The Trinity Discussion

[jaybird88]

christianity is pagan? ok you are done........... what more can be said.

he said the church not Christianity.

 

[Dagallen]

he said the church not Christianity.

I guess some need of course of History. The Catholic Church was on the Eastern side of Galilee, those who attended the church, we're Pagans and Christians. Christ divided the Catholic Church of the east, as Pagans left the church of the east and went to the western side of Galilee and built a church on the western side, the church of West we're Pagans. Paganism was the belief of Rome, the church then added the name Roman, the church became known as the Roman Catholic church, it became the belief system of Rome, the ones who remained in the east were Christians, the ones in the west, were Pagans. As both churches of the east and west have a lot in common but yet their over all beliefs are different. Over time both churches have made many changes, as the east accepted some of the belief of the west, just as the west has accepted some of the belief of the east, as it is difficult sometimes to tell them a part.

 

[Bogadile]

Dagallen your posts sound like Arianism, this heresy was tackled by the early church and thank God they won. This early church, you would most likely call "pagan" or pagan influenced.


Meet my friend St Nicholas who punched Arius during the council:

 

[trofimus]

There is one God and one begotten of the one God who was sent, are both divined ? Of course !

So, two Gods?

 

[Lighthearted]

How does one explain Genesis 3:8? How did Adam and Eve hear Him walking and hide themselves?

 

[Dagallen]

Dagallen your posts sound like Arianism, this heresy was tackled by the early church and thank God they won. This early church, you would most likely call "pagan" or pagan influenced.


Meet my friend St Nicholas who punched Arius during the council:

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The ones who stayed in the east were Christians, the ones who went west were Pagans, as the east is the true Catholic church, as the west is the Roman Catholic church that was under the influence of the Roman Empire, as the trinity concept was elevated by the west, Pagans, it did not come from the Eastern side of Galilee. As the east were persuaders of Mercy, as the west were persuaders of force .As Christ was a persuader of Mercy not a persuader of force but it's hard tell one from the other these days.

 

[Dagallen]

So, two Gods?

No not two God's, one divined God and one divined being begotten of one God, as the begotten one is not God, the begotten one is the image of God. Are both divined ? Of course ! Are both God ? No ! One is God, one is the image of the one God.

 

[Bogadile]

The ones who stayed in the east were Christians, the ones who went west were Pagans, as the east is the true Catholic church, as the west is the Roman Catholic church that was under the influence of the Roman Empire, as the trinity concept was elevated by the west, Pagans, it did not come from the Eastern side of Galilee. As the east were persuaders of Mercy, as the west were persuaders of force .As Christ was a persuader of Mercy not a persuader of force but it's hard tell one from the other these days.

I do not know how to break this to you but uhh.. the eastern church would today be known as the ORTHODOX CHURCHES and guess what buddy? They are probably the most pure trinitarian church there is in the world. They are truly trinitarian.

 

[Bogadile]

No not two God's, one divined God and one divined being begotten of one God, as the begotten one is not God, the begotten one is the image of God. Are both divined ? Of course ! Are both God ? No ! One is God, one is the image of the one God.

Sooo two gods?

The very God of very God, you ever heard of that?

 

[trofimus]

No not two God's, one divined God and one divined being begotten of one God, as the begotten one is not God, the begotten one is the image of God. Are both divined ? Of course ! Are both God ? No ! One is God, one is the image of the one God.

Explain a difference between God and divined.

Also, explain why Bible says that Christ is God.

Also, explain how the one begotten of God differes from God in His nature.

 

[trofimus]

I do not know how to break this to you but uhh.. the eastern church would today be known as the ORTHODOX CHURCHES and guess what buddy? They are probably the most pure trinitarian church there is in the world. They are truly trinitarian.

Exactly, orthodox Christians are the most prominent ones in the Trinity teaching... but thats probably why he used a phrase "east of Galilee" (whatever that should mean, some villages in Israel?)

 

[Bogadile]

Exactly, orthodox Christians are the most prominent ones in the Trinity teaching... but thats probably why he used a phrase "east of Galilee" (whatever that should mean, some villages in Israel?)

I learned that from James White to be honest But I have attended an Orthodox church a few times, it was great.

James White made a video about the bible answerman and mentioned that.

 

[trofimus]

I learned that from James White to be honest But I have attended an Orthodox church a few times, it was great.

James White made a video about the bible answerman and mentioned that.

I have read the orthodox confession of faith, I use their reasoning for the pope not being the head of church.

 

[Dagallen]

I do not know how to break this to you but uhh.. the eastern church would today be known as the ORTHODOX CHURCHES and guess what buddy? They are probably the most pure trinitarian church there is in the world. They are truly trinitarian.

I guess you did not pay attention, the two churches began to accept beliefs from one another, to the point it's difficult to tell them a part.

 

[valiant]

I guess some need of course of History. The Catholic Church was on the Eastern side of Galilee, those who attended the church, we're Pagans and Christians. Christ divided the Catholic Church of the east, as Pagans left the church of the east and went to the western side of Galilee and built a church on the western side, the church of West we're Pagans. Paganism was the belief of Rome, the church then added the name Roman, the church became known as the Roman Catholic church, it became the belief system of Rome, the ones who remained in the east were Christians, the ones in the west, were Pagans. As both churches of the east and west have a lot in common but yet their over all beliefs are different. Over time both churches have made many changes, as the east accepted some of the belief of the west, just as the west has accepted some of the belief of the east, as it is difficult sometimes to tell them a part.

LOL its you who needs a course of history. This is just vivid imagination gone riot and far from the truth,

 

[Dagallen]

Exactly, orthodox Christians are the most prominent ones in the Trinity teaching... but thats probably why he used a phrase "east of Galilee" (whatever that should mean, some villages in Israel?)

If you took the time to study history, you would know there is an eastern orthodox church and there is an western orthodox church. Where are these two churches located ? Where did Christ preach his first message as a grown man on bread of life ? Where did Peter live at the time Christ said, follow me ?

 

[valiant]

No not two God's, one divined God and one divined being begotten of one God, as the begotten one is not God, the begotten one is the image of God. Are both divined ? Of course ! Are both God ? No ! One is God, one is the image of the one God.

How could Someone begotten of God fail to be God? That is the whole idea behind begetting. Man begets man. God begets God. The difference is that God the Son was eternally begotten.

 

[trofimus]

If you took the time to study history, you would know there is an eastern orthodox church and there is an western orthodox church. Where are these two churches located ? Where did Christ preach his first message as a grown man on bread of life ? Where did Peter live at the time Christ said, follow me ?

I am not following you. I have no idea what your reasoning is, regarding history, you never say anything clearly.

Can you return to your creed and answer my questions:

Explain a difference between God and divined.

Also, explain why Bible says that Christ is God.

Also, explain how the one begotten of God differes from God in His nature.

 

[valiant]

If you took the time to study history, you would know there is an eastern orthodox church and there is an western orthodox church. Where are these two churches located ? Where did Christ preach his first message as a grown man on bread of life ? Where did Peter live at the time Christ said, follow me ?

If you took time to study real church history you would acknowledge that it was far more complicated than that. There was originally ONE church, the universal (catholikos) church. And it was composed of independent churches, yet seeing themselves as part of the one true church.

 

[Dagallen]

How could Someone begotten of God fail to be God? That is the whole idea behind begetting. Man begets man. God begets God. The difference is that God the Son was eternally begotten.

The begotten one is not God, he is the image of the one God, eternally begotten, divined ? Yes ! As God was not begotten of anyone, He just was but the begotten one was begotten of someone.