Not By Works

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eternally-gratefull

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can we at least agree OUR works mean nothing

but the Workings of the Holy Spirit in us cause us to practice righteousness



i just dont see how this is over 1200 pages
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very few are being gentle and patient

i see mainly passive aggression and hidden grudges


which is exactly what God says not to do...

where are the peace makers?

Thats just it

Half are saying our works are a byproduct of our faith. That those who have true faiht will work. and not be like the world. and those who continue in sin have no faith (their faith is dead) Yet being told by the other half we hate works, or deny they are necessary, That "work" is a bad word and we love sin.

Half are saying we maintain our salvation by our works. then deny they teach salvation by works.

Thats why this thread continues..

as for the peacemakers. read pauls letters the same thing has been going on since the church started. Grace vs religion (works) it will stop when Christ returns and it gets settled once and for all.
 
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But what does this All sufficient entail exactly? Because you point folks to many websites and if Jesus is enough or all it takes then why all the man authored sites? Scripture alone should suffice in directing them
AMEN!!

It's what JESUS said that is important ---
not what some MAN thinks He said.

Great point.
 
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Only God who knows us will determine the "origin" of all works. Paul says in 1 Cor. 13 that we can do all kinds of good works but still not be motivated by love which is God within us manifesting outwardly.

This is a truth below that speaks to the striving in the flesh to do "things" but they are not necessarily from God for us to do at the time. We are to be led by the Spirit of God in all things.

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You may have harnessed the energy of the flesh in an otherwise quite genuine desire to honor the Lord Jesus in your life. The flesh, which has its origin in Satan, will go along with you; to survive, it is quite prepared to engage in every form of Christian activity, even though this may seem to honor Christ.

The flesh will sing in the choir, teach Sunday school, preside at a deacons’ meeting, preach from the pulpit, organize an evangelistic crusade, go to Bible college, volunteer for the mission field, and a thousand other things, all of which may in themselves be otherwise legitimate, if only it can keep its neck out of the noose.

The flesh will threaten, shout, strut, domineer, sulk, plot, creep, beg, plead, or sob, whatever the situation may demand in the interests of its own survival. By any and all means it will seek to cause every Christian to live by his own strength instead of by the power and grace of the Lord Jesus, and to conclude that doing so is actually a good thing!

The characteristic of the spiritually immature is that they are unable to discern between good and evil (Hebrews 5:13-14), and the baby Christian, like the foolish Galatians, “having begun in the Spirit” still tries to be “made perfect by the flesh” (Galatians 3:3).

We must be particularly patient with those whose lack of understanding allows a genuine love for the Lord Jesus to be satisfied with, and sometimes to be quite enthusiastic about, Christian activities involving means and methods which are heavily contaminated by the flesh. These are more deserving of instruction than rebuke, for they are still in their spiritual babyhood.

.....The flesh will seek to produce the most plausible arguments in justification of its own illegitimate activities, even though these activities are only what the Bible calls “dead works” (Hebrews 6:1; 9:14) and not the “good works” which are truly the work of God.

“Good works” are those that have their origin in Jesus Christ, as Christ’s activity is released through your body because you present it to Him as a living sacrifice. You do this only by faith that expresses total dependence, as opposed to Adamic independence."



Major Ian Thomas: The Way Of The Flesh; from The Indwelling Life of Christ
 
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Yeah that would be helpful.


Still wondering if LGF believe that Jesus condemns anyone who doesn't keep the seventh day SABBATH?

I know JaumeJ keeps the Sabbath and others on this forum do also but they don't condemn others For not observing it as they do. Nor do they believe God will condemn them.
LGodF answered this at least two times that I could remember.
Maybe 3.

Further proof that some here DO NOT LISTEN when people speak...
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Baptist.
OSAS. Not biblical.

Doesn't teach salvation by works: Liberal. Was Jesus a liberal? JESUS SAID: IF you are my friend, you will OBEY my
commandments.

Sounds like there were some commandments to obey.

Doesn't deny the Deity of Christ: Whew!
see, I rest my case.

Assumptions based on what she thinks..

ps. Not all baptist believe in eternal security.. A fact I am sure you did not know.
 
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UnderGrace

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It has been settled once and for all, on the cross. It is just that people refuse to believe it


Thats just it

Half are saying our works are a byproduct of our faith. That those who have true faiht will work. and not be like the world. and those who continue in sin have no faith (their faith is dead) Yet being told by the other half we hate works, or deny they are necessary, That "work" is a bad word and we love sin.

Half are saying we maintain our salvation by our works. then deny they teach salvation by works.

Thats why this thread continues..

as for the peacemakers. read pauls letters the same thing has been going on since the church started. Grace vs religion (works) it will stop when Christ returns and it gets settled once and for all.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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YOU just don't listen to persons.
Nor do all those that gave you a like.
It's a nice little club you've got there.

But Church is not a club.
its not a cathedral or building where a bunch of ceremonies go on either.

it is a family.
 

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Baptist.
OSAS. Not biblical.

Doesn't teach salvation by works: Liberal. Was Jesus a liberal? JESUS SAID: IF you are my friend, you will OBEY my
commandments.
Sounds like there were some commandments to obey.

Doesn't deny the Deity of Christ: Whew!
Yeah, baptists.
The whole congregations votes on everything.
very democratic
where is that in the Bible?
Some baptist say you get baptized in their church or it doesn't count.
Some baptists say KJV only or it's the devil's bible.
Some baptists say grape juice is all through the Bible, not wine.
Some baptists say taking a drink of alcohol or smoking a cigarette is a sin against God and they all look down on you.
Some baptists get peeved if the pastor preaches one minute too long because then they'll have to wait in line at the restaurant.

And some people are proud to say their church is just like a baptist.
Frankly, I'd rather go to an SDA church.
I know a lot of born again Christians in those churches.
 
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If you knew anything about the laws governing the Sabbath it would be self-evident that that event could NOT have happened on the Sabbath else everyone participating would have been in breach of the Sabbath!
Oh please.
Did you read my post?

Did Jesus not pick wheat on a Saturday?
Did He not heal on a Saturday?

WAS IT ALLOWED? NO!!!

Isn't that why He said that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath?

READ YOUR BIBLE. Read the verses before and after the following. Come back and tell us what it's all about.

Mark 2:27 New International Version (NIV)

27 Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
 

preacher4truth

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OSAS isn't a "Baptist Doctrine" nor is it unbiblical.

Rather, it is a biblical doctrine, and isn't believed only by Baptists, but also by the Reformed which includes much more than the Baptist community.

It is a doctrine that the church has held to throughout history; it is biblical, orthodox and sound. Sounds to me that some need to lose their salvation and exchange it for His. ;)
 
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OSAS isn't a "Baptist Doctrine" nor is it unbiblical.

Rather, it is a biblical doctrine, and isn't believed only by Baptists, but also by the Reformed which includes much more than the Baptist community.

It is a doctrine that the church has held to throughout history; it is biblical, orthodox and sound. Sounds to me that some need to lose their salvation and exchange it for His. ;)
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The writings of the New Testament were compiled long after Christ ascended to the right hand of power. My concerted study of the NT has always been teh Gospels with the letters to various assemblies and their particular problems hold the position of being more historical than as dirct from Jesus.. After all the writings of the Epistles were not compled as one Book of the NT for at least a century after.

Until that time the writings consisted of teh Tanakh, and it was good enough to reveal Jesus christ to new believers and train them well in the history of God's Word until and including Christ's first advent.

NO believer of Jesus Christ, Who, not under the law, observed the Seventh Day on the Seventh Day, believes it has been changed to the First Day. Whether it be Apostles, Paul, the Pope, Martin Luther, or any other fleshly teacher.

Nowhere will you find that God has changed the order of His work and Rest resulting in the creation, nowhere. Do not sayotherwise for it is not changed.
I agree with the above.

There is ONE verse that says the Apostles got together on the first day of the week.
The first day of the week was Sunday.

Could you comment on this please?
Acts 20:7


I did mention that none of the early Church documents mentioned that the day of worship was changed from Saturday to Sunday.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yeah, baptists.
The whole congregations votes on everything.
very democratic
where is that in the Bible?
Some baptist say you get baptized in their church or it doesn't count.
Some baptists say KJV only or it's the devil's bible.
Some baptists say grape juice is all through the Bible, not wine.
Some baptists say taking a drink of alcohol or smoking a cigarette is a sin against God and they all look down on you.
Some baptists get peeved if the pastor preaches one minute too long because then they'll have to wait in line at the restaurant.

And some people are proud to say their church is just like a baptist.
Frankly, I'd rather go to an SDA church.
I know a lot of born again Christians in those churches.
I rest my case again.

Me I would rather go to a non denomination church who focuses on Gods people and the world. and not some traditional church who focuses on getting the church service correct. Who meet one day a week, maybe 2. who do not even know each other outside of church, because their gathering time is maybe a pot luck dinner once or twice a year. Who have 20 minute sermonettes, instead of preaching the word. Who focus on discipleship and not numbers.

 
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smh,

Fran give it up. It is evident you have no idea what EG believes.

I worship God every day of the week, Church is not for worship. Man made up that idea, The Early church met in homes, they broke bread, they fellow shiped. they prayed, and they reasoned with each other from the word. Some of the church met daily, Not just on the first day of the week or yesterday. They did not meat in these extravagant holy places. they did not do all these traditional ceremonies and all this stuff modern day churches do. That did not start until the roman catholic church was started.

oh and by the way, I meet with my churhc family multiple times a week.. So please. do not try to think you know me.



Exactly.
I agree.

So maybe Saturday worship SHOULD have been kept??
Sounds like you might agree with this.
 
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If scripture is enough...then why do people bother talking at all? Why not just quote scriptures 24/7?
Zi is right.

We should be discussing scripture.
Not posting what someone on the internet thinks.
Who cares what they think?

I care what JESUS thinks.
 
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The earliest gatherings of the group we now know as Christians met in the outer court of the temple. They met on the Jewish Sabbath and worshipped in the outer court. The religionists stopped them and forced them to meet on the first day of the week which is according to our calendar Sunday. All this was about three hundred years before Constantine so sorry to Rome you did not invent Sunday worship.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Oooh. Another Christian that believes we should be worshipping on Saturday!

LGodF will be happy to hear it.
 
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I and many others have said many times that people are free in Christ to observe the Sabbath as they choose.

What people are against are those that say "If you don't observe the Sabbath as in the Old Testament way - you are sinning and dis-obeying God".

That is the Judaizing spirit that we are against that is perverting the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

So, we are in total agreement with Romans 14.

This constant twisting of what is really being said is the reason I don't interact with some people that continually exhibit this type of behavior. It's a waste of time and it's purpose is to cause strife and division.



Don't fall for the "baiting" - it will have no good purpose.

People have the option to just agree to dis-agree too. Guard your hearts.
That's what they believe.

Dcon has told me I'm going to hell for what I believe.
What's the difference?

YOU believe what you believe.
YOU try to convince everybody that YOU are right.
What's the difference?

Hypocricy is the difference.
Seeing the splinter in the other's eyes and not the log in your own.

What we should be doing is paying attention to what JESUS SAID.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Exactly.
I agree.

So maybe Saturday worship SHOULD have been kept??
Sounds like you might agree with this.
No, We should worship every day

is this a bad thing?
 

AllenW

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I rest my case again.

Me I would rather go to a non denomination church who focuses on Gods people and the world. and not some traditional church who focuses on getting the church service correct. Who meet one day a week, maybe 2. who do not even know each other outside of church, because their gathering time is maybe a pot luck dinner once or twice a year. Who have 20 minute sermonettes, instead of preaching the word. Who focus on discipleship and not numbers.

I have been to an SDA service on a Saturday morning.
What you are describing is not true.
My friends who are born again SDA members have a family of friends who care for each other, which again contradicts what you say.

And you would rather go to MMD"s church that you know nothing about.
They may be cannibals for all we know.
After all, it is a big secret who they are.

All this says that you have no idea what you are talking about.