Not By Works
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Fran
you cant expect agreement if we don't agree. I was corrected this morning in a pm. It's life in the body. None of us know it all. But, the foundation of our faith has to be truth, life, and the way. Of Jesus and His work alone. Then we build on that with more revelation. The inspired truth that is revealing even more of our Head and how His body moves in unity with Him first, and then with one another.
Scripture is very clear. There is a "cosmic" or universal aspect to Christ's work on the cross.
All of heaven and earth belong to the Lord and are His kingdom as He has won back the authority in this earth that the devil had from Adam's transgression.
Luke 4:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] And he led Him up and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
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6 [/SUP] And the devil said to Him, "I will give You all this domain and its glory; for it has been handed over to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
All people of the world were included in Christ's work on the cross. Rom. 5 speaks of this as does 2 Cor. 5:14.
They must believe in order to receive what Christ has already done in His finished work.
There is a vast difference between a universal atonement and "universalism" which says that all dogs go to heaven.
1 Timothy 4:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
2 Corinthians 5:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
We see a picture of this when the 2 thieves "were crucified with Him".
The fact that the Holy Spirit put in the truth of the 2 thieves "being crucified with Him" in all 4 gospel accounts shows the importance of it.
One believed and the other didn't. When people receive the gospel message of the forgiveness of sins - these remain/abide/stay in Christ - those that do not - will be cut off.
To abide or remain in Christ - one must receive the abundance of grace and the gift of righteousness. Rom. 5:17
This is why Jesus said that they angles will take "out of His kingdom" those that are goats and not sheep.
The other aspect to this is that we "believers" need to live by Christ's finished work in order to bear fruit unto God. It is His life that bears the fruit.
We don't "generate" fruit on our own - we abide in Christ's life and His life produces the "sap" for fruit-bearing as He alone is the true Vine.
Without Him and His finished work on the cross and resurrection - we can do nothing.
Truth is like an onion - it has many facets to it...
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True,
I heard a sermon once many years ago, and at the time I really had no understanding of it meant, but now it clicks, not sure if you would agree but...
In the sermon he stated, that the true hypocrite, in the covenant of grace, is the one who does not live in the liberty of Jesus
James tells us about the the law of liberty ( James 2:12,) .
Only in Jesus are we truly set free to do.
I heard a sermon once many years ago, and at the time I really had no understanding of it meant, but now it clicks, not sure if you would agree but...
In the sermon he stated, that the true hypocrite, in the covenant of grace, is the one who does not live in the liberty of Jesus
James tells us about the the law of liberty ( James 2:12,) .
Only in Jesus are we truly set free to do.
All that good scripture used to back a lie.
Mark 7
9He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10“For Moses said, ‘HONOR YOUR FATHER AND YOUR MOTHER’; and, ‘HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER, IS TOBE PUT TO DEATH’; 11but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”
J
yep patience is helpful to understanding what is said,as for "nit picking" I'll leave that to people who enjoy doing as such,I get what you mean but "correction" isn't "nit picking" "nit picking" is willful trying to upset someone by pointing out every little mistake thereby being a nuisance,I respond to posts when someone either doesn't understand something or they over rule understanding to be,"insulting" which results in noone learning anything,apologies if you interpret such things as "nit picking" when I post in correction.
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Sadly it is the whole group of them, that's why I am thankful a few finally got me to use that ignore button, is was an ongoing battle that no one could win, Was time to show who really had the issue, looks like nothing has changed.
i have had a few email me to say she is still attacking, but I refuse to open up a word she says, nothing God can come from it.
i have had a few email me to say she is still attacking, but I refuse to open up a word she says, nothing God can come from it.