Not By Works

[FranC]

I don't live in fear, yet I still would not give out my personal information over the internet either. It sounds like you are not interested in a civil discussion. Moving on.

PERSONAL INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!

LOL


Here, I'll start...

I can't go to any Church right now...

But I used to go to a Nazarene Church in Queens NY.
Great Church.
Simple
Basic
Bible believing
Discipleship teaching
Freedom in Jesus
Hate for sin
Understanding of Sin Nature
Great teachings on Book of Romans


Your turn...
Or are you ashamed of the Church you go to???

Are you ashamed of Jesus?

Jesus said IF we're ashamed of HIS WORD, He will be ashamed of us on the last day...

Here you are, can't even tell us what Church you go to,
but you're willing to tell all us WORKERS how wrong we are!

Incredible...


Luke 9:26
New International Version
Whoever is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.

 

[notuptome]

The earliest gatherings of the group we now know as Christians met in the outer court of the temple. They met on the Jewish Sabbath and worshipped in the outer court. The religionists stopped them and forced them to meet on the first day of the week which is according to our calendar Sunday. All this was about three hundred years before Constantine so sorry to Rome you did not invent Sunday worship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yeah that would be helpful.


Still wondering if LGF believe that Jesus condemns anyone who doesn't keep the seventh day SABBATH?

I know JaumeJ keeps the Sabbath and others on this forum do also but they don't condemn others For not observing it as they do. Nor do they believe God will condemn them.

They want to meet on Saterday there is no problem. I think we all should rest on yesterday myself. God made it for man. It is not good to work 7 days a week, that's why we are so stressed and worn out all the time, we do not take time to rest.

But to judge others, or say someone can not be saved if they do not do it They better be perfect. and not commit any sin,because they are placing us under law.. And thus reject grace.

 

[FranC]

maybe its too early...


are you being facetious?

(honest question)

Of course.

 

[Grace777x70]

I and many others have said many times that people are free in Christ to observe the Sabbath as they choose.

What people are against are those that say "If you don't observe the Sabbath as in the Old Testament way - you are sinning and dis-obeying God".

That is the Judaizing spirit that we are against that is perverting the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

So, we are in total agreement with Romans 14.

This constant twisting of what is really being said is the reason I don't interact with some people that continually exhibit this type of behavior. It's a waste of time and it's purpose is to cause strife and division.


Don't fall for the "baiting" - it will have no good purpose.

People have the option to just agree to dis-agree too. Guard your hearts.

 

[FranC]

Let's be fair here Mr. Mailman, tell us what church you go to so we can compare it to the SDA.

Good idea.

How much you wanna bet he never does??

 

[FranC]

from what I see LGF has faith in his works, Not faith in God. Like so many of you workers do.

Why do you continue to twist what other people say? Yes he expects you to read all of that stuff. How do you expect to know what he believes if you only read part of it Most likely that is what the problem is to begin with.

People read part. They ASSUME they know what the other is saying, Then they go off that predetermined idea of what others believe and not what they actually believe, Then we have these month long fights which will never be resolved because no one wants to listen,.

DOES THAT INCLUDE YOU??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Good idea.

How much you wanna bet he never does??

well you just admitted you do not. So...

 

[PHart]

Fran,
The early church fathers and historical writers of the first century, not to mention the apostles, all spoke of the believers getting together to break bread (and worship, we presume) on the first day of the week... the day that Christ rose from the dead....

The RCC didn't start that practice, they continued it.

Hello, fellow with the screen name that you have to read real carefully.

Very true, the early church met on Sunday's in celebration of the resurrection, and Fran knows that better than all of us. The early Catholic church is who made it a law (I'm not kidding) to keep the ceremonial law. That's why we are what we are today. Some people are adamant that Sunday is the actual Sabbath Day. Some think that God himself instituted the traditions we Christians follow every Sunday and throughout the year. And which is why they think they are sinning if they don't do that.

 

[FranC]

I wonder How many people understand what you just said?

and how many will twist your words to mean that you are against people living morally upright and godly lives?

What's to understand.

This is Christianity 101.

When do we get passed it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

DOES THAT INCLUDE YOU??

If I slander others, because I do not listen to what they say, then yes.. I am not innocent, I have done so in the past..

 

[Rosemaryx]

Hi everyone...I believe i am truly saved, why, because God called me ...I had faith in God before i had faith in His Son Jesus...Now i am saved i like to obey Him, no i love to obey Him, when i sin i know i hurt Him and i repent, receive His forgiveness and carry on in Him...I do not believe works are added to keep me saved, but i do believe we are to do works, to represent ourselves to the world, to let the light of our Lord shine in the darkness,just as Jesus said in Matthew 5:16 " Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven...xox...

 

[Chch]

They want to meet on Saterday there is no problem. I think we all should rest on yesterday myself. God made it for man. It is not good to work 7 days a week, that's why we are so stressed and worn out all the time, we do not take time to rest.

A friend of mine say that if you do not take your Sabbath rest, the Sabbath rest will eventually take you.

 

[hornetguy]

The writings of the New Testament were compiled long after Christ ascended to the right hand of power. My concerted study of the NT has always been teh Gospels with the letters to various assemblies and their particular problems hold the position of being more historical than as dirct from Jesus.. After all the writings of the Epistles were not compled as one Book of the NT for at least a century after.

Until that time the writings consisted of teh Tanakh, and it was good enough to reveal Jesus christ to new believers and train them well in the history of God's Word until and including Christ's first advent.

NO believer of Jesus Christ, Who, not under the law, observed the Seventh Day on the Seventh Day, believes it has been changed to the First Day. Whether it be Apostles, Paul, the Pope, Martin Luther, or any other fleshly teacher.

Nowhere will you find that God has changed the order of His work and Rest resulting in the creation, nowhere. Do not sayotherwise for it is not changed.

I did not say that the Jewish Sabbath had changed days... it is still on Saturday.

I am not Jewish. I am not still under the old law... I have been freed from that by the sacrifice of Jesus, and the new covenant. ALL of the LAW and the prophets have been covered by two commands... Love God, and love my fellow man.

I worship, and commune with my brothers and sisters as the first century church did..... on the FIRST day of the week.

If you wish to keep the Jewish Sabbath, and pretend to still be under Mosaic law, you are free to do so.

 

[AllenW]

not to be mean, But would it not be better if they just both shared their belief, that way we can judge forourselves without any preconceived notions of what they believe.

I think that is one of the problems here..

I find it difficult that
Christians feel a need to hide their identities from other Christians.
What are they hiding?
What are they afraid of?
Do they carried concealed weapons where ever they go?
Do they stay hidden in their homes?
Or is there more to it than that?

 

[Chch]

i do believe we are to do works, to represent ourselves to the world, to let the light of our Lord shine in the darkness,just as Jesus said in Matthew 5:16 " Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven...xox...

Hear, hear. I agree with you, although when we do the works of the Father in heaven (as did Jesus), it could be said that we re-present Jesus to the world around us.

 

[JaumeJ]

M`y own faith confessed.

I belong to the faith of Abraham as taught by Jesus christ, Yeshua.

There is no denominationalname for my people, though there are some
of my people in all walks of denominations, atheism, agosticism, and
any other group you can name. I know this because my Father has
taught me so by His Son, our Salvation.

We are warned never to judge to condemnation...yet many come into
this forum judging thus like mad men.

Think about how God has declared, "So what if I justify the ungodly.." What is that to you?
Do you know the hearts of men.

I could never joind any named denomination, not of what you all call christianity nor what others and some of you call judaism; they ae all sects.

The cults of judaism had already begun whyen our blessed Salvation came to perform Hismission for
us culminating in His voluntary and most excruciating death on a tree.

Anyone who love Jesus Christ ismy family, though I do prefer thename His parents called Him, Yeshua..Yeshua si my accent, so not corrections or hairsplitting..I have read teh Word in Hebrew..so allow me an accent.

Abut the SDA, as far as I know they have come about to confess Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and God, so now it is right up there with so may other Protestant denominations.

Yeshua is returning very soon. I may be sleeping with my fathers before He returns, but I do not think it imprudent to warn all to prepare for His return as if it were tnight. Of c9ourse there is some tribulation to come first, and those who blieve see it coming, and if some do not yet, they will, and right soon.

OUr Father is always good; remember that alays yourselves..

 

[FranC]

I actually attend a non-denominational Christian church that holds to essential Christian doctrine.

Non-denominational !!

No wonder.

You're attending the Church of some guy that teaches what HE believes.

My Brother used to attend one.
Very psychological in nature.
He was smart and quit and now goes to a REAL Church.

How does your Church hold to essential Christian doctrine when you don't even believe we must obey our Lord and Savior.

Which means that you accept Jesus as your Savior,
but you can't go all the way and accept Him as you LORD. Sorry, I mean Lord.

Thomas said "My Lord and my God."
John 20:28

Jesus must be God, Savior and Lord
or there's something missing.

 

[hornetguy]

Hello, fellow with the screen name that you have to read real carefully.

Very true, the early church met on Sunday's in celebration of the resurrection, and Fran knows that better than all of us. The early Catholic church is who made it a law (I'm not kidding) to keep the ceremonial law. That's why we are what we are today. Some people are adamant that Sunday is the actual Sabbath Day. Some think that God himself instituted the traditions we Christians follow every Sunday and throughout the year. And which is why they think they are sinning if they don't do that.

LOL... pot, meet kettle.... to the guy whose screen name brings to mind embarrassing gastric phenomena.....

and, I'm not sure who "instituted" Sunday meeting/breaking of bread... I just know that the early church did it, and it corresponds to the day Jesus was raised from the dead, so that's good enough for me.

Worship should be a daily thing, anyway.... it's simply convenient to ALL meet together on one or two days a week...

 

[Grace777x70]

We "get to do good works" because His life is in us now - but they are not for salvation nor for maintaining being saved. That's an anti-Christ belief system that is simply a works-based self-righteousness belief system that denies the very work of Christ.


An example of "good works" are when we encourage people to actually believe what Jesus has said and what He has already done. It is a good work to encourage Christians to believe that He alone has obtained eternal redemption for us. Heb. 9:12

Right believing in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection and that we too have died with Him and rose to newness of life - will bring right thinking ( repentance ) which will manifest in His life being seen in our lives outwardly as His fruit is borne on us the branches.

This is what produces real godliness based on Christ alone by grace through faith.

Without Him - we can do nothing.

It is a "good work" to encourage people to trust that He who has begun a good work in you will perfect it. (Phil. 1:6)

It is a "good work" to encourage Christians to believe that we are new creations in Christ ( 2 Cor. 5:17 )

It is a "good work" to encourage Christians that Christ alone is our wisdom, our righteousness and our sanctification and our redemption. ( 1 Cor. 1:30 )

It is a "good work" to encourage Christians to believe that we are saved by grace through faith alone in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection and no amount of good works can save us nor "keep us saved". Christ alone is the Savior of the world - especially of believers. ( Eph. 2:8-19 & 1 Tim. 4:10 )

It is a "good work" to encourage Christians that we will walk in the good works that God has already prepare for us to walk in as His life becomes manifested in and through us to reveal the love and grace of our loving Father and our Lord has for others. ( Eph. 2:10 & Phil. 2:13 )

It is a "good work" for us to encourage Christians that we are safe in the hands of the Lord and we who truly believe have been sealed by the Holy Spirit and He will be in us forever - just like Jesus said. ( Eph. 1:13, 4:20 & John 14:16 )

Other examples of a "good work" are helping others in whatever way we are directed by the love and Spirit of God within us.

It is also a "good work" to remind Christians that there is a warning for not relying on the life of Christ in us for life and living while on this earth.

All the works of the flesh will bring destruction in this life of some sort - whether living the homosexual lifestyle or the exhibiting of malice, outbursts of anger, deceitfulness or the slandering of others in the body of Christ.

Fail to rely on the grace of God that is only in Christ's finished work and trying to do things in our own flesh will not get us to experience the life of Christ that is in our inner man of the heart where Christ dwells and where we are in the kingdom of God.

The warning scriptures are needed and to be heeded - once the proper foundation of Christ and His finished work are firmly established in the hearts and minds of us Christians. From there - then the warning scriptures will have their proper place.

But the firm foundation is Christ Himself and you can no more lose the redemption that is in Christ then Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of Revelation.

We are beloved children of our loving Father and He will not throw His beloved children into hell and the lake of fire because they don't do enough "good works".

Where there is "security" - there are the nutrients for "maturity". Let's believe what Christ has said and what He has already done for us and grow in the grace and knowledge of Him.