Green horse?

[Willie-T]

Look at Rev. 9:4 the locust were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree. Grass comes in a variety of different shades of green, some dark, some pale and some yellowish green.

Ever seen a horse just blend into the background of the grass he was feeding in.... and just disappear from view? Let's try not to be silly. I am serious about not only why John would call a horse "green", but why the KJV translators chose to use a different word than he did. I'm sure he had the word "pale" available to him, if that is the color he meant to convey.

 

[Innerfire89]

Ever seen a horse just blend into the background of the grass he was feeding in.... and just disappear from view? Let's try not to be silly. I am serious about not only why John would call a horse "green", but why the KJV translators chose to use a different word than he did. I'm sure he had the word "pale" available to him, if that is the color he meant to convey.

My point is that chloros is used to describe grass, therefore chloros is not just one shade of green, therefore chloros can mean a pale green or yellowish green.

Not to be mean but, have you ever seen a green horse? Would a green horse camouflage itself in grass? Nobody knows.

 

[posthuman]

this is from a 9th century monk's copy of the Revelation of Jesus Christ from France, in Latin. the illuminations, including some Greek text, show Spanish influence.



Valenciennes, BM, Ms.99 (92)

 

[posthuman]

this one is an English source, dating ~ 1250

 

[Willie-T]

My point is that chloros is used to describe grass, therefore chloros is not just one shade of green, therefore chloros can mean a pale green or yellowish green.

Not to be mean but, have you ever seen a green horse? Would a green horse camouflage itself in grass? Nobody knows.

You hit upon just my point. No one has ever seen MOST of the things John said he saw. And that is totally acceptable to the translators when hoping to convey hideous and outlandish depictions of symbolic metaphors as honest-to-goodness creatures that exist. But, they seem to be trying too hard to create a picture of a horse that we will rationally recognize from our association with common barn animals........... instead of simply calling the horse, GREEN, as John penned it.

I don't know why he called it GREEN. But, he did. And I won't change green to pale just to try to make that word fit some preconceived notion about what a horse with a rider called "Death" must have to look like.

 

[Innerfire89]

I believe the horse is like a living symbol, it's has phiyical being and it's symbolic. It can be called pale green or just pale and still be correct if you trust things like strings concordance and young's literal translation.

 

[Laish]

Why is one of the horses in Revelation called "Green"? The Greek word is “chloros”, and simply means green. Is there anything in the world such as a "green" horse?

So, some people substitute "pale"? In your opinion, Why?

My thinking is that green may have been used to represent death and decay . I know that humans after death can turn a pale green , if not kept in a cool enough environment. Below is a list and a link about states of decay we go thru after death if not embalmed. It dose not state what time a body turns green but it dose state when a body goes from green to red . It's a bit gruesome so don't read if you tend to get grossed out over stuff like that .
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Body Decomposition Timeline

24-72 hours after death — the internal organs decompose.
3-5 days after death — the body starts to bloat and blood-containing foam leaks from the mouth and nose.
8-10 days after death — the body turns from green to red as the blood decomposes and the organs in the abdomen accumulate gas.
Several weeks after death — nails and teeth fall out.
1 month after death — the body starts to liquify.
I hope that helps
Blessings
Bill

 

[Dino246]

Since no-one has yet mentioned the connection, I will, because throwing a monkey wrench in the works is something I do on occasion.

The four horses are described as being white, red, black and green (and I would have to agree with Willie: green means green). Consider the colours on the flags of the Islamic nations. For the middle-Eastern nations, you will find some combination of white, red, black and green. I will give credit for this idea to Walid Shoebat, and I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

 

[Willie-T]

Since no-one has yet mentioned the connection, I will, because throwing a monkey wrench in the works is something I do on occasion.

The four horses are described as being white, red, black and green (and I would have to agree with Willie: green means green). Consider the colours on the flags of the Islamic nations. For the middle-Eastern nations, you will find some combination of white, red, black and green. I will give credit for this idea to Walid Shoebat, and I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

That is quite interesting.... and eye-opening.

 

[posthuman]

That is quite interesting.... and eye-opening.

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Pan-Arab colors

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The Pan-Arab colours are black, white, green, and red. Individually, each of the four Pan-Arab colours were intended to represent a certain Arab dynasty, or era.[SUP][3][/SUP] The black was the colour of the banner of Muhammad and the Rashidun Caliphate and was later adopted by the Abbasid Caliphate; white was used by the Umayyad Caliphate; green was used by the Fatimid Caliphate; and red was both the flag held by the Khawarij and also represented the Hashemites, as well as the Ottoman Empire.[SUP][4][/SUP] The four colours derived their potency from a verse by 14th century Iraqi poet Safi Al-Din Al-Hilli: "White are our acts, black our battles, green our fields, and red our swords".[SUP][5]


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Flag map of the Arab World.​

 

[posthuman]

The four colours derived their potency from a verse by 14th century Iraqi poet Safi Al-Din Al-Hilli: "White are our acts, black our battles, green our fields, and red our swords".[SUP][5][/SUP]

these colors then have been collectively symbolic of Islam since at least the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] century, probably much earlier, particularly not just to the Arabic nations but to the Europeans who had been fighting them in crusades from the 10[SUP]th[/SUP] to the 16[SUP]th[/SUP] century. the Apocalypse was first translated into English in the late 15[SUP]th[/SUP] - early 16[SUP]th[/SUP] century, and the KJV in very early 17[SUP]th[/SUP] century. English translations are products of Europe, in particular a Europe with a particular historical context.

interesting

 

[posthuman]

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[A_Friend_In_Christ]

Green horse, blue dog?

 

[Dino246]

I believe the horse is like a living symbol, it's has phiyical being and it's symbolic. It can be called pale green or just pale and still be correct if you trust things like strings concordance and young's literal translation.

I suspect you mean Strong's concordance, which is essentially a dictionary showing how words were used in the King James version. Given that, it is a poor reference for the meaning of a word as used outside the KJV.

 

[Innerfire89]

I suspect you mean Strong's concordance, which is essentially a dictionary showing how words were used in the King James version. Given that, it is a poor reference for the meaning of a word as used outside the KJV.

Pfft. You've never heard of Strings concordance, everyone knows of Strings. Lol.

Strong's concordance links the English of the KJV to the original Greek or Hebrew and give a definition of the Greek or Hebrew word, the definition being credible is the point of focus.

 

[zeroturbulence]

I just read that the greek word "kloros" can mean either pale or green, so it probably meant pale when referring to the horse.... either way, I bet that horse would not taste good.