is the bible always the authority (heresy alert, dont click!)

[Denadii]

The Father is a living being who has commanded us to love him with all our minds, hearts, and souls.

Yes He is!!

 

[Enow]

I understand you to say that most Christians will use the Word to prove their point rather than uses the Word as spiritual food and learn from it?

The word can serve as milk and meat... milk to those new in the word... meat for discerning good & evil by His word, leaning on the Lord Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd since He is in us and is with us always.

Tongue speakers using the Word to show that tongues is a spirit language.

Erroneously when John 16:13 in all Bibles says that the Holy Spirit cannot use God's gift of tongues as His own personal means for prayer language in giving His intercessions.

Healers and Seers like me using the Word to prove our point, that if you are not healed, its because they choose not to believe the Word.

Sometimes, it is God's will for believers to have a thorn in the flesh; sometimes it is God's will for someone to be sick to be in that position to minister to the sick so that they may be saved. You cannot use His words as proof one way or another if they do not get an answer they like in prayer.

1 Corinthians 9:[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

I agree that the KJV is still the most accurate version of the bible out there. Anyway. Am I understanding you correctly?

The KJV is the only Bible I know that the Lord has confirmed as keeping ALL the meat of His words to discern good & evil by, but I rely on the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal Good Shepherd to help me understand and discern by His words as kept by those who loved Him in the KJV.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I believe that Paul did a good, but not perfect, job of obeying the Lord.

I am convinced someone puts your shoes on and cuts your food up for you.

 

[Denadii]

The word can serve as milk and meat... milk to those new in the word... meat for discerning good & evil by His word, leaning on the Lord Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd since He is in us and is with us always.



Erroneously when John 16:13 in all Bibles says that the Holy Spirit cannot use God's gift of tongues as His own personal means for prayer language in giving His intercessions.



Sometimes, it is God's will for believers to have a thorn in the flesh; sometimes it is God's will for someone to be sick to be in that position to minister to the sick so that they may be saved. You cannot use His words as proof one way or another if they do not get an answer they like in prayer.

1 Corinthians 9:[SUP]22 [/SUP]To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.[SUP]23 [/SUP]And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.



The KJV is the only Bible I know that the Lord has confirmed as keeping ALL the meat of His words to discern good & evil by, but I rely on the Lord Jesus Christ as my personal Good Shepherd to help me understand and discern by His words as kept by those who loved Him in the KJV.

Well....We agree on the point of the KJV bible...Nothing else.

 

[Willie-T]

So how do you know when to follow what he teaches and when not to?
When was he good and when did he fail?

That's where getting the rest of the Bible down inside you comes in. It gives you something to reflect present and current studies against.

 

[resurrection33]

So how do you know when to follow what he teaches and when not to?
When was he good and when did he fail?

You need to develop your own judgment. Do you believe everything your pastor says or do you take his teachings with a grain of salt?

 

[resurrection33]

I am convinced someone puts your shoes on and cuts your food up for you.

No, I do that myself.

 

[notuptome]

I am convinced someone puts your shoes on and cuts your food up for you.

That is amusing. Be careful because someone will chastise you for being rude and judgmental. None the less it is amusing. I wonder if it's his mommy?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Persuaded]

You need to develop your own judgment. Do you believe everything your pastor says or do you take his teachings with a grain of salt?

So your judgment is greater than Paul's.
YOU make the decision when to believe Paul and when to ignore Paul.
And people ask where do all these different interpretations come from!
Of course I believe everything my pastor says, seeing that I serve as pastor of the church I attend.
BUT, I tell everyone else in the assembly to never take my word for it.
Go the the Word and make sure I am correct.

 

[resurrection33]

So your judgment is greater than Paul's.
YOU make the decision when to believe Paul and when to ignore Paul.
And people ask where do all these different interpretations come from!
Of course I believe everything my pastor says, seeing that I serve as pastor of the church I attend.
BUT, I tell everyone else in the assembly to never take my word for it.
Go the the Word and make sure I am correct.

None of us understands everything, and I think Paul had a weakness in his understanding of the role of women. You might remember he said they weren't allowed to speak when they were in a church.

 

[Silentwarrior]

I think maybe what you meant is sometimes warnings come through people from God himself to be given to others and those things are not in the Bible but when they don't obey Gods prophetic warnings then stuff happens to them and a silent Warrior is only silent when God tells them to be silent. Our God Saves.

 

[Persuaded]

None of us understands everything, and I think Paul had a weakness in his understanding of the role of women. You might remember he said they weren't allowed to speak when they were in a church.[/SIZE]

You are correct when you say "none of us understands everything".
But I will always take Paul's understanding before mine or yours.
Paul was an Apostle of God. He was taught by God. He followed the leadership of the Holy Spirit when he wrote.
For me or anyone else to question Paul, or even suggest that "Paul had a weakness in his understanding" is foolishness and a sign of pride in self.

 

[Enoch987]

hahaaaaaa i know all heresy hunters will click on this........

but see i had a dream about this and im thinking does the bible always remain the final authority??????? its said today in many creeds and such..... but if u look at the bible, there are times when people are commanded to do something that the church would condemn today u see..... i mean the story where that mon is asked to marry a harlot and has to 'buy' her own wife back u see....... if u married a prost/harlot today ud be scolded for sure and bombed with bible quotes but this mon did it anyway...........
another situation is where rahab was commended for lying to the king's messengers which is in violation of the bible's commandments too (lies)............ and then we have the big patriach that big boi big man jacob who also lied to his own father and no consequences came......... there are probably more examples u see.

so what im saying is how does this fit with the bible final authority thing we read in all of the creeds these people disobeyed bible and it was fine and dandy sometimes even God ordained??????? the church would condemn all these people 100% if they did those things today........

and dont worry im not fikkle i got my helmet on its gonna be a bumpy ride for me hahahaha for this thread......

Exodus' midwives lied to save lives. A woman told the pursuers of David's men that they went towards the water, they were hiding in the well. The pursuers searched near the river. Jeremiah didn't tell the whole truth to king Zedikiah's advisors. I see no sin in lying to prevent a murder or for national security.

 

[resurrection33]

You are correct when you say "none of us understands everything".
But I will always take Paul's understanding before mine or yours.
Paul was an Apostle of God. He was taught by God. He followed the leadership of the Holy Spirit when he wrote.
For me or anyone else to question Paul, or even suggest that "Paul had a weakness in his understanding" is foolishness and a sign of pride in self.

I wouldn't suggest you follow Paul, or any other human being other than Jesus, blindly.

 

[Persuaded]

I wouldn't suggest you follow Paul, or any other human being other than Jesus, blindly.

I have never found one thing Paul taught that disagrees with what Jesus taught.

 

[resurrection33]

I have never found one thing Paul taught that disagrees with what Jesus taught.

Jesus taught that the great commandment was to love the Lord with all our heart, mind, and soul. Paul told us it was to love your neighbor as yourself.

Jesus also said to love your neighbor as yourself. Paul said women can't speak in church. (How would Paul like someone to tell HIM not to speak in church?)

Jesus said we are not to call ourselves teachers. Paul called himself a teacher.

 

[Persuaded]

I wouldn't suggest you follow Paul, or any other human being other than Jesus, blindly.

Just curious, does your church limit their teaching to just what Jesus and God said, or does it teach from the whole bible.
The reason I ask is I remembered many years ago I heard of a church that only used the four Gospels of the NT and never taught from any other book.

 

[resurrection33]

Just curious, does your church limit their teaching to just what Jesus and God said, or does it teach from the whole bible.
The reason I ask is I remembered many years ago I heard of a church that only used the four Gospels of the NT and never taught from any other book.

Paul has much to teach us. You shouldn't follow him blindly, though.

 

[Denadii]

Originally Posted by resurrection33

I believe that Paul did a good, but not perfect, job of obeying the Lord.

So how do you know when to follow what he teaches and when not to?
When was he good and when did he fail?

You need to develop your own judgment. Do you believe everything your pastor says or do you take his teachings with a grain of salt?

With all due respect....This is pure foolishness. Look!
[h=1]2 Timothy 3:16-17 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]16 [/SUP]All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults and training in right living; [SUP]17 [/SUP]thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equipped for every good work.

If its written in the book, you follow it! To do otherwise is disobedience to the Word. Just like that.

 

[resurrection33]

So how do you know when to follow what he teaches and when not to?
When was he good and when did he fail?





With all due respect....This is pure foolishness. Look!
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (CJB)

[SUP]16[/SUP]All Scripture is God-breathed and is valuable for teaching the truth, convicting of sin, correcting faults and training in right living; [SUP]17 [/SUP]thus anyone who belongs to God may be fully equipped for every good work.

If its written in the book, you follow it! To do otherwise is disobedience to the Word. Just like that.

I am suggesting you not follow Paul blindly. Follow Jesus blindly.