Green horse?

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Why is one of the horses in Revelation called "Green"? The Greek word is “chloros”, and simply means green. Is there anything in the world such as a "green" horse?

So, some people substitute "pale"? In your opinion, Why?
 
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Ummmmmm...

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Green like ill/sick. Sometimes people turn pale when they get diseased or become afflicted by something.. If it comes to kill by plague, famine and sword people will be just the same.. sickly pale/ green and diseased and starving... I don't think its so much about the horse being green, as much as it is a vehicle of whats coming. I see it as its bringing itself and what is has, not a literal horse, but plague famine and death.
 
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Ummmmmm...

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It IS a tough question.... and, I think, a very serious one. I would like to hear how the "Literalists" on here deal with that little change from "green" to "pale", because I can name at least three other places in the Bible where that same word is used to describe green grass..... and "No", it was NOT a common thing to use that word to mean "pale."
 
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Green like ill/sick. Sometimes people turn pale when they get diseased or become afflicted by something.. If it comes to kill by plague, famine and sword people will be just the same.. sickly pale/ green and diseased and starving... I don't think its so much about the horse being green, as much as it is a vehicle of whats coming. I see it as its bringing itself and what is has, not a literal horse, but plague famine and death.
Several of our "Revelation Experts" here would disagree with you that John did not see a REAL... and GREEN... horse.
 
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There are translations that say "Pale Green" i dont see anything that says green to pale.
 

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Several of our "Revelation Experts" here would disagree with you that John did not see a REAL horse.
It could have been a real horse, but its not really a matter of it being real or not, its what it brings and what it means. The whole thing is spiritual and wont make much sense from a natural mindset. They can agree or disagree.. he said what he saw and if he saw what he saw and it is written, it is what it is.
 
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It could have been a real horse, but its not really a matter of it being real or not, its what it brings and what it means. The whole thing is spiritual and wont make much sense from a natural mindset. They can agree or disagree.. he said what he saw and if he saw what he saw and it is written, it is what it is.
I'm pretty sure you have no idea where I am going with this, so I'll leave that for the KJV boys and those who say John saw what he said he saw... and what he saw was real... even though the KJV changes the color to what a real horse would have.

(I happen to agree with you somewhat.)
 

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Why is one of the horses in Revelation called "Green"? The Greek word is “chloros”, and simply means green. Is there anything in the world such as a "green" horse?

So, some people substitute "pale"? In your opinion, Why?
for the same reason most translations have "Red Sea" even though the Hebrew is very clearly & unequivocally "Reed Sea" i guess .. ?

 

posthuman

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There are translations that say "Pale Green" i dont see anything that says green to pale.
is "pale green" what you write if you are aware of what the manuscripts actually say, but you don't want to second-guess previous translations too much?
 
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Why is one of the horses in Revelation called "Green"? The Greek word is “chloros”, and simply means green. Is there anything in the world such as a "green" horse?

So, some people substitute "pale"? In your opinion, Why?
I know English is English and Greek isn't English, but I'm wondering (anyway) if it might not be related somehow to what Americans mean by a green horse. My cousins used to say things like, "Watch it. That horse is green." Not knowing jack about horses, I had to ask the obvious question.

A green horse is untrained, wild, not-yet broken.

I'd get into the etymology of the word, but I don't know how, since that's not the usual definition of green.
 
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It IS a tough question.... and, I think, a very serious one. I would like to hear how the "Literalists" on here deal with that little change from "green" to "pale", because I can name at least three other places in the Bible where that same word is used to describe green grass..... and "No", it was NOT a common thing to use that word to mean "pale."
Ha! I'm a literalist. (Not necessarily a eschatology fan, but I do take the Bible literally, unless there is proof it's not literal.)

What other verses do you have? Again, I don't know if green could be given that meaning, and it likely isn't, but I can see green grass meaning wild, untrained, unbroken, too. I've been in marshes.

Sounds like an interesting word study.
 
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Ha! I'm a literalist. (Not necessarily a eschatology fan, but I do take the Bible literally, unless there is proof it's not literal.)

What other verses do you have? Again, I don't know if green could be given that meaning, and it likely isn't, but I can see green grass meaning wild, untrained, unbroken, too. I've been in marshes.

Sounds like an interesting word study.
Well,the biggest point I am making is why would the absolute, and only, true word of God, the exalted KJV, (according to some people here) change "green to "pale", if John actually wrote that he saw a green horse? The KJV is quite well-known for not changing words (modernizing them) so that they make sense to today's reader.
 
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Ha! I'm a literalist. (Not necessarily a eschatology fan, but I do take the Bible literally, unless there is proof it's not literal.)

What other verses do you have? Again, I don't know if green could be given that meaning, and it likely isn't, but I can see green grass meaning wild, untrained, unbroken, too. I've been in marshes.

Sounds like an interesting word study.
Off the top of my head, Mark 6:39.......... and just to keep it in the same language of the same author of the same book, Rev. 8:7 and 9:4.
 

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I looked and it kind of sounds like death to all living things. But, not sure.
 

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Horse symbolizes in some places the strength of man. What man puts his strength in. Some trust in chariots and some in horses but we remember the Name of the Lord.
 

stonesoffire

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I know English is English and Greek isn't English, but I'm wondering (anyway) if it might not be related somehow to what Americans mean by a green horse. My cousins used to say things like, "Watch it. That horse is green." Not knowing jack about horses, I had to ask the obvious question.



A green horse is untrained, wild, not-yet broken.

I'd get into the etymology of the word, but I don't know how, since that's not the usual definition of green.
~That could go with Ishmael...what the Lord says about him. His hand against every man etc.
 
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I looked and it kind of sounds like death to all living things. But, not sure.
Horse symbolizes in some places the strength of man. What man puts his strength in. Some trust in chariots and some in horses but we remember the Name of the Lord.
I'm not so much concerned with those kinds of things here. Because most of the people I am talking to here think The Book of Revelation was written to people who wouldn't be born for at least 2,000 years (maybe 10,000 or even a hundred thousand) into the far future, and I believe it was written to the Christians living at the same time it was written. They think it is a doomsday crystal ball of fortune-telling, and I think it was a letter of encouragement to persecuted Christians living just before God used Rome to destroy the Jewish system of sacrificial worship in A.D. 70.

I just wanted to know why John wrote that he saw a green horse, and it was changed in the KJV to say he saw, instead, a pale horse.
 
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I'm pretty sure the idea of a "green" untrained horse was not around in the AD 60s when John wrote the Revelation.