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Exactly, it is a PERSON, not religion. The following is from John chapter ten:
Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Maybe the blind will see it now
Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8 All who have come before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep have not listened to them. 9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.They will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Maybe the blind will see it now
No matter how they slice and dice....one who teaches temporal salvation that can be lost teaches a works based false gospel.....at the end of the day their salvation (false) must be kept, maintained or re-earned by something that they must do....this denies the work of Christ on their behalf and exactly why the number that gets cast from his presence is plenteous.....most trust works or a cafe blend of works!
I agree......and then the flip side of the coin is the Prodigal.....the same ones who say salvation can be lost will say they have never been lost....always, 100% of the time, keeping the law, doing good works always walking faithful etc......they will also say knce it is lost it cannot be re-gained while taking Hebrews put of context to support their fallacy!!
Grace doesn't please the flesh, it pleases the Spirit.
And please don't forget that pleasing the flesh came by Adam & Eve first stretching out their hand to eat of a forbidden fruit so that they might figure out what they could DO to be like God.
A gospel that tries to add to what God has done is what pleases the flesh.
It puffs itself up, calls itself Lord, and tries to pick up where Jesus left off.
It rationalizes, analyzes, and justifies its self-driven actions while pitting itself against the Spirit.
Paul tells us to be wary of any foolishness that says, we must complete by the flesh, what was started by the Spirit.
The flesh doesn't understand the power of cross, so it believes it must do something to keep itself. And when asked why they should be able come face-to-face with their Lord will they point to their works or will they point to His?
Make no mistake, those who take the lowly seat not the high seat will be exalted. What is the lowly seat? I am here because of You Lord. And later He will bring up your works and He will bring you in honor to another position of the table, but make sure you're wearing the wedding garments which is Christ's righteousness.
Why do you think it is said let us go beyond elementary things? Because you first discover who you are in Christ by the Spirit so that you might be lead by the Spirit and go on into maturity.
And until we see each other and ourselves by the Spirit, we are being flesh lead not Spirit lead. Until we are Spirit lead we see many believers instead of One Body, we have many "self-lead minds" instead of being lead by One Mind (The Mind of Christ) together by His Spirit.
First we are REBORN to be enter into the Kingdom of God. We are not reborn, fall away, and reborn again, fall away, and reborn again. This is foolishness that doesn't understand spiritual things. This idea denies the reality of who we are in Christ. It IS unbelief. Which leads to doubt.
And further, God said He would never leave us, the argument to this is well He didn't say we wouldn't leave Him! This is crazy talk, if I tell you I'm not going to leave you EVER and you try to leave me, I'm going to follow you around. I'm not going to leave you. The only way we "leave God" is through our minds being darkened to the goodness of God.
This is why RENEWING of the mind is so important. A renewed mind is lead by the Spirit. An unrenewed mind is lead by the flesh.
Grace is the Spirit's leading. We don't need to minimize it. We need to maximize it.
Only FAITH pleases Him. Of which the flesh has none.
And please don't forget that pleasing the flesh came by Adam & Eve first stretching out their hand to eat of a forbidden fruit so that they might figure out what they could DO to be like God.
A gospel that tries to add to what God has done is what pleases the flesh.
It puffs itself up, calls itself Lord, and tries to pick up where Jesus left off.
It rationalizes, analyzes, and justifies its self-driven actions while pitting itself against the Spirit.
Paul tells us to be wary of any foolishness that says, we must complete by the flesh, what was started by the Spirit.
The flesh doesn't understand the power of cross, so it believes it must do something to keep itself. And when asked why they should be able come face-to-face with their Lord will they point to their works or will they point to His?
Make no mistake, those who take the lowly seat not the high seat will be exalted. What is the lowly seat? I am here because of You Lord. And later He will bring up your works and He will bring you in honor to another position of the table, but make sure you're wearing the wedding garments which is Christ's righteousness.
Why do you think it is said let us go beyond elementary things? Because you first discover who you are in Christ by the Spirit so that you might be lead by the Spirit and go on into maturity.
And until we see each other and ourselves by the Spirit, we are being flesh lead not Spirit lead. Until we are Spirit lead we see many believers instead of One Body, we have many "self-lead minds" instead of being lead by One Mind (The Mind of Christ) together by His Spirit.
First we are REBORN to be enter into the Kingdom of God. We are not reborn, fall away, and reborn again, fall away, and reborn again. This is foolishness that doesn't understand spiritual things. This idea denies the reality of who we are in Christ. It IS unbelief. Which leads to doubt.
And further, God said He would never leave us, the argument to this is well He didn't say we wouldn't leave Him! This is crazy talk, if I tell you I'm not going to leave you EVER and you try to leave me, I'm going to follow you around. I'm not going to leave you. The only way we "leave God" is through our minds being darkened to the goodness of God.
This is why RENEWING of the mind is so important. A renewed mind is lead by the Spirit. An unrenewed mind is lead by the flesh.
Grace is the Spirit's leading. We don't need to minimize it. We need to maximize it.
Only FAITH pleases Him. Of which the flesh has none.
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Jesus said to him, “The one who has bathed does not need to wash, except for his feet, but is completely clean. And you are clean, but not every one of you.” For he knew who was to betray him; that was why he said, “Not all of you are clean.”
Not sure how any can interpret that to mean Judas was saved
Not sure how any can interpret that to mean Judas was saved
I can see that willybob has bought into the same faulty logic as Roman Catholics and Campbellites in regards to works. They try to dissect good works from the moral aspect of the law and teach that we are saved by "these" works and just not "those" works.
Here is a statement from a Campbellite that I was in a discussion with - "It is works of obedience that help to save us, not works of the law or works of merit."
I did not realize that Christ needed our help. Of course, that statement is an oxymoron because works of obedience cannot be dissected from the moral aspect of the law and if we were saved by works of obedience, that would be works of merit.
Works of the law covers works in general (Matthew 22:37-40), which is why Paul not only said that we are not saved by works/works of the law, but he also said not saved by "works of righteousness which we have done" (Titus 3:5) and he also said that God saved us and called us with a holy calling, "not according to our works" (2 Timothy 1:9). So the saved by "these" works and just not "those" works argument is bogus.
Here is a statement from a Campbellite that I was in a discussion with - "It is works of obedience that help to save us, not works of the law or works of merit."
I did not realize that Christ needed our help. Of course, that statement is an oxymoron because works of obedience cannot be dissected from the moral aspect of the law and if we were saved by works of obedience, that would be works of merit.
Works of the law covers works in general (Matthew 22:37-40), which is why Paul not only said that we are not saved by works/works of the law, but he also said not saved by "works of righteousness which we have done" (Titus 3:5) and he also said that God saved us and called us with a holy calling, "not according to our works" (2 Timothy 1:9). So the saved by "these" works and just not "those" works argument is bogus.
Funny thing...the workers for believe their works save them yet consistently twist and embellish what is said by those who teach a grace, faith based eternal salvation......EG has never once stated what you state in this post...so how does misrepresenting the truth about what one believes and teaches help a working for salvation Dogma....???
