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God does not think this way, so why do you?
Romans 11.28-32
[SUP]28 [/SUP]From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; [SUP]29 [/SUP]for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, [SUP]31 [/SUP]so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. [SUP]32 [/SUP]For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
Romans 11.28-32
[SUP]28 [/SUP]From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God’s choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; [SUP]29 [/SUP]for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, [SUP]31 [/SUP]so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. [SUP]32 [/SUP]For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.
you could not teach a squirrel to eat nuts
like I said, your teachings are preterist and people should realize that and understand the ACTUAL reason for your dissent and disagreement and calling those who understand scripture, Jew worshippers
lovely! I am sure all kinds of people will be writing you to know where and when they can attend your classes
like I said, your teachings are preterist and people should realize that and understand the ACTUAL reason for your dissent and disagreement and calling those who understand scripture, Jew worshippers
lovely! I am sure all kinds of people will be writing you to know where and when they can attend your classes
Who "knows" that??!! I sure as heck don't.
See. This is THE huge problem with so many. This tendency to allorgize, or spiritualize vast chunks of both the OT. AND NT.
Did God really create the universe in 7 days? Were Adam and Eve real beings, or spiritual? DID GOD REALLY SAY YOU WILL DIE IF YOU EAT OF THE TREE?
Did Noah truly build an ark that housed all creatures?
Did Abraham hear God and believe?
Were all humanity really given different languages and dispersed?
Did the Sea actually split? WERE THOSE THAT LOOKED ON THE BRONZE SERPENT STAFF HEALED FROM THE FIERY SNAKE BITES?
Did walking around a wall really make it collapse?
Has a man actually been able to kill 1000 men, by himself, with the jawbone of an ass?
Speaking of donkeys, did one truly speak?
DID A MAN SPEND 3 DAYS IN THE BELLY OF A WHALE AND LIVE?
Did an entire city repent and be spared?
DID GOD BECOME FLESH, CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, BORN OF A VIRGIN, SUFFER, BE CRUCIFIED, DIE, BE BURIED, AND RISE AGAIN 3 DAYS LATER?
What will YOU choose to allegorize and what to believe.
As for me and my house, we will put our trust in the Lord, and His Word, and serve Him.
See. This is THE huge problem with so many. This tendency to allorgize, or spiritualize vast chunks of both the OT. AND NT.
Did God really create the universe in 7 days? Were Adam and Eve real beings, or spiritual? DID GOD REALLY SAY YOU WILL DIE IF YOU EAT OF THE TREE?
Did Noah truly build an ark that housed all creatures?
Did Abraham hear God and believe?
Were all humanity really given different languages and dispersed?
Did the Sea actually split? WERE THOSE THAT LOOKED ON THE BRONZE SERPENT STAFF HEALED FROM THE FIERY SNAKE BITES?
Did walking around a wall really make it collapse?
Has a man actually been able to kill 1000 men, by himself, with the jawbone of an ass?
Speaking of donkeys, did one truly speak?
DID A MAN SPEND 3 DAYS IN THE BELLY OF A WHALE AND LIVE?
Did an entire city repent and be spared?
DID GOD BECOME FLESH, CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, BORN OF A VIRGIN, SUFFER, BE CRUCIFIED, DIE, BE BURIED, AND RISE AGAIN 3 DAYS LATER?
What will YOU choose to allegorize and what to believe.
As for me and my house, we will put our trust in the Lord, and His Word, and serve Him.
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There's no choice in allegorizing something or not, it just is.... it's allegory or it's literal, it's not up to us to decide which is which.
Zechariah 14:8 KJV
And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
That is an allegory for this.
John 7:38 KJV
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Which is an allegory for the word of God.
Zechariah 14:8 KJV
And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
That is an allegory for this.
John 7:38 KJV
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Which is an allegory for the word of God.
Stop proof texting and read the whole thought...you do know that he is talking about descendants from Abraham/Sarah and Abraham/Hagar in this chapter right? and this verses is talking about just that....
Romans 9.6-13
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
[SUP]11 [/SUP](For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
[SUP]12 [/SUP]It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
He is not even talking about gentiles in Romans 9, 10 or 11....
Romans 9.6-13
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
[SUP]11 [/SUP](For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
[SUP]12 [/SUP]It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
He is not even talking about gentiles in Romans 9, 10 or 11....
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so you are going to stoop that low?
you have been the creator of a good many threads and all a person has to do is search with your name for the threads you created
here is a prize winner right here that illustrates you have been Jew bashing and hating for a long time and it is nothing new for you:
your op, written entirely to establish anti-Semitism in favor of your opinions and hatred for the Jews
here is another you started to discuss your anti-Semitism: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/125571-did-god-promise-give-abraham.html
Romans 9:6-8 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Have you been duped into believing that fleshly Israel is the children of the promise? Well they're not, the children of the promise are the children of God, they are the true Israel, they are the true seed of Abraham.
Guess who the children of the promise are... Just like Isaac was, we who are saved by grace through faith are the children of the promise. Shame on those Jews and Christian Zionist's for trying to take our place!
Galatians 4:28 KJV
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
here is another you started to discuss your anti-Semitism: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/125571-did-god-promise-give-abraham.html
and another: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/132476-children-promise.html
and here is one in which you say the 7 year tribulation mentioned in Daniel is not what most believe it to be and while you are at it, you give the Jews another good thrashing
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107339-seven-year-tribulation-myth.html
here is another where you try to 'spiritualize' what most realize is a physical occurence with spiritual application..but not you oh no cause that interfers with your preterist beliefs
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/94705-rightly-dividing-word-truth.html
yup. many many threads started by you
a virtual encyclopedia of your anti-Semitism, KJV only cult beliefs and your preterist convictions
it's all there
maybe someone else would like to research it? anyway, everyone can read it
just search under your profile for threads you started and ain't nothing gonna tell the truth about you better than you
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Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Luke 12:7
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Luke 21:18
But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.
Luke 12:7
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
Luke 21:18
But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
Jesus laid his life down, no one person and no group of people murdered him...
John 10.17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
I already showed you in Romans 11 where God calls them beloved....
John 10.17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
I already showed you in Romans 11 where God calls them beloved....
"This is allegorically speaking, for these women are two covenants: one proceeding from Mount Sinai bearing children who are to be slaves; she is Hagar."
Gal 4:2
"The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."
1C 2:14
Notice: not literally discerned (in such a case everybody would understand them), but spiritually.
Jews did not recognized Christ because they were waiting for literal kingdom and understood OT literally. The same error is repeated by so many Christians today.
Gal 4:2
"The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."
1C 2:14
Notice: not literally discerned (in such a case everybody would understand them), but spiritually.
Jews did not recognized Christ because they were waiting for literal kingdom and understood OT literally. The same error is repeated by so many Christians today.
More so the holy spirit.
What is amazing is John in the book of Revelation said whosoever wants to drink of the living water can drink freely.
But we have people claiming to have the holy spirit while claiming John's revelation has not been fulfilled.
Rev 22:1 (NASB) Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,
Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.
What is amazing is John in the book of Revelation said whosoever wants to drink of the living water can drink freely.
But we have people claiming to have the holy spirit while claiming John's revelation has not been fulfilled.
Rev 22:1 (NASB) Then he showed me a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb,
Rev 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.