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I agree....
One thing to keep in mind when reading things on the "internet" about ministers and others in the body of Christ. I always say to "Go to hear what they are saying themselves to make sure what they are saying is true." and not a "twisting" of what is being said.
And sometimes we just plain agree to dis-agree too...
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We have seen many twist what is being said by others or took parts of what is said and left out the context it was said in - and that could change the meaning of what was originally quoted.
There are lot's of self-proclaimed heretic hunters on the internet. To them everyone is a heretic that has a different view on some subject.
For example to those that believe in speaking in tongues and actually do pray in tongues on a daily basis to their Father - they have been called heretics by whole denominations because they don't agree with this doctrine.
There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham, Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Dr. Michael Brown, Justin Peters, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Andrew Wommack...etc..basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies".
There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words in their opinion.
Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics".
Their motto is: "If people don't believe some scriptures in the way that"they"do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say..
" This is not what we were taught in "my" church or in our whole church tradition or denomination.
It's the nature of the beast. Martin Luther was a heretic to the catholic church at the time because for 1200 years prior to Luther they had always "believed" the same way.
Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a false teacher and they are in error and a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff.
One thing to keep in mind when reading things on the "internet" about ministers and others in the body of Christ. I always say to "Go to hear what they are saying themselves to make sure what they are saying is true." and not a "twisting" of what is being said.
And sometimes we just plain agree to dis-agree too...
..We have seen many twist what is being said by others or took parts of what is said and left out the context it was said in - and that could change the meaning of what was originally quoted.
There are lot's of self-proclaimed heretic hunters on the internet. To them everyone is a heretic that has a different view on some subject.
For example to those that believe in speaking in tongues and actually do pray in tongues on a daily basis to their Father - they have been called heretics by whole denominations because they don't agree with this doctrine.
There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham, Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Dr. Michael Brown, Justin Peters, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Andrew Wommack...etc..basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies".
There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words in their opinion.
Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics".
Their motto is: "If people don't believe some scriptures in the way that"they"do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say..
" This is not what we were taught in "my" church or in our whole church tradition or denomination.
It's the nature of the beast. Martin Luther was a heretic to the catholic church at the time because for 1200 years prior to Luther they had always "believed" the same way.
Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a false teacher and they are in error and a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff.
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Everything the Christ did and IS has been imputed unto little ole me. A sinner saved by grace stands before the Father blameless, seeing His Son is blameless. That's why we can't lose our salvation. Its His salvation and not ours to begin with.
Return unto me the joy of Thy salvation. That was David's plea.
Return unto me the joy of Thy salvation. That was David's plea.
No one has to heretic hunt when G777 is jumping out in front of them.
I didn't have to go anywhere to hunt.
I'd much rather be called a heretic hunter, exposing sin, than to let all the false doctrine slide right on by, & have to stand before the throne & answer for being a sluggard, a donothing, a partaker of others' sins.
I didn't have to go anywhere to hunt.
I'd much rather be called a heretic hunter, exposing sin, than to let all the false doctrine slide right on by, & have to stand before the throne & answer for being a sluggard, a donothing, a partaker of others' sins.
Did I mention Moses anywhere? and how do you imply that by me not bringing him into my reply I think he was lost!?!?! I mean really....Good grief.....how and why do you people do this!??!?!
Did it dawn on your thought process before making a false assumption and implication that I did not bring Moses up at all, because Moses was not in GB9's comments or had relevance to anything in his post?!?!?!
But if we must go here let's do it....Moses always had belief, he was denied access because he disobeyed a direct command from God and did something in his own power[did not speak to the rock, he tapped it twice] and then he took credit for the miracle..and he did both sins in front of the children....none of these things suggest he had a momentary lack of belief....
Ed, the dry bone sin Ezekiel are not the children that died in the wilderness...it was a Vision of how God was going to restore his people....
The Bible says it as plain as it can...the first generation died in the wilderness and did not enter in because of unbelief....not one of them had faith, but Joshua and Caleb.....This is stated in the record in Numbers and again by the writer of Hebrews in Chapters 3 & 4...Moses was denied for disobedience and rebellion.
Why does it insult so many people that God demands you stay in perfect belief, trust and faith from beginning to end!?!?!?
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Why do so many people insult God by stating it is his own faith, belief and trust that saves them from beginning to end?!?!?!
People seem to get upset that God is God....
Hebrews 5
5 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Then read Hebrews 6 and so on...
King James Version (KJV)
5 For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:
2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also is compassed with infirmity.
3 And by reason hereof he ought, as for the people, so also for himself, to offer for sins.
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Then read Hebrews 6 and so on...
King James Version (KJV)
Hi NNM...I have to be honest, i just read it from my bible and it says to me that we must not remain at the cross but to walk on in our faith...It also says that those who have come to know the Lord and tasted Him, knowing what He has done for us can fall away and no more repentance is given...Because if they fall away, and come back, then they are crucifying for themselves the Son of God again...Those who stay in the faith all the way will receive blessings from God, but those that don`t will be burned in the fire...I am young in the Lord and learning, so i maybe wrong, just stepping out and stretching myself...xox...And if i am right, then there is no osas...xox...
...Because if they fall away, and come back, then they are crucifying for themselves the Son of God again...Those who stay in the faith all the way will receive blessings from God, but those that don`t will be burned in the fire...I am young in the Lord and learning, so i maybe wrong, just stepping out and stretching myself...xox...And if i am right, then there is no osas...xox...How does not being separated from the love of God in Romans 8 get equated with Salvation?
Paul's use of the word Salvation once before Romans 8 and several times after Romans 8....if he was trying to convey that nothing would ever separate us from Salvation....he would have used the exact word he used in Romans 1, and again in Romans 10....he was not stupid.....nor did he ever, ever write in abstract models....he wrote precisely what Jesus gave him to write....
Paul's use of the word Salvation once before Romans 8 and several times after Romans 8....if he was trying to convey that nothing would ever separate us from Salvation....he would have used the exact word he used in Romans 1, and again in Romans 10....he was not stupid.....nor did he ever, ever write in abstract models....he wrote precisely what Jesus gave him to write....
If anyone should have lost their salvation it was David. He cheated on his close friend, got his wife pregnant. Instead of standing up and being a man about it, he tried to...
==get Uriah to lay with his wife so the pregnancy would be covered up. No DNA testing in those days
==got him drunk and Uriah still refused to lay with Bathsheba and slept on the street
==had him murdered. He was just as guilty as if he had stabbed him to death.
God sends Nathan who confronts David. David admits he's sinned and repents. Nathan said God has taken that sin from him.
Blessed is the man to whom God does not impute sin.[Romans 4:8]
The reason why we can't lose our salvation is because ALL our sins, past, present and future are under the blood.
It doesn't give us a license to sin, however.
Shall we sin that grace may abound? God forbid![Romans 6:1]
==get Uriah to lay with his wife so the pregnancy would be covered up. No DNA testing in those days
==got him drunk and Uriah still refused to lay with Bathsheba and slept on the street
==had him murdered. He was just as guilty as if he had stabbed him to death.
God sends Nathan who confronts David. David admits he's sinned and repents. Nathan said God has taken that sin from him.
Blessed is the man to whom God does not impute sin.[Romans 4:8]
The reason why we can't lose our salvation is because ALL our sins, past, present and future are under the blood.
It doesn't give us a license to sin, however.
Shall we sin that grace may abound? God forbid![Romans 6:1]
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same could be said of Abraham, he laughed at God, lied about his wife 2 times do to lack of faith, and did many other things,
like David his great faith came because of Gods forgiveness and grace, not because of how good they were, just like John said about the reason he wants us to know we have eternal life, so our faith can grow.
like David his great faith came because of Gods forgiveness and grace, not because of how good they were, just like John said about the reason he wants us to know we have eternal life, so our faith can grow.
COL. 1:19-20-21-22-23.
For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell;
And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself;
by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works,
yet now hath He reconciled
In the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His sight:
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel,
which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven;
whereof I Paul am made a minister;
ROM. 11:22.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness,
if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
1COR. 9:27.
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others,
I myself should be a castaway.
HEB. 3:12-13-14.
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing
(to fall away, become faithless, revolt) from the living God.
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened
through the deceitfulness of sin.
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence
stedfast unto the end;
11PETER 2:20.
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of
the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome,
the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
JOHN 15:14.
You are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I Command you.
EPH. 5:9-10.
(For the fruit, (acts-works-deeds-labors) of The Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
Proving what is acceptable unto The Lord.
REV. 22:14.
Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to The Tree of Life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell;
And, having made peace through the blood of His cross, by Him to reconcile all things unto Himself;
by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works,
yet now hath He reconciled
In the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in His sight:
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel,
which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven;
whereof I Paul am made a minister;
ROM. 11:22.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness,
if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
1COR. 9:27.
But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others,
I myself should be a castaway.
HEB. 3:12-13-14.
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing
(to fall away, become faithless, revolt) from the living God.
But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened
through the deceitfulness of sin.
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence
stedfast unto the end;
11PETER 2:20.
For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of
the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome,
the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
JOHN 15:14.
You are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I Command you.
EPH. 5:9-10.
(For the fruit, (acts-works-deeds-labors) of The Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
Proving what is acceptable unto The Lord.
REV. 22:14.
Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to The Tree of Life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
'Never' does not appear in the passage (1 John 2:19). He said when they left they showed that they did not belong to them. He didn't say they never believed to begin with, and he doesn't say they stopped believing. But what he does say to the remaining believers is to not do what they did, but rather continue to abide (vs.24). That indicates that believers can take the very same path the ones who departed took, thus destroying any contention that John was saying their leaving showed they were 'never' a part of us.
