentiles have been grafted in under one banner
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a. God is the Father, David calls Lord Jesus "Lord", not the other way around.
b. Real Israel.
c. Salvation was available without them being cut off.
d. Only people who accept Lord Jesus ***
e. There are no gentiles in Lord Jesus, no distinction. He is the king of Israel, there are no gentile gets in New Jerusalem.


*** Matthew 8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
Snoozy

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PennEd said:
Who "knows" that??!! I sure as heck don't.

See. This is THE huge problem with so many. This tendency to allorgize, or spiritualize vast chunks of both the OT. AND NT.

Did God really create the universe in 7 days? Were Adam and Eve real beings, or spiritual? DID GOD REALLY SAY YOU WILL DIE IF YOU EAT OF THE TREE?
Did Noah truly build an ark that housed all creatures?
Did Abraham hear God and believe?
Were all humanity really given different languages and dispersed?
Did the Sea actually split? WERE THOSE THAT LOOKED ON THE BRONZE SERPENT STAFF HEALED FROM THE FIERY SNAKE BITES?

Did walking around a wall really make it collapse?
Has a man actually been able to kill 1000 men, by himself, with the jawbone of an ass?
Speaking of donkeys, did one truly speak?
DID A MAN SPEND 3 DAYS IN THE BELLY OF A WHALE AND LIVE?
Did an entire city repent and be spared?

DID GOD BECOME FLESH, CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, BORN OF A VIRGIN, SUFFER, BE CRUCIFIED, DIE, BE BURIED, AND RISE AGAIN 3 DAYS LATER?

What will YOU choose to allegorize and what to believe.

As for me and my house, we will put our trust in the Lord, and His Word, and serve Him.
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amen couldnt of said it better. its da age old trick of tha devil to ask "yea, hath God said?" instead of believing thus saith the Lord. Jesus came literally da first time fulfilling isaiah 53 and will come again literally fulfilling everything just as it was said.
God bless you Uso.
 
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PennEd said:
Hmm. Maybe there IS something to that "I will Bless those that Bless..." What country in history ahs been more blessed than America? Interesting that the more Anti-Israel America becomes, the MORE we're getting the OTHER half of the Lord's decree.
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Now PennEd stop it brother!!!!!!!!! you know better than to do this...really bro, stop it!!!!




your confusing them with facts.....:cool:
 
Snoozy

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i just thought of something why aint none of ya replacement theology believers moving to Israel? isnt it ur land u should be going and inheriting da promised land. or is that promise allegory too Loool
 
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J7 said:
America knew exactly how badly the starvation and disease was across Europe but chose to prolong the war for fear of Stalin getting power of Berlin. They then murdered an estimated 2 million German troops through deliberate starvation policies.

They also dropped nukes on Japan for no reason whatsoever.
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If the USA had listened to Patton fully and followed his advice, there would have never been a cold war, the Berlin Wall, or Eastern State communism...
 
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pete9 said:
Also, "Jewish" is a religion. Anyone can do it. It is not the same as being Hebrew. But my question is how come no one can ever criticize that unChristian religion without being mobbed? As aforementioned, they have plenty of political power in this country..basically half the supreme court. Catholics have the other half. What does that mean for protestants? And so that religion has enormous power in this country, but that is not enough..Americans are clearly expected to spend taxpayer money (while other Americans starve on the streets) and shed their very blood and loose their very lives over relatively dodgy and newfangled interpretations of Genesis 12. The next thing you know, you guys will be insisting that we wear those little hats and blow shofars prior to church services. The behavior here certainly looks like worship.
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Only the Spiritual blind would use Genesis 12... The Scriptures are line upon line precept upon precept and we are not partaking in their quest of world domination... But that quest is leading to tHe Harvest and we can only witness and be Faithful to Heavenly Father through Faith in our Messiah. Our King of Kings will return... Come my Lord , come.
 
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Meggido said:
No this is an incomplete view of Romans 11. LM1 the New Covenant was not ever theirs to begin with and will only be grafted in and this is wrong...

[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?
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Exactly, "grafted back in", exactly as LM1 originally said, and which you refuted.




 
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pete9 said:
Sound similar to the treatment I got in the judaizer thread, that if I won't do jewish stuff that I'm not walking in the way of Jesus. Sophisticated and manipulative.
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hint-ya got know what true Judaism is before talking about it....
 
KJV1611

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dcontroversal said:
The scriptures are clear and there is yet national promises made concerning the King, the Throne, The City, The people, The Land, the 12 Tribes, The world gathered against Israel, The Remnant, The rebuilding of the waste cities, the world Capitol Jerusalem, etc................those who are mouthing and against Israel will be counted with those who are gathered against her at the end of the age....it will all wash out in the end......no sense in arguing with fools......
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You have no clue what you're talking about... earthly Jerusalem is done, finished, over with and not coming back. Those verses that you THINK are talking about earthly Jerusalem are talking about heavenly Jerusalem... but you're right PAL there's no since in arguing with fools.
 
dcontroversal

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KJV1611 said:
You have no clue what you're talking about... earthly Jerusalem is done, finished, over with and not coming back. Those verses that you THINK are talking about earthly Jerusalem are talking about heavenly Jerusalem... but you're right PAL there's no since in arguing with fools.
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This coming from a someone that worships an Anglican bible....you bet, I will take your word for it....NOT
 
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KJV1611 said:
Where is that found in the bible?
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You do know that the New Covenant was made with the Jews first, right?

Maybe you don't because proof-texting removes valuable context to the word...
 
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Abraham wasn't looking for an earthly city:

Heb 11:15 And indeed if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had opportunity to return.

Heb 11:16 But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.

And it ain't in the middle east....:cool:
 
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dcontroversal said:
This coming from a fool that worships an Anglican bible....you bet I will take your word for it....
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Matthew 5

21Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. 23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. 26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
 
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sevenseas said:
let me illustrate

you offer

no scripture...no scripture...no scripture and ignore what is posted from scripture

oops oops oops

have you missed breakfast? you are not making sense and you may have low blood sugar
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well DCO did pop some corn....give the man a snack....
 
dcontroversal

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Meggido said:
You do know that the New Covenant was made with the Jews first, right?

Maybe you don't because proof-texting removes valuable context to the word...
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He knows that the King Jimmy was inspired......and that he pays homage to it 7 times a day
 
KJV1611

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dcontroversal said:
This coming from a fool that worships an Anglican bible....you bet, I will take your word for it....NOT
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You know what, I have just stooped to your level... I appologize to you and eveybody on this thread for that.
 
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Meggido said:
and a mighty V8 head slap on you....thus saith the Lord....
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