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1 Samuel 16:7
1 Samuel 16:7The Message (MSG)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But God told Samuel, “Looks aren’t everything. Don’t be impressed with his looks and stature. I’ve already eliminated him. God judges persons differently than humans do. Men and women look at the face; God looks into the heart.”
God looks at the heart and expels those who are not right. And of course king soul was chosen too
1 Samuel 16:7The Message (MSG)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But God told Samuel, “Looks aren’t everything. Don’t be impressed with his looks and stature. I’ve already eliminated him. God judges persons differently than humans do. Men and women look at the face; God looks into the heart.”
God looks at the heart and expels those who are not right. And of course king soul was chosen too
No matter how hard you try you can never disprove scripture, because scripture is truth.
Remember this when you try to convince me
Originally Posted by UnderGrace
No matter how hard you try you can never disprove scripture, because scripture is truth. is not referring to saved believers in Hebrews 10.
No matter how hard you try you can never disprove scripture, because scripture is truth. is not referring to saved believers in Hebrews 10.
do i need to be a mind reader, to what this means
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
yet you just posted about works of salvation now you need 'sanctified'.
do you know ,the meaning to cahoot. when it only answers to a selected person.
He has been stuck in that mindset. He really needs revelation from the Holy Spirit.
He is not the only one who thinks we can be BORN AGAIN, a NEW creation, a child of the living God, indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and THEN cast away into hell by the very Father that Begot them! A sheep morphing into a goat. A pickle somehow changing back to a cucumber.
I pray they would see those referred to in Hebrews 6 and 10 are those that NEVER accepted Jesus, and instead shrunk back to dead works for salvation like animal sacrifice, and THAT is what is trampling on the blood of Christ.
He is not the only one who thinks we can be BORN AGAIN, a NEW creation, a child of the living God, indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and THEN cast away into hell by the very Father that Begot them! A sheep morphing into a goat. A pickle somehow changing back to a cucumber.
I pray they would see those referred to in Hebrews 6 and 10 are those that NEVER accepted Jesus, and instead shrunk back to dead works for salvation like animal sacrifice, and THAT is what is trampling on the blood of Christ.
this post was not directed to you undergrace, the thief on the cross, would prove this statement wrong.(below)
salvation being given by words spoken. from someone one else,.would depend on, if that someone could make good his words.
words read by some one, would have to fine away to prove, words that are read, etc (pentecoste)
Originally Posted by PHart
Okay, good, then you agree that works are required in salvation for the very reason you state aboveand not to earn salvation.
Who's left now that doesn't agree with this? We're moving closer to being able to go home now and shut the lights off on this thread. (At least it's gotten a little funner around here lately, lol).
salvation being given by words spoken. from someone one else,.would depend on, if that someone could make good his words.
words read by some one, would have to fine away to prove, words that are read, etc (pentecoste)
Okay, good, then you agree that works are required in salvation for the very reason you state aboveand not to earn salvation.
Who's left now that doesn't agree with this? We're moving closer to being able to go home now and shut the lights off on this thread. (At least it's gotten a little funner around here lately, lol).
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If God said that we place our faith in him, and the moment we do this, we will never hunger or thirst, We will live forever, We will never die We HAVE eternal life, and he will raise us on the last day. And people say that that can be lost. they claim God lied
If God says by one sacrifice he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified, And they say salvation can be lost. they claim god did not perfect people forever. But only for the time they were saved.
If God says that we have eternal life based on faith, and they say that that can be lost. What God calls eternal God lied.
Why would I talk about how to maintain my salvation? If I have to maintain my salvation, God lied.
now if we want to talk about how to WORK out our salvation (sanctification). Thats a different story
The law states salvation must be maintained, by obedience, or by the work of the priest. Paul spent most of his writtings apposing this false gospel. because as he said, it leads people to hell,
What is different about people who say today one must maintain our salvation?
If God says by one sacrifice he has perfected forever those who are being sanctified, And they say salvation can be lost. they claim god did not perfect people forever. But only for the time they were saved.
If God says that we have eternal life based on faith, and they say that that can be lost. What God calls eternal God lied.
Why would I talk about how to maintain my salvation? If I have to maintain my salvation, God lied.
now if we want to talk about how to WORK out our salvation (sanctification). Thats a different story
The law states salvation must be maintained, by obedience, or by the work of the priest. Paul spent most of his writtings apposing this false gospel. because as he said, it leads people to hell,
What is different about people who say today one must maintain our salvation?
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That's okay, it was good to clarify 
Iron sharpens iron ... I learned that on CC
Iron sharpens iron ... I learned that on CC
this post was not directed to you undergrace, the thief on the cross, would prove this statement wrong.(below)
salvation being given by words spoken. from someone one else,.would depend on, if that someone could make good his words.
words read by some one, would have to fine away to prove, words that are read, etc (pentecoste)
Originally Posted by PHart
Okay, good, then you agree that works are required in salvationfor the very reason you state aboveand not to earn salvation.
Who's left now that doesn't agree with this? We're moving closer to being able to go home now and shut the lights off on this thread. (At least it's gotten a little funner around here lately, lol).
salvation being given by words spoken. from someone one else,.would depend on, if that someone could make good his words.
words read by some one, would have to fine away to prove, words that are read, etc (pentecoste)
Okay, good, then you agree that works are required in salvationfor the very reason you state aboveand not to earn salvation.
Who's left now that doesn't agree with this? We're moving closer to being able to go home now and shut the lights off on this thread. (At least it's gotten a little funner around here lately, lol).
Where so many get it wrong is they call good morals good fruit.
Mormons can have excellent morals..... but no good fruit at all.
JW's will have good morals..... same boat.
So when someone comes on CC acting all soft-n-cuddly, that don't mean jack.
When someone bashes another member, & 5 minutes later they're saying nice things, those nice things don't cover up their evil.
Such evil actions ARE evil, the REAL fruit of the individual. An act of niceness don't count.
ANYBODY can act nice.
Satan can impersonate an angel of light..... Does his niceness count? ..........
There are a lot of good points here and our own personal walks in a nutshell..
There are our weaknesses but i recon that a burning desire to not talk evil is also a fruit we must flower in and show growth in for us to even possibly bloom and of course the process of taking each thought captive to examine it,,,,,, that it is your thought,,,,,,,,,,, isnt always easy..
but more harder for them to break though if your you believe you can be attacked this way to make you hate...
Not hating is key brothers
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You must influence them. Do not let them influence you.
We would all be in the dunk if our Lord had treated people like they treated Him.
If more love is needed, just ask for what you lack.
We would all be in the dunk if our Lord had treated people like they treated Him.
If more love is needed, just ask for what you lack.
true, but after a while, I like to let people know what it feels like.
I guess like paul said, I am all things to all people.. You want to talk down to people. I will talk down to you. You do not like it, Stop it.
Then again, that is why I have most people on ignore.. after I talk like they talk, and they still do not get it, It is meaningless to continue, they will never get it.
but no matter what, I am not perfect.. I still let things including myself get out of hand.. which is a flaw..
you meaning to salvation, is not a complete work.
you have yet to prove this law was given to you. (acts 15)
.8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.Ephesians 2
we can continuing after you prove, the law was given to you.
if you err in scripture interpretation, you would be calssed as a false teacher , or naive teacher. etc
you have yet to prove this law was given to you. (acts 15)
.8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.Ephesians 2
we can continuing after you prove, the law was given to you.
if you err in scripture interpretation, you would be calssed as a false teacher , or naive teacher. etc
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All of Hebrews if for saved believers so that was not me.
The book of Hebrews actually brings great assurance of salvation, it is so ironic that people use it against assurance. But then it takes the Holy Spirit to reveal truth....pray you may see it yet.
The book of Hebrews actually brings great assurance of salvation, it is so ironic that people use it against assurance. But then it takes the Holy Spirit to reveal truth....pray you may see it yet.
