The Trinity Discussion

[bluto]

Everything I posted comes from scriptures, I did not write the scriptures, so its not my interpretation, show me anything I just posted, that's not scriptures ?

Since you ask dagallen when you said, "show me anything I just posted, that's not scriptures" Ok, I will show you that your calling not only God a liar but the Scriptures are lying as well.

These are your words quoted exactly. "Jesus did not call himself God, his mother did not call Jesus God, his brother's did not call Jesus God, the 12 did not call Jesus God, interesting." No, what's interesting is that you (as usual) don't know what your talking about.

The Apostle Thomas identified/called Jesus God at John 20:28, "MY LORD AND MY GOD." The Apostle Peter identified/called Jesus God at 2 Peter 1:1, "Simon Peter, a bond-servant and APOSTLE of Jesus Christ, to those who have received a faith fo the same kind as ours, by the righteousness OF OUR GOD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST." Then there is the Apostle Paul at Titus 3:13 and Acts 20:28.

Finally there is God the Father identifying/calling His one and only begotten Son God at Hebrews 1:8, "Thy throne O God, is forever and ever." In short dagallen, your not only lying but your an amateur. Since you can't even compete/run with footmen and they have tired you out, Then how can you compete with horses? Jeremiah 12:5. The moral, your not messing around with little kids, your in the big leagues now boy.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Dagallen]

Since you ask dagallen when you said, "show me anything I just posted, that's not scriptures" Ok, I will show you that your calling not only God a liar but the Scriptures are lying as well.

These are your words quoted exactly. "Jesus did not call himself God, his mother did not call Jesus God, his brother's did not call Jesus God, the 12 did not call Jesus God, interesting." No, what's interesting is that you (as usual) don't know what your talking about.

The Apostle Thomas identified/called Jesus God at John 20:28, "MY LORD AND MY GOD." The Apostle Peter identified/called Jesus God at 2 Peter 1:1, "Simon Peter, a bond-servant and APOSTLE of Jesus Christ, to those who have received a faith fo the same kind as ours, by the righteousness OF OUR GOD AND SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST." Then there is the Apostle Paul at Titus 3:13 and Acts 20:28.

Finally there is God the Father identifying/calling His one and only begotten Son God at Hebrews 1:8, "Thy throne O God, is forever and ever." In short dagallen, your not only lying but your an amateur. Since you can't even compete/run with footmen and they have tired you out, Then how can you compete with horses? Jeremiah 12:5. The moral, your not messing around with little kids, your in the big leagues now boy.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Do you ever admit to being wrong on anything ?

 

[bluto]

Do you ever admit to being wrong on anything ?

First of dagallen, none of this is about me, it's all about you and what "YOU" said. And yes, ther are times I am wrong but this is not one of them. Your the one that stated the 12 Apostles did not say Jesus was God and when I gave explict verses that clearly contradicted your claim you change the subject to me even to the point of sending me a a personal notification message.

What in the word drives you heart that you have to keep kicking against the pricks like the Apostle Paul did before he got saved? In fact, did you know the Bible already anticapated people like you at Jude 4. "For ceretain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons (like you) who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness AND DENY OUR ONLY MASTER AND LORD JESUS CHRIST."

I hope and pray that you really think about these words and let them sink into your heart. There is only one Lord and Master that is God. Finally, I want you to know that I really do care for you and I continue to pray for you as well as others around here that deny our Lord Jesus Christ. Talk with God and ask Him to reveal Himself to you. This is what prayer is, talking to God. You need to take this stuff serious because it does have eternal consequences. You do not want to hear the 4 most lethal words in the Bible as far as I'm concerned at Matthew 7:23, "I NEVER KNEW YOU."

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Dagallen]

First of dagallen, none of this is about me, it's all about you and what "YOU" said. And yes, ther are times I am wrong but this is not one of them. Your the one that stated the 12 Apostles did not say Jesus was God and when I gave explict verses that clearly contradicted your claim you change the subject to me even to the point of sending me a a personal notification message.

What in the word drives you heart that you have to keep kicking against the pricks like the Apostle Paul did before he got saved? In fact, did you know the Bible already anticapated people like you at Jude 4. "For ceretain persons have crept in unnoticed, those who were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation, ungodly persons (like you) who turn the grace of our God into licentiousness AND DENY OUR ONLY MASTER AND LORD JESUS CHRIST."

I hope and pray that you really think about these words and let them sink into your heart. There is only one Lord and Master that is God. Finally, I want you to know that I really do care for you and I continue to pray for you as well as others around here that deny our Lord Jesus Christ. Talk with God and ask Him to reveal Himself to you. This is what prayer is, talking to God. You need to take this stuff serious because it does have eternal consequences. You do not want to hear the 4 most lethal words in the Bible as far as I'm concerned at Matthew 7:23, "I NEVER KNEW YOU."

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

You say I'm an ungodly person, you also call me a boy, is that what you do when you don't get your way ? You and I have already crossed path in the past, you haven't changed a bit. The message I sent you was way over due. You are a sinner just like the rest us.

 

[bluto]

You say I'm an ungodly person, you also call me a boy, is that what you do when you don't get your way ? You and I have already crossed path in the past, you haven't changed a bit. The message I sent you was way over due. You are a sinner just like the rest us.

Of course I'm a sinner just like you but I do not deny the deity of Jesus Christ which makes you still a sinner without any hope of salvation. And I called you boy because you think like a boy which I have told you before. When you stand before Jesus Christ to give an account nobody is going to be holding your hand. What are you going to say? "I didn't realize that your were God Almighty? Then it will be too late.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[Dagallen]

Of course I'm a sinner just like you but I do not deny the deity of Jesus Christ which makes you still a sinner without any hope of salvation. And I called you boy because you think like a boy which I have told you before. When you stand before Jesus Christ to give an account nobody is going to be holding your hand. What are you going to say? "I didn't realize that your were God Almighty? Then it will be too late.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

When I stand before Christ, I will say, I knew you weren't talking to yourself or praying to yourself, I knew you came in your Father's name, I knew you spoke your Father's words, I knew you weren't sitting at the right of yourself, I could go on but to do so would be a waste of time.

 

[valiant]

When I stand before Christ, I will say, I knew you weren't talking to yourself or praying to yourself,

No He was talking with His Father, one part of the Triune God talking to another,

I knew you came in your Father's name, I knew you spoke your Father's words,

True, the Father sent the Son to become man. God sent God.

I knew you weren't sitting at the right of yourself, I could go on but to do so would be a waste of time.

Jesus had a resurrection body which 'sat at the right hand of God.' His body was not merged in the Godhead. You clearly have no conception of what God is like. You are naïve.

But yes, do go off and stop wasting our time.

 

[Dagallen]

No He was talking with His Father, one part of the Triune God talking to another,




True, the Father sent the Son to become man.



Jesus had a resurrection body which 'sat at the right hand of God.' His body was not merged in the Godhead. You clearly have no conception of what God is like. You are naïve.

But yes, do go off and stop wasting our time.

I knew you from the past debate on this topic, your beliefs, I don't know what title you claim for yourself, maybe Roman Catholic or likely Jesus Only, personally myself, I claim one title, a child of Gods. I am not wasting your time but instead, I am wasting my time, talking to someone thinks he knows all things pertaining to God and the Savior who was sent. Do you know what the word ( and ) it appears not.

 

[trofimus]

When I stand before Christ, I will say, I knew you weren't talking to yourself or praying to yourself, I knew you came in your Father's name, I knew you spoke your Father's words, I knew you weren't sitting at the right of yourself, I could go on but to do so would be a waste of time.

Nobody says here that Jesus is Father.

So this will not help you.

 

[Dagallen]

Nobody says here that Jesus is Father.

So this will not help you.

I agree that Jesus is not the Father, do you say that the Father is God ?

 

[valiant]

I knew you from the past debate on this topic, your beliefs

good. But you clearly don't understand the doctrine of the Triune God.

, I don't know what title you claim for yourself,

I am a Biblical Christian,

maybe Roman Catholic or likely Jesus Only

Neither - only your petty sects deny the full deity of Jesus Christ.

, personally myself, I claim one title, a child of Gods.

how many gods?

I am not wasting your time but instead, I am wasting my time, talking to someone thinks he knows all things pertaining to God and the Savior who was sent.

I know and believe what the Scripture teach and what Jesus and the Apostles taught. You know and believe neither.

Do you know what the word ( and ) it appears not.

As someone whose English is poor you are in no position to ask such a question,

 

[valiant]

I agree that Jesus is not the Father, do you say that the Father is God ?

The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God. They are one God in Threeness, and they communicate with each other.

 

[trofimus]

I agree that Jesus is not the Father, do you say that the Father is God ?

Sure, Father is God, Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God.

 

[Dagallen]

good. But you clearly don't understand the doctrine of the Triune God.




I am a Biblical Christian,



Neither - only your petty sects deny the full deity of Jesus Christ.



how many gods?



I know and believe what the Scripture teach and what Jesus and the Apostles taught. You know and believe neither.




As someone whose English is poor you are in no position to ask such a question,

You don't know the meaning of the word ( and ) l am not surprised.

 

[Dagallen]

Sure, Father is God, Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God.

So you say, Father is God, Son is God, Holy Spirit is God but God the Son is not God the Father and not God the Holy Spirit, then you have three Gods but three Gods are the one and same God ? Interesting at best !

 

[Dagallen]

The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Spirit is God. They are one God in Threeness, and they communicate with each other.

It wouldn't be one God in threeness but it would be three Gods in oneness, as they communicate with each other, three Gods united together as one in purpose but we know that there is only one true God. It has nothing to do with numbers, it has to do with being united together as one in purpose, it's called unity.

 

[trofimus]

So you say, Father is God, Son is God, Holy Spirit is God but God the Son is not God the Father and not God the Holy Spirit, then you have three Gods but three Gods are the one and same God ? Interesting at best !

I agree that God is very interesting.

Why are you suprised that God's nature is not as primitive as yours or mine?

HIgher level of existence = higher complexity. It can be seen everywhere, 2D is more simple than 3D, one cell organisms are more simple than multicell organisms.

What is so suprising on the fact that God, spiritual being, can have multiple persons?

 

[Dagallen]

I agree that God is very interesting.

Why are you suprised that God's nature is not as primitive as yours or mine?

HIgher level of existence = higher complexity. It can be seen everywhere, 2D is more simple than 3D, one cell organisms are more simple than multicell organisms.

What is so suprising on the fact that God, spiritual being, can have multiple persons?

Christian roots came from Judaism, Judaism is a monotheistic belief ( one God ) as the OT declares singleness of God, as there was no belief of a polytheistic ( plural God ) a triune God, no trinity. As theologians agree that there is no triune God in the OT nor nothing in the NT that could be construed of a triune God, Catholic church admits, the trinity is a mystery that must be accepted by faith, taking 4 centuries to develop.

 

[trofimus]

Christian roots came from Judaism, Judaism is a monotheistic belief ( one God ) as the OT declares singleness of God, as there was no belief of a polytheistic ( plural God ) a triune God, no trinity. As theologians agree that there is no triune God in the OT nor nothing in the NT that could be construed of a triune God, Catholic church admits, the trinity is a mystery that must be accepted by faith, taking 4 centuries to develop.

Judaism got many things wrong. Even the most important one - Christ.

I would rather say that Christianity came from Christ and Christ from Israel and Israel by calling of Abraham.

Do not you accept the New Testament as inspired? Triunity is very clearly there.

 

[Dagallen]

Judaism got many things wrong. Even the most important one - Christ.

I would rather say that Christianity came from Christ and Christ from Israel and Israel by calling of Abraham.

Do not you accept the New Testament as inspired? Triunity is very clearly there.

The NT is the inspired words of God and ( which mean in addiction to God's inspired words, is the inspired words of man, as the two intertwine or the beginning of a relationship. Inspired by God to be written ? Yes ! But is very word in the NT the inspired word of God only ? No ! It's both God and man.