Melchizadek

[Bladerunner]

That can be neither proven nor disproven, but it is a possibility.

oldhermit Now why do you say that? You know it could not be? A Flood separates them and a lot of time.

If you don't agree, please tells your reasoning...????Please sir

 

[Bladerunner]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is physically possible for Shem and Abraham were contemporaries. In fact Shem did not die until after Isaac married. Shem would have been the oldest Patriarch of his blood line and as with many Patriarchs he would have served as the spiritual leader of the family and would have functioned as a priest in making sacrificial atonement for his people. As far as any of the rest of the speculation as to the manner of being Melchizedek was, the Hebrew writer leaves no room for speculation. He was a man. [/FONT]
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He is only one of three that are both a Kings and Priest. Jesus Christ and the Church!

 

[OneFaith]

John the baptist came in the spirit and power of Elijah. He did. He operated in the same spirit that Elihah did. Just like the Word says. but he was not Elijah, as he said

The bible says clearly about Melchizedek...He had no parents or lineage. Seth did so Seth was not Melchizedek. Seth was born and died. So Seth was not Melchizedek......
The three that came back.....Are you talking of the transfiguration event? Moses was there but guess what? He didn't come back...

So you agree that John the Baptist is not Elijah, and Seth is not Melchizedek.

Only three came back to the earth from beyond the grave, but not to live another human life.

 

[Denadii]

So you agree that John the Baptist is not Elijah, and Seth is not Melchizedek.

Only three came back to the earth from beyond the grave, but not to live another human life.

Yes I agree that John the Baptist is not Elihah And neither Seth nor Shem is Melchizedek. So who came back from beyond the grave? Jesus! and.....?

 

[wolfwint]

I heard a brother say that Melchizadek was Seth. Prove him wrong. Can you?

Seth died before the flood. He can not be Melchizadek.

 

[PennEd]

So you agree that John the Baptist is not Elijah, and Seth is not Melchizedek.

Only three came back to the earth from beyond the grave, but not to live another human life.

Even if we take away THIS verse, more than 3 were raised from the dead:

Matthew 27:52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.

 

[JaumeJ]

The name Melchizedek is made up of Hebrew words that say "King of Righteousness." Now in the recountinf of Abraham meeting him on the plain of the Kings, Melchizedek is also called the Ruler of Peace. Abraham gave a tenth of his pssessions to this King.......keep in mind, Abraham believed God and was faithful to God.

I know Someone Who is the King of Righteousness, and als the Ruler of Peace. He is also my High Priest with no beginning and no end; so now, just Who do you suppose Melchizedek could be? I know, and I think you know too.

I heard a brother say that Melchizadek was Seth. Prove him wrong. Can you?

 

[garee]

You are beginning with an assumption rather than examining the text. You are assuming Melchizedek was a theophany. He was not a theophany nor a vision. When you read Abraham's encounter with Melchizedek and the look at all of the examples of theophanies in the OT, there is absolutely no resemblance. Abraham does not regard Melchizedek as God.

Hi Oldhermit

Bowing down in worship and calling Him Jehovah (Lord) and witnessing God did have grace of Abraham through a theophany would seem to indicate the opposite . He sent three angels of the Lord possibly to indicate a triune God. He addressed the three as Lord. Three is used many times in parables to indicate the end of a matter

And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: Gen 18:1

This is not so in the case of theophanies. In every example, those to whom The Angel of Jehovah appeared always understood, at some point, that they were standing before God himself, and they honored him as such. You see no such similarity in the story of Melchizedek.

I do, its you that does not.

I would offer it must be a theophany the language could not support any thing but a theophany . Melchizedek a theophany came as a messenger of God who has no form as a representative glory, hidden from man. God does not accept worship according to form .He is supernatural without form .He sends messengers as an angel of the Lord like with Melchizedek, a theophany.

The messengers of the Lord comes in many forms to indicate certain aspects of the gospel . Melchizedek to represent the Spirit of Christ, the Holy annointing Spirit of God as our High Priest continually(no beginning)
.
He appeared to represent his unseen glory as a fire that will consume His enemy in a fiery bush. .

Exo 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

He used a ass a unclean animal used in ceremonial laws to represent a unbeliever to show he is not served by human hands as a will/.

Num 22:22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.

Num 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Again using three to indicate the end of the matter

The angel of the Lord aprreared as a hand used to represent the will of God as the finger of God another form of theophany used to express the hidden glory of God . The angel of the Lord appeared in a vision as having a thousand eyes to represpent the hidden glory of the omni-presence of God.......who again has no form.

As the Son of man a vision would not do the the work needed for the demonstration... flesh typified as sinful flesh which did not profit it was needed to put away sin in the flesh. The Son of God (the Spirit of Christ) remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof . He abides our High priest continually.

Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

 

[oldhermit]

Hi Oldhermit

Bowing down in worship and calling Him Jehovah (Lord) and witnessing God did have grace of Abraham through a theophany would seem to indicate the opposite . He sent three angels of the Lord possibly to indicate a triune God. He addressed the three as Lord. Three is used many times in parables to indicate the end of a matter

And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,And said, My LORD, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: Gen 18:1




I do, its you that does not.

I would offer it must be a theophany the language could not support any thing but a theophany . Melchizedek a theophany came as a messenger of God who has no form as a representative glory, hidden from man. God does not accept worship according to form .He is supernatural without form .He sends messengers as an angel of the Lord like with Melchizedek, a theophany.

The messengers of the Lord comes in many forms to indicate certain aspects of the gospel . Melchizedek to represent the Spirit of Christ, the Holy annointing Spirit of God as our High Priest continually(no beginning)
.
He appeared to represent his unseen glory as a fire that will consume His enemy in a fiery bush. .

Exo 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

He used a ass a unclean animal used in ceremonial laws to represent a unbeliever to show he is not served by human hands as a will/.

Num 22:22 And God's anger was kindled because he went: and the angel of the LORD stood in the way for an adversary against him. Now he was riding upon his ass, and his two servants were with him.

Num 22:28 And the LORD opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these three times?

Again using three to indicate the end of the matter

The angel of the Lord aprreared as a hand used to represent the will of God as the finger of God another form of theophany used to express the hidden glory of God . The angel of the Lord appeared in a vision as having a thousand eyes to represpent the hidden glory of the omni-presence of God.......who again has no form.

As the Son of man a vision would not do the the work needed for the demonstration... flesh typified as sinful flesh which did not profit it was needed to put away sin in the flesh. The Son of God (the Spirit of Christ) remains without mother or father beginning of Spirit life or end thereof . He abides our High priest continually.

Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

I am not going to waste time arguing with you. What you are doing is deifying a man. All I can do show you the text of Heb 7. What you chose to do with the information is up to you. Clearly I am wasting my time.

 

[garee]

I am not going to waste time arguing with you. What you are doing is deifying a man. All I can do show you the text of Heb 7. What you chose to do with the information is up to you. Clearly I am wasting my time.

It up to us to rightly diivide it, not add to it or substract from it.

Waste time? It would seem the text has no value acording to your private interpretation .

Does Shem have a father and mother? Did Abraham bow down to Shem .Is Shem supernatural without a begining? Was Shem even a Priest let alone our High Priest continullly, without beginning and end? Did Shem apear in the form of a Ass?

 

[oldhermit]

It up to us to rightly diivide it, not add to it or substract from it.

Waste time? It would seem the text has no value acording to your private interpretation .

Does Shem have a father and mother? Did Abraham bow down to Shem .Is Shem supernatural without a begining? Was Shem even a Priest let alone our High Priest continullly, without beginning and end?

I have already addressed this and you simply ignored it. I will waste no more time with you.

 

[garee]

I have already addressed this and you simply ignored it. I will waste no more time with you.

I addressed it. Its you that are ignoring it. Thanks for your time.