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You know dagallen, this comment of yours I think is even below you when you said the following to valiant. "Because Roman Catholic traditions of the Roman Catholic church is greater than scriptures, to the Roman Catholic church, because you live by your traditions, the word God is of no affect. Why don't you try reading the scriptures as written and stop adding your own intertation or the intertation that the Roman Catholis give, think outside the box and be set free."
Were not responsible for what the Roman Catholic church believes or don't believe. And I don't live by any traditions but by what the Bible says. And you have the "huevos" to tell valiant that he needs to read the scriptures? You just quoted John 14:24 and 14:28 where Jesus said He was sent and He said the Father is greater than Him.
First of all of course Jesus Christ was sent by His Father. All you have to do is read John 3:13, John 6:38, John 6:42, John 6:33 or even Ephesians 4:10 where it is written that Jesus Christ came down from heaven. In order for Him to come down from heaven He had to preexist. In fact in the Old Testament at Isaiah 9:6 it says, "For a child will be born to us, A SON WILL BE GIVEN." In other words, He/Jesus was a Son BEFORE He was given and before He was born. Not only that but here is what Luke 2:11 states, "for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, WHO IS CHRIST THE LORD."
Now, to deal with why the Father is greater than all including Jesus Christ. This is clearly and easily explained at Philippians 2:6-8. The Son had voluntarily taken upon himself the form of a servant and the likeness of a man and submitted himself to the Father. In that form thereby foregoing His innate divinity and the powers associated with that divinity. As a man who was submitted to the Father, he had to receive authority for al that he did.
As a man, Jesus did not get special things that weren't already his before his incarnation as a man. he is the God who created the universe, therefore automatically had all the authority over it from the beginning. That this authority was returned to him after his purpsoe in the world was accomplished is also evident. If you notice at Philippians 2:6 it starts out by saying, "who, ALTHOUGH (although means in spite of the fact) He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped.
So the bottom line is that Jesus Christ was in one form/God and then took another form of that of a servant or human being. This is why vs 8 says, "And being found in the APPEARANCE AS A MAN, humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."
So when you hear questions like, "If Jesus is God how come He did not know the time of His own return?" Or like you said, "If Jesus is God how come He said the Father is greater than Him?" No matter what excuse one can come up with the answer is always the same, Jesus functioned as a 100% contingent human being. This means He always depended completely on His Father and this is also what we are suppose to be doing. Once you understand this all the excuses evaporate. And btw, Jesus Christ is the only visible manifestation of God, (John 1:18) there is no other because in order to be equal with God you would have to be God yourself. Now, what does not make sense to you dagallen?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Were not responsible for what the Roman Catholic church believes or don't believe. And I don't live by any traditions but by what the Bible says. And you have the "huevos" to tell valiant that he needs to read the scriptures? You just quoted John 14:24 and 14:28 where Jesus said He was sent and He said the Father is greater than Him.
First of all of course Jesus Christ was sent by His Father. All you have to do is read John 3:13, John 6:38, John 6:42, John 6:33 or even Ephesians 4:10 where it is written that Jesus Christ came down from heaven. In order for Him to come down from heaven He had to preexist. In fact in the Old Testament at Isaiah 9:6 it says, "For a child will be born to us, A SON WILL BE GIVEN." In other words, He/Jesus was a Son BEFORE He was given and before He was born. Not only that but here is what Luke 2:11 states, "for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, WHO IS CHRIST THE LORD."
Now, to deal with why the Father is greater than all including Jesus Christ. This is clearly and easily explained at Philippians 2:6-8. The Son had voluntarily taken upon himself the form of a servant and the likeness of a man and submitted himself to the Father. In that form thereby foregoing His innate divinity and the powers associated with that divinity. As a man who was submitted to the Father, he had to receive authority for al that he did.
As a man, Jesus did not get special things that weren't already his before his incarnation as a man. he is the God who created the universe, therefore automatically had all the authority over it from the beginning. That this authority was returned to him after his purpsoe in the world was accomplished is also evident. If you notice at Philippians 2:6 it starts out by saying, "who, ALTHOUGH (although means in spite of the fact) He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped.
So the bottom line is that Jesus Christ was in one form/God and then took another form of that of a servant or human being. This is why vs 8 says, "And being found in the APPEARANCE AS A MAN, humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross."
So when you hear questions like, "If Jesus is God how come He did not know the time of His own return?" Or like you said, "If Jesus is God how come He said the Father is greater than Him?" No matter what excuse one can come up with the answer is always the same, Jesus functioned as a 100% contingent human being. This means He always depended completely on His Father and this is also what we are suppose to be doing. Once you understand this all the excuses evaporate. And btw, Jesus Christ is the only visible manifestation of God, (John 1:18) there is no other because in order to be equal with God you would have to be God yourself. Now, what does not make sense to you dagallen?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
