Not By Works
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It is a mystery to me too? 
They make faith/ belief a work. Neither are meritorious. Faith is being persuaded or convinced that what God says is true.
Faith is the opposite of work, since one can only have faith in the finished work of Jesus
through the abandonment of any attempt according to justify oneself by works.
They make faith/ belief a work. Neither are meritorious. Faith is being persuaded or convinced that what God says is true.
Faith is the opposite of work, since one can only have faith in the finished work of Jesus
through the abandonment of any attempt according to justify oneself by works.
Faith is a work, because Jesus said to the one who asked Him, how to do the works of God. He answers, believe on the One whom God hath sent. So how is this accomplished?
By the specific Word given regarding what is presenting itself to you in life. The promise. We take that promise, meditate on it until we have it in our heart. That is the keeping of His commands. We guard it from lies that will come at us....working out our salvation, until we begin to declare it out of our being. As we declare it, it manifests at the timing of the Lord.
This is not the parroting of the Word by wof, but the way it prospers in our life. A steady speaking to that mountain that has loomed up in front of our eyes, trying to cause us to swerve from belief.
Does this help?
U
My point is if you make a strong charge, some also believe that you adherence to the law as part of salvation is heretical.
When you have promoted this view, there were some that gave scripture and understanding to demonstrate your heresy (to use your word).
I believe that if you are going to make this charge it is incumbent upon you to substantiate the charge.
Why would you leave a brother/sister with a false belief if you believe his/her salvation is at stake?
Is that showing love?
When you have promoted this view, there were some that gave scripture and understanding to demonstrate your heresy (to use your word).
I believe that if you are going to make this charge it is incumbent upon you to substantiate the charge.
Why would you leave a brother/sister with a false belief if you believe his/her salvation is at stake?
Is that showing love?
Again you have missed my point. I am saying how you construct faith and entry into the Kingdom
determines how you stay were you want to be, or are made into something permanent.
Once you construct an idea it has consequences. Now I pursue these consequences because they
show the validity of the idea and whether it works or fails.
So if I said humans were bullet proof you could then say the would not be hurt by a punch.
This is the consequence of the claim and can be tested. You would soon discover humans are not
bullet proof.
So if you say believers can never lose the Kingdom, and you define the Kingdom as having faith in
it as a living thing, then you find a believer who now no longer has faith, they have lost the Kingdom.
Now to make behaviour irrelevant, but at some point in ones life you come to "faith", that defines
salvation, then you begin to have some serious problems. What is coming to faith?
Going to church? Saying the right words? Doing the right things? Believing the right things?
Then if you pass the test, you have arrived, nothing you do fails you, that is a universalist qualification
idea, run the race, pass the mark, get the certificate. It denies living a holy life, or staying in communion,
or any other things of bearing the fruit in ones heart that is the Kingdom. It is about buying a place through
certain behaviour for a period that can then cease.
Now for some this mark is just believing.
For me it is a profound rebirth, that changes forever someones life and heart, which bears fruit throughout
their whole life, without limit. It grows and develops through everything they are, and is a passion that will
never dim.
Now it strikes me some want this without its reality, because feeling secure matters more than knowing
the Kingdom and walking in it. Now I have used these points so many times the old members know the
points and just reject them out of hand. But this will not stop me sharing Gods word or His reality, Amen.
determines how you stay were you want to be, or are made into something permanent.
Once you construct an idea it has consequences. Now I pursue these consequences because they
show the validity of the idea and whether it works or fails.
So if I said humans were bullet proof you could then say the would not be hurt by a punch.
This is the consequence of the claim and can be tested. You would soon discover humans are not
bullet proof.
So if you say believers can never lose the Kingdom, and you define the Kingdom as having faith in
it as a living thing, then you find a believer who now no longer has faith, they have lost the Kingdom.
Now to make behaviour irrelevant, but at some point in ones life you come to "faith", that defines
salvation, then you begin to have some serious problems. What is coming to faith?
Going to church? Saying the right words? Doing the right things? Believing the right things?
Then if you pass the test, you have arrived, nothing you do fails you, that is a universalist qualification
idea, run the race, pass the mark, get the certificate. It denies living a holy life, or staying in communion,
or any other things of bearing the fruit in ones heart that is the Kingdom. It is about buying a place through
certain behaviour for a period that can then cease.
Now for some this mark is just believing.
For me it is a profound rebirth, that changes forever someones life and heart, which bears fruit throughout
their whole life, without limit. It grows and develops through everything they are, and is a passion that will
never dim.
Now it strikes me some want this without its reality, because feeling secure matters more than knowing
the Kingdom and walking in it. Now I have used these points so many times the old members know the
points and just reject them out of hand. But this will not stop me sharing Gods word or His reality, Amen.
U
Hi Stones,
I would say that we do the works of God once we have believed on the One who God has sent.
Jesus is not saying that faith/belief is the work but that result of that faith will be to do the works of God.
If you see faith as being work, then it becomes meritorious for salvation, yet none of us can boast so it cannot be a work.
I am speaking specifically to salvation.
I hope this helps clarify.
I would say that we do the works of God once we have believed on the One who God has sent.
Jesus is not saying that faith/belief is the work but that result of that faith will be to do the works of God.
If you see faith as being work, then it becomes meritorious for salvation, yet none of us can boast so it cannot be a work.
I am speaking specifically to salvation.
I hope this helps clarify.
You would have done well yesterday to listen to Magenta. You have a bent towards defilement from a religious spirit. That would go by renewing your mind to scripture, and I trust Holy Spirit will do this.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:6 To the praise of theglory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in thebeloved.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
Eph 1:6 To the praise of theglory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in thebeloved.
Just to give light to how I see the word command or commandment from the Lord.
This is relationship we have with God, and He tells us His will personally when we ask. His answer would be a promise, or instruction, etc. which we can say is His commandment.
Not necessarily the 10, we associate with. So don't cringe if I use that word. If you differ, let me know.
This is relationship we have with God, and He tells us His will personally when we ask. His answer would be a promise, or instruction, etc. which we can say is His commandment.
Not necessarily the 10, we associate with. So don't cringe if I use that word. If you differ, let me know.
Many here have the Holy Spirit and many do not.. the slander you speak of happens all the time and goes unchecked.. I stand by what I have stated.
The Holy Spirit leads and guides in to all Truth and that article is heresy.
The accusations of man will not overcome the Holy Spirits witness... keep throwing stones.. all is well.
U
Blessed are the careless for they shall receive correction
No correction or carelessness, just a difference of how one infers from what was being said.
On time I read one word wrong and then I received a whole diatribe on what was wrong with my reading skills boy did I receive correction for being careless.
So then I realized there must be a new commandment I did not know about, but I know it now.
No correction or carelessness, just a difference of how one infers from what was being said.
On time I read one word wrong and then I received a whole diatribe on what was wrong with my reading skills boy did I receive correction for being careless.
So then I realized there must be a new commandment I did not know about, but I know it now.
