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1 Corinthians 3
1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
Fran... Here is Paul teaching against their understanding.. but I'm sure they have an explanation or a different language that must be learnt to get round it...
1And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
Fran... Here is Paul teaching against their understanding.. but I'm sure they have an explanation or a different language that must be learnt to get round it...
The above is for loveme1.
Wow. You know Greek!
How about English?
Pal?
You're speaking to a girl.
Show some respect.
Jesus respected women.
Oh. And you read the Greek Bible?
No.
Then do yourself a favor and stick to English.
Go back and read everything again with an open mind.
Especially those parts where Jesus is speaking and telling you what He expects from you.
Wow. You know Greek!
How about English?
Pal?
You're speaking to a girl.
Show some respect.
Jesus respected women.
Oh. And you read the Greek Bible?
No.
Then do yourself a favor and stick to English.
Go back and read everything again with an open mind.
Especially those parts where Jesus is speaking and telling you what He expects from you.
Fran,
I said she is saved. I didn't say she wasn't.
I said she does good works because she IS saved. I don't personally believe any unsaved person would spend this much time writing about Jesus on these forums. Discipleship is another matter. Which is why Paul says we must GROW UP in Christ. Maturity is what Holy Spirit reveals.
I said she is saved. I didn't say she wasn't.
I said she does good works because she IS saved. I don't personally believe any unsaved person would spend this much time writing about Jesus on these forums. Discipleship is another matter. Which is why Paul says we must GROW UP in Christ. Maturity is what Holy Spirit reveals.
I can read the bible in two languages.
Both say exactly the same thing.
I have a friend who can read the bible in koine Greek.
It says exactly the same thing.
Any language is enough when one WANTS to understand it.
When one Does Not want to understand it because it is uncomfortable, then they run to the Greek and try to twist what it says.
Think of it....
Can only those who know koine Greek be saved??!!!!
It's a waste of time and energy in a futile attempt to try to mislead those who might be a new Christian.
Who do these Greek "experts" think they are kidding?
Only themselves!
Both say exactly the same thing.
I have a friend who can read the bible in koine Greek.
It says exactly the same thing.
Any language is enough when one WANTS to understand it.
When one Does Not want to understand it because it is uncomfortable, then they run to the Greek and try to twist what it says.
Think of it....
Can only those who know koine Greek be saved??!!!!
It's a waste of time and energy in a futile attempt to try to mislead those who might be a new Christian.
Who do these Greek "experts" think they are kidding?
Only themselves!
Fran,
She SAID that eternal life is a reward for works. Feel free to go back to our prior discussion. I am not assuming anything. I am referencing what she has continually said.
You said, they go to the Greek so they can TWIST what is being said, that is dishonest, a lot of people go to the Greek so they can understand in a greater way of what is being said. Myself included. Many Greek scholars are the ones who translated our ENGLISH Bible versions. Do you think they were perfect? If they were, which one because you have plenty of versions to choose from. Or do you only have a problem with people who want to understand the Greek on their own?
She SAID that eternal life is a reward for works. Feel free to go back to our prior discussion. I am not assuming anything. I am referencing what she has continually said.
You said, they go to the Greek so they can TWIST what is being said, that is dishonest, a lot of people go to the Greek so they can understand in a greater way of what is being said. Myself included. Many Greek scholars are the ones who translated our ENGLISH Bible versions. Do you think they were perfect? If they were, which one because you have plenty of versions to choose from. Or do you only have a problem with people who want to understand the Greek on their own?
Faith alone,not saved by works,when we confess Christ,for that is all we can do.Paul was dealing with Gentiles,and their religions,and anybody that thought that the Old Testament physical ordianances would benefit them.
Faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,after they receive the Spirit,and grieve not the Spirit,and quench not the Spirit.
Jesus told the disciples they are to teach people all things that He commanded them,and we are to cast down all imaginations,and every thought is to be to the obedience of Christ.
God said He wants all to be saved,and the Spirit and bride say,anybody can have that salvation,and God is no respecter of persons,and says there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek,and what makes you to differ from another person.
This is the SEAL,those that name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity,awake to righteousness,and sin not,but not all have the knowledge of God,and Paul speaks that to their shame,and do not depart from God,by the deceitfulness of sin,and a person that does not do righteousness is not of God.
It is a matter that some people do not want to harmonize scriptures,but hear it a certain way,and that is it,and the belief is their salvation cannot falter at any time regardless of their actions,so if they lack works they are alright,if they engage in sin they are unscathed,if they love money,and material things,has no bearing on their salvation,and some even say God blesses that way,as if God does not love people,and to help them.
It is all about we were chosen,God loves us,and nobody else can even try to have salvation,even if they act more righteous than we do they get no salvation,for everybody is in trouble for their sins,but us chosen,for we can get away with it,but all the rest of you cannot.
The Bible speaks that it is the outward actions that define us,and our thoughts,and can either save us,or condemn us,and not they are right regardless of their actions,for the Bible says a good tree does not bring forth evil fruit,so you will know them by their fruits,for our actions is what we will be judged on,not we confess Christ so we are alright,and our actions do not mean anything towards salvation.
The Lord knows them that are His,and this is the SEAL,this is the seal that seals the deal,that they depart from iniquity.
They cannot say we are chosen,and sealed unto the day of redempetion,and hold unto sin,say sin does not affect their relationship with God,and their outward actions that are wrong do not hinder them,for the SEAL is they depart from iniquity,and if they hold unto sin the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away.
Faith without works is dead,and a person is justified by works,and not faith alone,after they receive the Spirit,and grieve not the Spirit,and quench not the Spirit.
Jesus told the disciples they are to teach people all things that He commanded them,and we are to cast down all imaginations,and every thought is to be to the obedience of Christ.
God said He wants all to be saved,and the Spirit and bride say,anybody can have that salvation,and God is no respecter of persons,and says there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek,and what makes you to differ from another person.
This is the SEAL,those that name the name of Christ has to depart from iniquity,awake to righteousness,and sin not,but not all have the knowledge of God,and Paul speaks that to their shame,and do not depart from God,by the deceitfulness of sin,and a person that does not do righteousness is not of God.
It is a matter that some people do not want to harmonize scriptures,but hear it a certain way,and that is it,and the belief is their salvation cannot falter at any time regardless of their actions,so if they lack works they are alright,if they engage in sin they are unscathed,if they love money,and material things,has no bearing on their salvation,and some even say God blesses that way,as if God does not love people,and to help them.
It is all about we were chosen,God loves us,and nobody else can even try to have salvation,even if they act more righteous than we do they get no salvation,for everybody is in trouble for their sins,but us chosen,for we can get away with it,but all the rest of you cannot.
The Bible speaks that it is the outward actions that define us,and our thoughts,and can either save us,or condemn us,and not they are right regardless of their actions,for the Bible says a good tree does not bring forth evil fruit,so you will know them by their fruits,for our actions is what we will be judged on,not we confess Christ so we are alright,and our actions do not mean anything towards salvation.
The Lord knows them that are His,and this is the SEAL,this is the seal that seals the deal,that they depart from iniquity.
They cannot say we are chosen,and sealed unto the day of redempetion,and hold unto sin,say sin does not affect their relationship with God,and their outward actions that are wrong do not hinder them,for the SEAL is they depart from iniquity,and if they hold unto sin the blood of Jesus cannot wash it away.