Not By Works

[JIMBO43]

Re: Not By Works

Originally Posted by Ariel82

As in Molech? The false god the Israelites worshipped by making an idol of the serpent staff that preformed the miracle of healing instead of worshipping God?



Just as moses lifted up the snake in wilderness so to was the son of man lifted up..that is written... have no idea what your making reference to....

Us to must be born of the glorified body waiting in heaven for us befor we have eternal life...

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best interprataion ive seen is this Answer:




Throughout the wilderness wanderings of the Israelites, God was constantly teaching them things about Himself and about their own sinfulness. He brought them into the wilderness, to the same mountain where He revealed Himself to Moses, so that He could instruct them in what He required of them. (the works we must do) Shortly after the amazing events at Mt. Sinai, God brought them to the border of the Promised Land, but when the people heard the reports from the spies, their faith failed. They said that God could not overcome the giants in the land. As a result of this unbelief, God sent them into the wilderness to wander until that generation died out (Numbers 14:28-34).
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[Stunnedbygrace]

so it is better to go to a church that does not have truth, then to have a bible study with people who follow truth.

your legalism is leaking out.

I learn a lot from other men who learn from the Spirit. But do I NEED to learn from them? No. It says the Holy Spirit guides us to all truth and that we have need of no other Teacher. We are to call no man teacher, it even says.

And I don't agree with the thought that we don't have church in here. When we have those peaceful lulls in the fighting and a few of us walk in the unity of the Spirit together, we share, we edify, we bear with each others burdens, we praise, we love, we learn and we grow. Rather than thinking we aren't having "church" together, I actually thank Him for the blessing of the internet.

 

[JIMBO43]

[video=youtube;0OHvyS_DJ_I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OHvyS_DJ_I[/video]

 

[NoNameMcgee]

i was just talking about this

Gods plan is never to let us get sick or lame. Read the Word and forget silly churchy doctrines. What did you just say? I pray and my daughter does not get healed...So what do you want? Do you want her healed? Or to stay with autism? If you want her to get healed of that thing. You speak what God speaks, not what your eyes see. I don't care if you believe this or not. YOU WILL HAVE WHAT YOU SAY!
Its no wonder you church people don't get prayers answered as much as you pray..You keep speaking against it.

And God does not allow sickness....We do.

◄ 1577. ekklésia ►
Strong's Concordance
ekklésia: an assembly, a (religious) congregation
Original Word: ἐκκλησία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: ekklésia
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-klay-see'-ah)
Short Definition: an assembly, congregation, church
Definition: an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers.


the body of Christ IS the church


CC is a form of church... but one that has unbelievers (neighbors) yolked in as well.... and not ONE teacher but many brothers and sisters


i would say the only way its possible to not "go to" church is to avoid any gathering of believers


"church people" is a silly dig that makes no sense

and judging someone for not going to a modern cathedral or temple is equally silly


thats like saying if you arent close enough to go to one
you cant truely know God

Hi J
Have to leave soon, but will be back.

This dumb computer capitalizes all the c's for Church. See. It just did it again.

One day I'm going to sit here and figure out how to disactivate this,,,here's why:

The way you spell Church is very important.

Church with a small c, means the building.
Church with a captial c, means the Body of Christ.

The early Christians gathered together for Church (small c) because they understood it was necessary to encourage each other, to pray together, to share communion together, to hear the word of God together.

I don't consider any forum a form of Church. Small c.
I do consider it a form of Church, capital C.

Everyone should find a Church they like and attend.
Preferably a mainline denomination where one could do bible study and learn some theology.

That's my personal belief -
It's good to be with other Christians and to do this in person.
Right now there is no Church for me. I DO miss this a lot.

my two cents...

i do 100% agree meeting with TRUE brothers and sisters is a huge help

someone may have been shown something we havent

and point it out to us

it can help us stay humble and meek

help us see our mistakes

and those further in their walk can be shining examples and help us along our way

which is why "church people" sounds silly to me

but ive seen many on here act as if GOING to "church" (modern sense) is the difference between true and false Christians

which... is just wrong (not pointing at you)

 

[BillG]

Hi Grace,


I wanted to address this last part.


Yes we abide and therefore we have fruit.


But the fruit isn't revealed in us until we do something.......as in obey our Lord and Savior and walk in holiness. Our Lord doesn't give us sap, He gives the power of the Holy Spirit so that as we walk in Him, we will never stumble.


When we do stumble, we get out of step with Him .......we're putting the old man back on. But when we walk in the newness of life in the new man, that's when we produce the fruit. And when we stumble, we're to confess our sin and He cleanses us from all unrighteousness.


We all have everything in Christ. And when we're born again, we have it all. We live in the truth, we walk in the truth, we continue in the truth, we grow in truth and that means we live a life of obedience. Obedience is the fruit that's being produced in us through the grace of God.

I like what you say "WE GROW"

We grow in obedience, fruit in us grows.

If you don't mind can I just add to confession of sin.

in a sense we need to grow in that as well.
My life's experiences was that when I got it wrong I was actually to frightened to come before God.
Firstly because my life experiences were I got it wrong and when found out I would get the biggest beating of my life and severe punishment, many a bruise and bloody nose given by my mother and step father. Never knew my real Father, only a could of memories. Him breaking into our flat and beating my mother, he went to punch her, she ducked and got it on the nose (as a result I have not sense of smell and suffer sinus problems) then the police coming in and beating him to a pulp with battons.

A child of God needs to understand that if we get it wrong that it is ok to come before God if they get it wrong.
He wants us to, he isn't going to beat you. He wants us to confess it to him. How can he help us if we don't.
He wants relationship with us, he wants to remove anything that gets in the way of a loving relationship.

A lot of people in today's society don't get that.
A lot of Christians don't get that.

The above may seem weird but if a person starts to get the love of our Father for us and when we get it wrong we can before him again and again. As they get this and realise he is for us and not against us then he can and will conform us to the image of Jesus through love.

that perfect love that casts out all fear.

 

[Ariel82]

soo workers against pie eaters To fear for your salvation is definately biblical according to my last two post posts would you say ??

No it's not because God did not give us a spirit of fear but of love power and a sound mind....fear of the Lord means. We respect Him and know He will do what He says he will do..,

Why ignore all the verses that talk about and reassure people to have faith and hope in Jesus for our salvation?

 

[Ariel82]

i was just talking about this

Denali is a proud Word of Faith follower (self declared) and teaches name it and claim it doctrines and from the quote is teaching someone with an autistic child to "claim her healing"

Is it surprising he defames people who attend church and might have have sound doctrine that goes against his false gospel of fake promises?

 

[Magenta]

Perfect love casts out fear.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Denali is a proud Word of Faith follower (self declared) and teaches name it and claim it doctrines and from the quote is teaching someone with an autistic child to "claim her healing"

Is it surprising he defames people who attend church and might have have sound doctrine that goes against his false gospel of fake promises?

interesting....

i have only seen a few of his posts

just this one i felt he took a dig at "church people"

but to me that just means the body of Christ

unless he meant people with a modern place a worship are lacking in some way....

which to me still doesnt make sense...

fellowship is good if its with brothers and sisters

be it on the internet

or in any building

or outside


lol i think it does all of us some good

i know this place was a blessing for me

when i came here i got into it with everyone

but now im learning day by day how to be more loving

and listen before i run my mouth
(Holy spirit still has much to do in me)

hahaha

 

[JIMBO43]

Behold if you dont obey the lord..

'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.' 23"Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you."

 

[Ariel82]

interesting....

i have only seen a few of his posts

just this one i felt he took a dig at "church people"

but to me that just means the body of Christ

unless he meant people with a modern place a worship are lacking in some way....

which to me still doesnt make sense...

fellowship is good if its with brothers and sisters

be it on the internet

or in any building

or outside


lol i think it does all of us some good

i know this place was a blessing for me

when i came here i got into it with everyone

but now im learning day by day how to be more loving

and listen before i run my mouth
(Holy spirit still has much to do in me)

hahaha

I always look at this forum as a spiritual testing ground where God teaches us patience by testing our faith,

Definitely a place where iron sharpen irons and if you don't have your spiritual armor in place you can be cut and wounded.

However if you ever need a place to heal and be loved upon, I find the prayer forum welcoming and frequented with people who will encourage, comfort and pray with you,

Anyway love u bro.

 

[JIMBO43]

I like what you say "WE GROW"

We grow in obedience, fruit in us grows.

If you don't mind can I just add to confession of sin.

in a sense we need to grow in that as well.
My life's experiences was that when I got it wrong I was actually to frightened to come before God.
Firstly because my life experiences were I got it wrong and when found out I would get the biggest beating of my life and severe punishment, many a bruise and bloody nose given by my mother and step father. Never knew my real Father, only a could of memories. Him breaking into our flat and beating my mother, he went to punch her, she ducked and got it on the nose (as a result I have not sense of smell and suffer sinus problems) then the police coming in and beating him to a pulp with battons.

A child of God needs to understand that if we get it wrong that it is ok to come before God if they get it wrong.
He wants us to, he isn't going to beat you. He wants us to confess it to him. How can he help us if we don't.
He wants relationship with us, he wants to remove anything that gets in the way of a loving relationship.

A lot of people in today's society don't get that.
A lot of Christians don't get that.

The above may seem weird but if a person starts to get the love of our Father for us and when we get it wrong we can before him again and again. As they get this and realise he is for us and not against us then he can and will conform us to the image of Jesus through love.

that perfect love that casts out all fear.

love casts out fear yes billy lad but there is also rightouse fear

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I always look at this forum as a spiritual testing ground where God teaches us patience by testing our faith,

Definitely a place where iron sharpen irons and if you don't have your spiritual armor in place you can be cut and wounded.

However if you ever need a place to heal and be loved upon, I find the prayer forum welcoming and frequented with people who will encourage, comfort and pray with you,

Anyway love u bro.

love you too ariel
^_^

i DEFINITELY agree this place is used to work patience

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Wow...you mean God is teaching two people something in here...??

 

[JIMBO43]

No it's not because God did not give us a spirit of fear but of love power and a sound mind....fear of the Lord means. We respect Him and know He will do what He says he will do..,

Why ignore all the verses that talk about and reassure people to have faith and hope in Jesus for our salvation?

aerial im not being judgmental but there is such a thing of a salvation work out.. and im not casting punishment either,, im only relaying what God is showing me...

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14
Fear God and keep his commandments,

So that, my beloved, as ye always obey, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, with fear and trembling your own salvation work out,


What does it mean to work out salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12) ... in my absence – continue to work out your salvation with fear and tremblin


It means aerial that while we are in our own walls in our own houses we must still obey and fear sinning against God

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He explained it in response to p4t...did you not read it?

what I saw was meggido make a response to UG before EG said on thing in the room, and p4t made a comment to meggido, concerning something Meggido said in the post to UG which had nothing to do with EG.

Yet yo blamed EG.

so again, can you please show EG how he misrepresented Meggido, when both meggido comment and p4ts response had nothing to do with EG?

ps, all p4t did was make an accurate description of what meggido said.

 

[JIMBO43]

love you too ariel
^_^

i DEFINITELY agree this place is used to work patience

i wish i had that luxury lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I learn a lot from other men who learn from the Spirit. But do I NEED to learn from them? No. It says the Holy Spirit guides us to all truth and that we have need of no other Teacher. We are to call no man teacher, it even says.

And I don't agree with the thought that we don't have church in here. When we have those peaceful lulls in the fighting and a few of us walk in the unity of the Spirit together, we share, we edify, we bear with each others burdens, we praise, we love, we learn and we grow. Rather than thinking we aren't having "church" together, I actually thank Him for the blessing of the internet.

Jesus said where two or three are gathered, there I am also.

Thats church, today's churches look nice thing like th NT chuch,

 

[JIMBO43]

what I saw was meggido make a response to UG before EG said on thing in the room, and p4t made a comment to meggido, concerning something Meggido said in the post to UG which had nothing to do with EG.

Yet yo blamed EG.

so again, can you please show EG how he misrepresented Meggido, when both meggido comment and p4ts response had nothing to do with EG?

ps, all p4t did was make an accurate description of what meggido said.

to me you just sound likle the guy who is continuosly stirrring the pot with pretending to be innocent all the time thrown in... you still need to to apolagize to him in my book..

 

[BillG]

love casts out fear yes billy lad but there is also rightouse fear

evening friend.

There is a riighteus fear but that's not the love that casts out fear that I was talking about. If we have righteous fear then there is no reason to cast it out.


The fear I was talking about was a fear I had, frightened to come before God.
To me that's perfect love casting out fear.

Hope that makes sense