The State of Israel - Authentic or Counterfeit?

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Is the State of Israel Authentic or Counterfeit?

  • Authentic

    Votes: 16 76.2%

  • Counterfeit

    Votes: 5 23.8%
  • Total voters
    21
dcontroversal said:
So now you can see motive and judge the thoughts and intents of the heart.......sure.....and the verbiage is clear....anyone who worships a version of the bible instead of the God of the bible is foolish....end of story....

Paul used FOOLISH....IN CONTEXT.....I guess CONTEXT is above your reasoning level?
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Are you the man that takes a gun/weapon to church?
 
KJV1611 said:
Maybe I should have said God is done with eathly Jerusalem and Israel.
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There's so much confusion regarding "Israel". Do you mean the "country"?

Jerusalem is God's favourite city, even still (honestly).
 
KJV1611 said:
The vast majority of the Jews are ENEMIES of the gospel, but the one's whom God chose, the elect, they are beloved of the father.

The ones that are the ENEMIES of the gospel are not Gods elect.
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You still cannot read I see.....
 
KJV1611 said:
You have no clue what you're talking about... earthly Jerusalem is done, finished, over with and not coming back. Those verses that you THINK are talking about earthly Jerusalem are talking about heavenly Jerusalem... but you're right PAL there's no since in arguing with fools.
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You do know the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven onto the new earth and is adorned like a bride for her husband, right?

Heaven is not our final destination....
 
KJV1611 said:
The vast majority of the Jews are ENEMIES of the gospel, but the one's whom God chose, the elect, they are beloved of the father.

The ones that are the ENEMIES of the gospel are not Gods elect.
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Hi, I just have to correct this.

Romans 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

They are still part of Israel, the covenant God gave to Abraham/Isaac/Israel, it's just that they cursed themselves by murdering Christ and rejecting Him.

Some of the flesh children of Israel will be saved, some won't.

Isaiah 14:27
For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
 
Zen said:
There's so much confusion regarding "Israel". Do you mean the "country"?

Jerusalem is God's favourite city, even still (honestly).
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Acts 15:14-17 KJV
Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

[15] And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,

[16] After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:

[17] That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.

This is the true tabernacle of David and the new Jerusalem. Earthly Jerusalem was only a shadow of the real, once the real is here the shadows are done.
 
Zen said:
Hi, I just have to correct this.

Romans 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

They are still part of Israel, the covenant God gave to Abraham/Isaac/Israel, it's just that they cursed themselves by murdering Christ and rejecting Him.

Some of the flesh children of Israel will be saved, some won't.

Isaiah 14:27
For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
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The bible says all of them will be saved...

Jeremiah 31.34
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
 
Zen said:
Hi, I just have to correct this.

Romans 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

They are still part of Israel, the covenant God gave to Abraham/Isaac/Israel, it's just that they cursed themselves by murdering Christ and rejecting Him.

Some of the flesh children of Israel will be saved, some won't.

Isaiah 14:27
For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?
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The Jews as a WHOLE are the enemies of the gospel BUT there is a remnant of them that will accept Christ as savior and these ARE NOT the enemies, these are the elect. 2 groups in that verse - the enemies of the gospel unsaved Jews and the elect, saved Jews.
 
PennEd said:
You asked where the 1/3rd came from. I showed you. But I am not capable of making you believe it. Only revelation from the Holy Spirit Can do that.

And btw, I DO WORSHIP A JEW! You do realize that Jesus is Jewish right?

He was born a JEW. He died as a JEW. And He was raised to life as a JEW.
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You think you will be American after the resurrection?

Also, have you not ever read:

"Therefore from now, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have regarded Christ according to flesh, yet now we regard Him thus no longer."?
 
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Meggido said:
The bible says all of them will be saved...

Jeremiah 31.34
[SUP]34 [/SUP]And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
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If they were all going to be saved, why are some going to be cast out?

Matthew 8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 
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