How can you really really really know you are saved?

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DJ2 said:
Still does not explain how he knew this.
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Something about traveling down a road, having his donkey buck him off at a bright light, going blind at the same time Jesus is talking to him, and then having three days alone with Jesus talking to him, and him not being able to do anything else but listen.

Sooner or later, you're going to have to trust the Lord. Take God at his word. I recommend sooner over later. Later is a hard road.
 
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Willie-T said:
Why is it that you feel you need to ask? Or more precisely, what do you think it would take to convince you that you were saved?
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I don't have a answer to what I would need to be convinced but just believing that I am saved does not seem very convincing.

On the question of why I feel the need to ask, it seems many claim to know something that is impossible to know. That "thing" being the future.
 
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But does sincerely believing you are saved equal actual salvation? It seems this is what you are suggesting.

Many people have left cults confessing that they once sincerely believed they were destined for heaven. They were using the same reasoning as you are.
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That's a sign. If your goal is heaven, you missed the point.
 
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DJ2 said:
I don't have a answer to what I would need to be convinced but just believing that I am saved does not seem very convincing.

On the question of why I feel the need to ask, it seems many claim to know something that is impossible to know. That "thing" being the future.
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Another bad sign. You think this is about the future?
 
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But does sincerely believing you are saved equal actual salvation? It seems this is what you are suggesting.

Many people have left cults confessing that they once sincerely believed they were destined for heaven. They were using the same reasoning as you are.
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If you have faith yes, that is what God says,

if you merely believe? No, even demons believe
 
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NEVER! LOL :D

Back in the 90's, I have a cousin who went to visit some family members in California and they surprised him with tickets to a Raiders/Chiefs game. He was very excited and wore a Chiefs shirt to the game. Big mistake! They were surrounded by a sea of rowdy Raiders fans and he was harassed throughout the first half of the game (they left at half time) because it had gotten out of control! He was booed by Raiders fans and hit with peanuts numerous times during the game and a drunk man wearing a skull mask with spikes on his shoulders got right in his face and said, "you are a long way from home boy!" :eek: That was the final straw and fearing for his safety, they left.
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This would never happen at a game in the Super Dome. Our fans are a much of Saints.
 
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DJ2 said:
I don't have a answer to what I would need to be convinced but just believing that I am saved does not seem very convincing.

On the question of why I feel the need to ask, it seems many claim to know something that is impossible to know. That "thing" being the future.
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Jesus said you can know, john sad you can know, james said you can know.

Did they all lie?
 
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Another bad sign. You think this is about the future?
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God, the Creator of time, is not confined by time.

since our salvation is in Him - eternal life is to know Him - that salvation cannot any more be confined to time than He is; it transcends time: from our present time-like perspective, we have been saved, are being saved, and shall be saved.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
If you have faith yes, that is what God says,

if you merely believe? No, even demons believe
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If you think that having faith that you are saved equals actual salvation you are wrong. The gospel does not teach this in anyway. If it did that would be a works-based theology.
 
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DJ2 said:
I don't have a answer to what I would need to be convinced but just believing that I am saved does not seem very convincing.

On the question of why I feel the need to ask, it seems many claim to know something that is impossible to know. That "thing" being the future.
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it's not about faith in and of itself, it's The Object of said faith.

do you love God with ALL your heart, soul, mind and strength 24/7/365?

i'll assume (forgive me) that's a 'no'.

do you love Him in that way most all the time? (i really am going somewhere with this...)
 
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At our congregation, we spell FAITH as R-I-S-K. Does anyone here feel it is, instead, an absolute "guarantee"?
 
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it's not about faith in and of itself, it's The Object of said faith.

do you love God with ALL your heart, soul, mind and strength 24/7/365?

i'll assume (forgive me) that's a 'no'.

do you love Him in that way most all the time? (i really am going somewhere with this...)
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Its about knowing.

Those who claim to know but cannot explain how or why they know.

This is circular thinking and leads to chaos, as well as all types of heresies.
 
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Its about knowing.

Those who claim to know but cannot explain how or why they know.

This is circular thinking and leads to chaos, as well as all types of heresies.
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well, i was getting to knowing. lol

do you love God.... at all? do you try to follow Him?

if your answer is yes, you must know "we love Him because He first loved us." :)

we can have no love for God, for His ways, unless we have first been loved by Him.

do you see yourself there?
 
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If you think that having faith that you are saved equals actual salvation you are wrong. The gospel does not teach this in anyway. If it did that would be a works-based theology.
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nice try, but jesus called fan a work of God not our work, Paul said we are saved through faith, not work if faith was a work, both Paul and Jesus got it wrong

our faith is in the work of God, not our work, God is offering the gift. Either he is trustworthy or he is not, if he is, take his gift, as he sad you will live forever, never die, have eternal life, given his assurance, and you can KNOW you ar saved,

if yo do not think he is, try it your way, and you will never know if you are saved, nor could you ever know
 
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Willie-T said:
At our congregation, we spell FAITH as R-I-S-K. Does anyone here feel it is, instead, an absolute "guarantee"?
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in the hope of eternal life, which God, who can not lie, promised before time began

faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen

Now hope does no disappoint, because he love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the HS who was given to us

for if we hope what we do next t see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance

fr we through the spirit eagerly await for the hope of righteousness by faith

looking fr the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and savior Jesus Christ.

having been justified by his grace we should become heirs according to the hope that is eternal life

this hope we have is an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast...
 
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Willie-T said:
It's all well and good for so many people to be so sure..... Now, tell the OP. He has asked several times, yet he still needs to know HOW you know.
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Okay how about this, "God will let you know and that is the only way we can KNOW." I can't tell anyone else how to KNOW they are saved, all I can do is share with them how I KNOW that I am saved and pray the Spirit opens their eyes to it.

Now how do I "KNOW" I'm saved? Well I've shared that on this site to the point I almost don't like to just so people don't get tired of seeing it, but it was through the hardest trial of my life. It was after 2 years of wanting to kill myself every day and thinking about doing it at least every 5 minutes of everyday that whole 2 years. It was after a motorcycle wreak that wasn't my fault took all function from my right (and dominate) arm, there was no way I, modern medicine, science, or this world could fix it, and me already thinking I was a Christian (the one that would have heard "depart from Me I never knew you") so I had nowhere to turn. I got no compensation for it at all, no benefit at all, yet could not leave my 2 boys with an "my dad killed himself" story, and knew know one would love them like their father would no matter how bad I wanted to die.

I came to the end of myself, I knew there was nothing I could do to help myself and I threw my hands up and quit. That's what I did the day God saved me (Sept. 29th 2013), I honestly didn't even want to believe there was a God anymore, if I every truly had, at this point. I hit my knees just knowing I couldn't do it anymore, and that's what I said, "I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, I tried, world you win, and I QUIT!!!" That was it, I didn't realize it then but the "old man" died right there on the floor that day. The next day I woke up new, I didn't even realize until lunch that I hadn't thought about killing myself all day, I also realized right then that I had felt better all day too. At that point I had no clue what had taken place but I KNEW two things, I knew it was from God, and I KNEW Jesus was His Son.

I started really thinking and then for the first time ever picked up the bible then started reading it for myself. Then I thought after reading a few things "I think I was born again", then kept on reading and reading. Within an hour or so I was just plain awestruck, It's all real? I't like for real really real? OH God thank you it's like for real really actually real. I think I dragged my jaw behind me for a month after this, after my own "road to Damascus" experience. That was how God assured me I was saved, and that is how I KNOW beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am saved. I can't tell you how you know you're saved, or anyone else either, that's between the person and God, each one of us our different, but the way you KNOW you're saved can only come from God. Hope that's specific enough for you.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
in the hope of eternal life, which God, who can not lie, promised before time began

faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen

Now hope does no disappoint, because he love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the HS who was given to us

for if we hope what we do next t see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance

fr we through the spirit eagerly await for the hope of righteousness by faith

looking fr the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and savior Jesus Christ.

having been justified by his grace we should become heirs according to the hope that is eternal life

this hope we have is an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast...
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Amen! This hope is not some wishy washy cross your fingers hope I make it kind of hope either. Unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope. If we have saving faith in Christ, then we have this hope. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the HOPE of eternal life (Titus 3:7).
 
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tourist said:
Maybe the end is coming.
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mailmandan said:
Amen! This hope is not some wishy washy cross your fingers hope I make it kind of hope either. Unlike the english word "hope," the N.T. word contains no uncertainty; it speaks of something that is certain. - Strong's #1680 elpís (from elpō, "to anticipate, welcome") – properly, expectation of what is sure (certain); hope. If we have saving faith in Christ, then we have this hope. Faith is the substance of things HOPED for.. (Hebrews 11:1). So that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the HOPE of eternal life (Titus 3:7).
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amen, thats why we can KNOW we are saved, because it is God who is trustworthy.

only when we have faith in our ability are we unsure. because we are not trustworthy.
 
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