Sabbath

[Enow]

Dude, that's a lot of words

how about a few sentences?

In Acts 15:5-30, the disciples addressed the issue of keeping the law of Moses or not, and they testified that no believer has to.

They had explained why, and did point out to the Gentile believers that they should abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled and from fornication in keeping themselves as abiding in the Lord.

But keeping the law of Moses was a burden the believers that were of Jewish background were NOT doing and thus neither should the believers that were Gentiles.

Proof? Take out your KJV Bible and read Acts 15:5-30.

 

[JaumeJ]

Do I need a drum roll? I do not think so, but here we go onemore time.

Acts credited to Paul, and that is a maybe. Paul is taught by Jesus christ.

If you want to learn from the Source....go to Jesus Christ. You will have no confusion of what is being said.

He teaches the law in grace.....if you do not learn from Him, you will probably remain in the dark until He returns.

 

[Dan_473]

In Acts 15:5-30, the disciples addressed the issue of keeping the law of Moses or not, and they testified that no believer has to.

They had explained why, and did point out to the Gentile believers that they should abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled and from fornication in keeping themselves as abiding in the Lord.

But keeping the law of Moses was a burden the believers that were of Jewish background were NOT doing and thus neither should the believers that were Gentiles.

Proof? Take out your KJV Bible and read Acts 15:5-30.

Thanks!
yes, I'm familiar with that passage, and I agree with your interpretation.

 

[gotime]

You were wrong.

You tried to make the scriptures say that but they don't.

Paul absolutely did refer to the 10 commandments as the law of sin and death in Romans 8

Paul explained in Romans 7 that it isn't the 10 commandments that are bad or evil. It is us that has sin that can't attain to the 10 commandments.

It is clear that Paul is teaching that those that follow the 10 commandments in their own understanding are under sin and death.

Those that have died to the law and follow the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus are those that are caused to be righteous.

Paul is not talking about two different laws in Romans 7

Paul is talking about the 10 commandments in Romans 7

Over and over and over Paul explains the difference of those that follow after the 10 commandments and how it brings death and condemnation to them through sin and those that follow after Christ and have died to their own work at the law.

I have to think now that you misunderstand on purpose just so you can justify your work at the 10 commandments and cause others to do the same through your philosophy.


Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

This is the premise that Paul is explaining for the rest of Romans 7

The difference between the spiritual law and being carnal.

Its not two different laws.

Its two different aspects of the same law. The Spiritual application and the carnal.


How can you be a Spiritual Christian and not understand this? Is there a such thing as two different types of Christians, one a Spiritual Christian and one a Carnal Christian?

Thanx for your reply, I don't really see you addressing the scriptures here. Your questions demonstrates you did not read my post to understand what I was saying. So it seem silly to bother going back and fourth.

 

[Grandpa]

Do I need a drum roll? I do not think so, but here we go onemore time.

Acts credited to Paul, and that is a maybe. Paul is taught by Jesus christ.

If you want to learn from the Source....go to Jesus Christ. You will have no confusion of what is being said.

He teaches the law in grace.....if you do not learn from Him, you will probably remain in the dark until He returns.

Absolutely. The Lord is the Light. Without Him everyone would remain in the dark.

 

[Grandpa]

Thanx for your reply, I don't really see you addressing the scriptures here. Your questions demonstrates you did not read my post to understand what I was saying. So it seem silly to bother going back and fourth.

I'm not sure if you really get it and that's why you don't want to discuss it or that you don't get it and don't understand.

But you are right. Its just as silly going back and forth, either way.

 

[FinalMomentsOfTime]

The Sabbath is probably one of the most controversial topics within Christianity.

I have independently studied the Sabbath from the Scriptures, and have concluded that it is apart of God's Law that we as Christians are empowered to keep by the power of the Holy Spirit, just like Christ observed the Sabbath leaving us an example to follow. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit to enable us to rise higher than this sinful flesh!

 

[Enow]

The Sabbath is probably one of the most controversial topics within Christianity.

I have independently studied the Sabbath from the Scriptures, and have concluded that it is apart of God's Law that we as Christians are empowered to keep by the power of the Holy Spirit, just like Christ observed the Sabbath leaving us an example to follow. Praise the Lord Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit to enable us to rise higher than this sinful flesh!

Feel free to comment on what Jesus has said here.

Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;[SUP] 4 [/SUP]How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?[SUP] 6 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Jesus gave 2 examples in the Old Testament where the saints literally profaned the sabbath but were blameless BECAUSE they were in the Temple, and then Jesus said One greater than the Temple was here... in that place where the Pharisees were seeking to condemn His disciples for plucking the ears of corn on the sabbath day.

If you need some more scripture to see why we are guiltless for not keeping the sabbath day...

1 Corinthians 6:[SUP]19 [/SUP]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?[SUP] 20 [/SUP]For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Are our bodies the Temples of the Holy Spirit now?

2 Corinthians 13:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Matthew 28:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Is it because Jesus Christ is in us and is with us always is why we are guiltless now for profaning the sabbath day? Seems like that is what Jesus was saying for why He is Lord of the sabbath.

 

[JohnTalmid]

Feel free to comment on what Jesus has said here.

Matthew 12:1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;[SUP] 4 [/SUP]How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?[SUP] 6 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.[SUP]8 [/SUP]For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Jesus gave 2 examples in the Old Testament where the saints literally profaned the sabbath but were blameless BECAUSE they were in the Temple, and then Jesus said One greater than the Temple was here... in that place where the Pharisees were seeking to condemn His disciples for plucking the ears of corn on the sabbath day.

If you need some more scripture to see why we are guiltless for not keeping the sabbath day...

1 Corinthians 6:[SUP]19 [/SUP]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?[SUP] 20 [/SUP]For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Are our bodies the Temples of the Holy Spirit now?

2 Corinthians 13:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Matthew 28:[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:[SUP] 20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Is it because Jesus Christ is in us and is with us always is why we are guiltless now for profaning the sabbath day? Seems like that is what Jesus was saying for why He is Lord of the sabbath.

To me appears the Sabbath day and the promise of a greater hope of mankind. True the priests profane Sabbath by doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath. What we can infer from this account is Elohim dispenses mercy on the priest so they may do their service. Also when those who walk with Messiah are doing what religion of men say is unlawful when they say it accordingly to the tradition of man's religion.
Two principles are made apparent.
First when we are determined to walk with Messiah he will not condemn the believer who hungers or works for his food. Also Elohim by His example with the priests shows us mercy is Greater spiritually than sacrifice. Even greater spiritual truth can be gathered in this teaching.
Second the observance of the religious does not make us righteous but listening to the Word embeds righteousness into us for Messiah to reveal through us in season. If you work on Sabbath do it as if for Messiah. He dispenses mercy on all who receive it and feeds his flock not men's teachings.

 

[gotime]

I'm not sure if you really get it and that's why you don't want to discuss it or that you don't get it and don't understand.

But you are right. Its just as silly going back and forth, either way.

While I am not going to continue on the subject of Romans 8, you here have demonstrated my problem. You say your not sure and then guess why I don't want to continue, Which is confusing to me as I gave the reason I did not want to continue and yet your still trying to guess.

Actually read and think about what I write then you wont have to guess.

 

[JohnTalmid]

To me appears the Sabbath day and the promise of a greater hope of mankind. True the priests profane Sabbath by doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath. What we can infer from this account is Elohim dispenses mercy on the priest so they may do their service. Also when those who walk with Messiah are doing what religion of men say is unlawful when they say it accordingly to the tradition of man's religion.
Two principles are made apparent.
First when we are determined to walk with Messiah he will not condemn the believer who hungers or works for his food. Also Elohim by His example with the priests shows us mercy is Greater spiritually than sacrifice. Even greater spiritual truth can be gathered in this teaching.
Second the observance of the religious does not make us righteous but listening to the Word embeds righteousness into us for Messiah to reveal through us in season. If you work on Sabbath do it as if for Messiah. He dispenses mercy on all who receive it and feeds his flock not men's teachings.

ENOW said, "
Is it because Jesus Christ is in us and is with us always is why we are guiltless now for profaning the sabbath day? Seems like that is what Jesus was saying for why He is Lord of the sabbath."

I write, "remember the Sabbath day to keep it" only because this is as it is written. The word brings faith through hearing, obeying the word of the Father comes through action and if you hadn't heard you would be like a person who has never heard the law and been condemned to death by sin. Because you all live in a society that holds certain truths we are all shut up by the way of the law to have failed to do it at least in part. If we submitted truly to the word of Elohim and yes the Word is Messiah, we would not disagree with the word of Elohim in any way but confirm it, not fight against the wall in front of the face of man. The commands are meant to be a sign of salvation and will always exist, always have existed, and are not burdensome to the believer who lives in Messiah and rests under the head of Sabbath on the Sabbath days. I would rather celebrate the new moons with people who are seeking to love Elohim with all their heart than know all teaching and learning to know. Wouldn't it be glorifying to the Elohim of Messiah for his body to all be in agreement? The word shouldn't change because of the law of men. Sabbaths reasoned by Faith in Messiah could fall on different days. This I exhort the fellowships I have been known to fellowship with to not condemn each other for. But humbly seek out the will of our Father in Messiah. When asked about the law of Elohim and his ways what are you to tell them, they don't matter? May it never be, They are good for correction, reproof, and instruction in righteousness. Sabbath is by Faith, Elohim way to seal his people who know him and love his way. Because it is written folks. Don't be sorry get angry, don't sin anymore and repent for the sin by doing what is right. If you have to work do it too Messiah. If you can not work fellowship together and look into it with those who also believe. Grow up together into the full truth and move mountains. Why is their No power in the church? Because we have rejected the teaching of the Elohim of Messiah for our tradition of the messiah. Praying for you to consider the possibility that the Messiah may also still keep the Sabbath day Holy. Because if he fails to would not the world crumble? That just means that the Sabbath day still is and always will be there for you to rest in and find peace.

 

[JaumeJ]

I believe Elohim. I am quie aware He is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, erg, Elohim and not always El.

In the voice of Yahweh (Yahweh basically may be translated as Self-Existing, not too holy to utter), He told Moses there would be sent a prophet like unto him (Moses) and the people were to do all He was to teach.

I believe this. And I believe we are to follow the example of Yeshua, the Messiah. We must also follow His teachings.

He demonstrates how to apply the law in many of HIs action and teachings The law of stoning to death for adultery was not enforced because of mercy, also Jesus defended the woman caught in the act.

In His sermon on the mount He teaches how so many of the laws are not mercy, not of faith, and not of justice, fulfilling them

He teaches no food can harm a person bey the eating. Also in the visio of Peter, the unclean foods shown on the lowered sheet were declared made clean by Elohim.

He fulfilled the prophets and all of the laws concering the Priesthood (Levitical), kthe Temple, Sacrifice for sin, and much more .

Yet He teaches the law is yet to be, and it certainly is. God forbid we teach against it, owever the vast majority of the laws and the prophets are fulfilled in Jesus Christ, Yeshua.

Moses was told we are to DO all that He teaches, therefore I do learn from Yeshua, who, according to Isaiah is Yahweh and the Holy Spirit, Ruach Chodesh. This mystery of God's manifestation will not be revealed until His time, His Day, so arguing His will of manifesting Himself is moot in the face of the gift of Faith He has given us.

What about the Sabbath. It was pronounced by God as the Seventh Day. No man may change this, ad any who believe it may be changed, that is the order of creation, has no idea of how much the Seventh Day is a lesson of hope. I know you are aware of this, but those who believe they may change this order in the sight of prophetice events of our own reality are terribly mistaken, and until Adoneinu chooses to correct this ignorance I am afraid they will remain in this delusion, or probably more likely, deception.

The time foreseen thrugh Daniel and Revelation is at our doorstep. When it is upon us, those with understanding will finally understand also the profesies. Daniel wrote it down God said so, and I believe Him.

Baruch Yahweh, Baruch Yeshua, amen...(I do not say omein)

 

[Enow]

ENOW said, "
Is it because Jesus Christ is in us and is with us always is why we are guiltless now for profaning the sabbath day? Seems like that is what Jesus was saying for why He is Lord of the sabbath."

I write, "remember the Sabbath day to keep it" only because this is as it is written. The word brings faith through hearing, obeying the word of the Father comes through action and if you hadn't heard you would be like a person who has never heard the law and been condemned to death by sin. Because you all live in a society that holds certain truths we are all shut up by the way of the law to have failed to do it at least in part. If we submitted truly to the word of Elohim and yes the Word is Messiah, we would not disagree with the word of Elohim in any way but confirm it, not fight against the wall in front of the face of man. The commands are meant to be a sign of salvation and will always exist, always have existed, and are not burdensome to the believer who lives in Messiah and rests under the head of Sabbath on the Sabbath days. I would rather celebrate the new moons with people who are seeking to love Elohim with all their heart than know all teaching and learning to know. Wouldn't it be glorifying to the Elohim of Messiah for his body to all be in agreement? The word shouldn't change because of the law of men. Sabbaths reasoned by Faith in Messiah could fall on different days. This I exhort the fellowships I have been known to fellowship with to not condemn each other for. But humbly seek out the will of our Father in Messiah. When asked about the law of Elohim and his ways what are you to tell them, they don't matter? May it never be, They are good for correction, reproof, and instruction in righteousness. Sabbath is by Faith, Elohim way to seal his people who know him and love his way. Because it is written folks. Don't be sorry get angry, don't sin anymore and repent for the sin by doing what is right. If you have to work do it too Messiah. If you can not work fellowship together and look into it with those who also believe. Grow up together into the full truth and move mountains. Why is their No power in the church? Because we have rejected the teaching of the Elohim of Messiah for our tradition of the messiah. Praying for you to consider the possibility that the Messiah may also still keep the Sabbath day Holy. Because if he fails to would not the world crumble? That just means that the Sabbath day still is and always will be there for you to rest in and find peace.

If the commandment to keep the sabbath day holy is still in effect, then there is no rest in Jesus Christ because you still have to keep the sabbath day holy. That means you are still working and under the commandment to work by keeping the next sabbath day holy.

Hebrews 4:1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.[SUP] 2 [/SUP]For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[SUP] 3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.....[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.[SUP] 10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

So what is that rest that we can rest from keeping the sabbath day holy?

Colossians 1:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled[SUP] 22 [/SUP]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:[SUP] 23 [/SUP]If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

Since our faith in Him is on the finished work of the cross in how He is able to make us stand in His Presence, dare any one say that His finished work was not enough that one still needs to keep the sabbath day holy to be justified?

To rest in His finished work is to cease from our works as He did from His and that means no extra burden is given for us to be justified by which is why it excludes the necessity to keep the sabbath day holy for His righteousness alone apart from the law is sufficient to make us stand.

Believers are free to honor Him on the sabbath day or any day of the week, but it is no longer looked to as needing to be done for our justification nor for our salvation.

 

[JaumeJ]

No one is resting in Christ from good works.

The post sews together fairly well, but the pattern is broken.

Continue reading about the rest. We must "labor" to enter into that rest.

Our Father i working, and in the Example of Jesus Christ, we too must continue in ur works, those given us by God.

When Jesus invited all to come to Him, and He would give them rest it was only in reference to His terachings for
the hypocrites weigh heavy burdens upon us they will not lift a finger to move themselves.

Jesus speaks plainly on this matter.

You may be in some form of rest, but no one who believe Jesus Christ has rest from good works.

The field is ripe for the harvest;pray he Master send lkaborers to work the harvest.

Bottom line, please show where Jesus teaches we are to enter into His reest before the resurrection,. Again, the only rest He mentions is learning from Him for His yoke is easy, His burden is light.

 

[JaumeJ]

Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel, His, the only, that we are to obey the commandments.

Jesus Christ teaches us those who will be rewarded are those who give testimony of Him andkeep the commandments in Revelation. (His suggestion is enough for any who believe.)

After receiving the Holy Spirit into my broken heart, my heart was mended, and filled with such living joy that it cannot be related in mere words. Because of this living joy, the commandments too are a joy.

Does anyone who claimes to believe God doubt that what God wrote down Himself on tablets of stone, are important? Did He not give thw profesies to His servants to write down that they would one day be removed from the stone tablets to be transcribed to our inwad parts on the tablets of flesh of our hearts?

Those who speak against these wonderful commandments filled with wisdom, wonder and instruction are deaf, dumb and blind and until they repent are not worthy of fellowship with the family in Christ.

 

[Enow]

Jesus Christ teaches us in the Gospel, His, the only, that we are to obey the commandments.

Jesus Christ teaches us those who will be rewarded are those who give testimony of Him andkeep the commandments in Revelation. (His suggestion is enough for any who believe.)

After receiving the Holy Spirit into my broken heart, my heart was mended, and filled with such living joy that it cannot be related in mere words. Because of this living joy, the commandments too are a joy.

Does anyone who claimes to believe God doubt that what God wrote down Himself on tablets of stone, are important? Did He not give thw profesies to His servants to write down that they would one day be removed from the stone tablets to be transcribed to our inwad parts on the tablets of flesh of our hearts?

Those who speak against these wonderful commandments filled with wisdom, wonder and instruction are deaf, dumb and blind and until they repent are not worthy of fellowship with the family in Christ.

But what exactly are those commandments? Not the law of Moses because His disciples had addressed that in Acts 15:5-30 and told what the Gentiles should abstain from for abiding in the Lord.

So what are His commandments?

1 John 3:[SUP]22 [/SUP]And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. [SUP]23 [/SUP]And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. [SUP]24 [/SUP]And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.Believing in Jesus Christ as our Saviour that we are saved simply by believing in Him and believing in Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him in being His disciples so that we can bear fruit and our joy may be full is the what the first commandment entails in believing in Jesus Christ for everything as the just can only live by faith in Him & His promises to us.

The second to love others is done by relying on Jesus Christ all the time, in believing Him to be our Good Shepherd to enable us to do that .. even to love our enemies when it is not in our nature to return good for evil.

So basically, looking to & believing in Jesus Christ in all His promises to us is how any one can obey His commandments for abiding in Him, thereby declaring our rest & hope in Jesus Christ for all things.

 

[JaumeJ]

Again, a nicely woven argumetn that may pass even for doctrine, until the interested and faithful go to the Master's teaching and Example and then he knows how the law is fulfilled and how the prophets are also. Now from Jesus Christ we know how to approach all of the law.

According tow what you have jsut posted, Jesus c¨hrist was lying when He told us not one jot or tiddle of the law will change, and when He teaches whoever teaches against the least of these laws will be least in heaven.

First you must learn the law under grace from Jesus C¨hrist, for we are invited by Him to learn of Him.

Yes believe Jesus Christ is teh Son of god and you will be saved, but believe anyone is doing what they teach you....you have not learned of the Lamb it appears. Yes we are to love our enemies as Jesus teaches and the Holy Spirit within witneswses.

Anyone who thinks the Ten Commandments are cumbersome does not have the love of God yet fulfilled in him, for he would know they are a delight , wisdom and instruction to children.

I am sorry you only get your instruction from the Epistles and not from the Lamb. May God bless your understaniding.

Please do not teach against obedience at any level when it is obedience of God for we are children of obedience towards Him.

To be anything other would be still in darkeness.

 

[Nehemiah6]

In Acts 15:5-30, the disciples addressed the issue of keeping the law of Moses or not, and they testified that no believer has to.

I am glad that you have reminded all about this critical portion of Scripture. At the same time each one should go back to that chapter and note carefully:

1. Only FOUR commandments from the Law of Moses were applicable to Gentiles (and by extension to the Church, since within the Church there is neither Jews nor Gentile).

2. Those four commandments were: (1) no consumption of blood, (2) no consumption of meats from strangled animals, (3) no consumption of meats offered to idols, (2) no fornication (Acts 15:29).

That ye abstain [1] from meats offered to idols, and [2] from blood, and [3] from things strangled, and [4] from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

3. It is significant that there is no commandment to observe the 7th day sabbath. On the other hand, we have clear evidence that the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) became the Christian "sabbath" (a day of worship and rest)

 

[JaumeJ]

If anyone believes there is a Christian Sabbath replacing the Seventh Day, that person has learned of this from men and not from God.

It is odd how the weavers find a word here and a line there to make a fbric that will not hold.

When did God change the week of creation making the day He set aside for us a different day than the Seventh?

If some folks who hat Israel so much as to need a diifferent sabbath than the one given all by God those folks may take their own new Sabbath commandment and keep it, but do not teach those who have learned of Jesus Christ what the Seventh Day has become according to flesh. This is either a traadition from lifelong brainwaqying or simply a lie.

Also, do not say keeping the Seventh Day, since the teachings of Jesus Christ, must be a rigid keeping, for we are frree indeed who have learned of Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit witnesses that we are the Israel of Gdo. We await the New Jerusalem to be brought down from Him by Him for us, the capital of the Israel of god.

God is not bringing down the New Vatican or teh New Washington D.C. or the new Paris..........Read teh Word and get over the traditions of men, this is nothing more or less than those nasty rabbinical teachings that were flying around at the time of Christ's first advent.

 

[Enow]

If anyone believes there is a Christian Sabbath replacing the Seventh Day, that person has learned of this from men and not from God.

That is true about there being no commandment to observe the Lord's Day in replacing the sabbath day, but the truth remains that christians are free to esteem the sabbath day or not esteem the sabbath day or any day of the week, but as for the first day of the week, I believe they should refer to it as the Lord's day, rather than the sabbath day, but again, there is no such commandment for a specific day other than not forsake the assembly, providing that assembly is not practicing iniquity and refuse to repent from it.

Romans 14:[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.[SUP] 5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.[SUP] 6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.[SUP] 8 [/SUP]For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.

There is scripture that base the merits when the church in the N.T. did held their worship services. The day they were to do their collection should be the day they held their worship service.

1 Corinthians 16:1Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.[SUP]2[/SUP]Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

This was an order for the collection to support ministering saints that after each church service on the first day of the week, the church was to set a portion aside from the bounty collected for the support to the ministering saints.

So we have scriptural proof that the churches in the N.T, held worship services on Sunday. It is on Saturday, the sabbath day, was when they were out to the Jewish synagogues, doing missionary outreach as recorded in Acts. They were not holding christian services in Jewish synagogues back then and you can know that because no one is doing that now without risk of having their butts kicked out for interrupting their Jewish services, let alone run the risk of being put to death.

So Sunday worship services was not some concoction derived from the Vatican, but making it a commandment may have stemmed from them originally which is not Biblical to do since we are free to esteem any day or not esteem any day as unto the Lord because we are the Lord's.

Colossians 2:[SUP]15 [/SUP]And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[SUP]16[/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Sabbath days as in plural also includes the weekly sabbath, of course, and not just the annual sabbath held each year.