Where does Jesus Speak about the Millennium?

[joefizz]

Thanks for your opinion.

The holy spirit has led me to believe that the millennial kingdom, once it gets here, will be 1000 years long. Apparently you believe he has led you to believe something else. How do we handle the difference?

Where does the Bible say God can "bend time to His will"?

a fascinating remark "opinion" is it not written "with God all things are possible"?

 

[oldhermit]

Thanks for your opinion.

The holy spirit has led me to believe that the millennial kingdom, once it gets here, will be 1000 years long. Apparently you believe he has led you to believe something else. How do we handle the difference?

Where does the Bible say God can "bend time to His will"?

Isaiah 38:8, "Behold, I will cause the shadow on the stairway, which has gone down with the sun on the stairway of Ahaz, to go back ten steps." So the sun's shadow went back ten steps on the stairway on which it had gone down."

Joshua 10:12-14, "Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, 'O sun, stand still at Gibeon, and O moon in the valley of Aijalon.'So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.There was no day like that before it or after it, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man; for the LORD fought for Israel."

 

[joefizz]

Thanks for your opinion.

The holy spirit has led me to believe that the millennial kingdom, once it gets here, will be 1000 years long. Apparently you believe he has led you to believe something else. How do we handle the difference?

Where does the Bible say God can "bend time to His will"?

I understand your plight of understanding the 1000 years prophecy,as to what the holy spirit has led me to do,it has been laid upon my to heart to help people to understand God's word through chat sites for now,particularly concerning salvation and baptism,respectfully you have your role I have mine.

 

[shrume]

a fascinating remark "opinion" is it not written "with God all things are possible"?

Joe...... People try and use that verse to prove ANYTHING. You can't make something up (God can "bend time to his will") and then say it's true because with God all things are possible.

The Bible does say that God caused the sun to go backwards during one of Joshua's battles (can't remember the exact record at the moment..), so maybe that was "God bending time to his will"?

 

[oldhermit]

How do you make these not literal?

Isa 11:7) And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Isa 65:25) The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

In the original creation, all the animals ate plants (Gen 1:29-30). I believe that in the millennial kingdom the animals will once again eat plants.

These conditions are limited in context to “In all My holy mountain” that we are told these conditions would exist. The Hebrew writer confirms the symbolic nature of this language when he says that The holy mountain of God is symbolic language for Zion – the Church, Hebrews 12:18-23.

 

[shrume]

Isaiah 38:8, "Behold, I will cause the shadow on the stairway, which has gone down with the sun on the stairway of Ahaz, to go back ten steps." So the sun's shadow went back ten steps on the stairway on which it had gone down."

Joshua 10:12-14, "Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, 'O sun, stand still at Gibeon, and O moon in the valley of Aijalon.'So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation avenged themselves of their enemies. Is it not written in the book of Jashar? And the sun stopped in the middle of the sky and did not hasten to go down for about a whole day.There was no day like that before it or after it, when the LORD listened to the voice of a man; for the LORD fought for Israel."

Noted. God can certainly manipulate the sun and stars. But I'm not sure how that fits with 2 Pet 3:8, which is what Joe implied.

 

[joefizz]

Joe...... People try and use that verse to prove ANYTHING. You can't make something up (God can "bend time to his will") and then say it's true because with God all things are possible.

The Bible does say that God caused the sun to go backwards during one of Joshua's battles (can't remember the exact record at the moment..), so maybe that was "God bending time to his will"?

Yes I'm aware of that as well as the part of the bible you are trying to remember,Joshua was in a battle against the amorites and declared unto God to halt the sun and the moon,until he overcame them,and God hearkened to his declaration,the sun nor moon did not go backwards but yes it is an example of what I was talking about,God can slow or speed up time,by way of the sun and moon,apologies for seeming as if I was hiding behind the scripture of anything being possible with God.

 

[oldhermit]

Noted. God can certainly manipulate the sun and stars. But I'm not sure how that fits with 2 Pet 3:8, which is what Joe implied.

2 Pet 3:8 has nothing to do with God's manipulation of time nor is it intended to be a standard of measurement by which God measures a day. God created time and he knows the difference between a 24 hour day and a 1000 years. All this passage is demonstrating is the fact that God is not contingent upon time.

 

[shrume]

These conditions are limited in context to “In all My holy mountain” that we are told these conditions would exist. The Hebrew writer confirms the symbolic nature of this language when he says that The holy mountain of God is symbolic language for Zion – the Church, Hebrews 12:18-23.

Christ's kingdom will fill the earth, not just be on a symbolic mountain. And I believe those conditions, and the others mentioned previously, will literally exist on earth. The millennial kingdom will quite literally be a restoration of "paradise". (and no, I'm not a JW.. )

Some of the attributes of the coming kingdom:

The wolf lying down with the lamb and the lion eating grass like cattle (Isa. 11:6-9; 65:25).
The land healed and the deserts blooming (Isa. 32:15; 35:1, 2, 7; 51:3).
Israel becoming the glory of the earth (Isa. 60).
The country of Israel being divided among the 12 tribes (Ezek. 47:13-48:29).
The Messiah getting his own land area (Ezek. 45:7; 48:21, 22).
A new temple being built in Jerusalem (Ezek. 40-44).
A river flowing out of the temple and healing the land (Ezek. 47:8-10).
The law going forth from Jerusalem (Isa. 2:1-3; Mic. 4:1, 2).
People living in secure homes (Isa. 32:18).
Each family having its own vine and fig tree (Mic. 4:4).

There will be justice on earth (Isa. 2:4; 9:6,7; 11:1-5; 32:1,2,5,16,17; 51:5; Jer. 23:5,6; 33:15). “He [The Messiah] will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever” (Isa. 9:7).

There will be no war (Isa. 2:4; 9:4-7; 60:18; Hos. 2:18; Mic. 4:3, 4; Zech. 9:9, 10). In Christ’s Kingdom on earth, “nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.”

The resurrected believers and Christians (who were in the Rapture) will enjoy perfect health (Isa. 29:18; 32:3,4; 33:24; 35:5,6; 57:19; Jer. 33:6; Mal. 4:2). “No one living in Zion will say, ‘I am ill’” (Isa. 33:24).

Mankind will live safely on the earth (Isa. 11:6-9; 32:18; 54:14-17; 60:11,17,18; 65:17-25; Jer. 23:4; 30:10; 33:6; Ezek. 28:26; 34:25-31; Mic. 5:4,5; Zeph. 3:13-17). “They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD (Isa. 11:9).

There will be no hunger because the land will be healed (Isa. 25:6; 30:23-26; 32:15; 35:1-7; 41:18-20; 44:3; 51:3; Jer. 31:5,11-14; Ezek. 47:1-12; Hos. 2:21,22; Joel 2:18-26; Amos 9:13). “Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the desert. The burning sand will become a pool, the thirsty ground bubbling springs” (Isa. 35:6-7).

Theological arguments and bickering will come to an end. The house of Israel will know God (Isa. 29:23, 24; Jer. 31:33, 34; Ezek. 11:18-20), and Christians will “know fully” (1 Cor. 13:12). “For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea” (Isa. 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14).

The people will be holy and blessed, and there will be joy (Isa. 4:2-5; 35:10; 51:3; 60:1-22; 61:4-11; 62:1-12; 65:17-25; Jer. 30:18,19; 31:4,12-14). “The ransomed of the LORD will return. They will enter Zion with singing; everlasting joy will crown their heads. Gladness and joy will overtake them, and sorrow and sighing will flee away” (Isa. 51:11).

People from other nations will come to Jerusalem to worship, and foreigners will be allowed to sacrifice at the Temple (Isa. 2:2,3; 14:1; 19:18-25; 56:4-8; 60:3,9,14; 66:21; Zech. 2:11; 8:20-23; 14:16). “My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations” (Isa. 56:7).

 

[shrume]

2 Pet 3:8 has nothing to do with God's manipulation of time nor is it intended to be a standard of measurement by which God measures a day. God created time and he knows the difference between a 24 hour day and a 1000 years. All this passage is demonstrating is the fact that God is not contingent upon time.

I used to think that. Now I think there could be more to it.

Gotta run for now. Enjoyed the conversation.

 

[oldhermit]

Christ's kingdom will fill the earth, not just be on a symbolic mountain. And I believe those conditions, and the others mentioned previously, will literally exist on earth. The millennial kingdom will quite literally be a restoration of "paradise". (and no, I'm not a JW.. )

Some of the attributes of the coming kingdom:

The wolf lying down with the lamb and the lion eating grass like cattle (Isa. 11:6-9; 65:25).
The land healed and the deserts blooming (Isa. 32:15; 35:1, 2, 7; 51:3).
Israel becoming the glory of the earth (Isa. 60).
The country of Israel being divided among the 12 tribes (Ezek. 47:13-48:29).
The Messiah getting his own land area (Ezek. 45:7; 48:21, 22).
A new temple being built in Jerusalem (Ezek. 40-44).
A river flowing out of the temple and healing the land (Ezek. 47:8-10).
The law going forth from Jerusalem (Isa. 2:1-3; Mic. 4:1, 2).
People living in secure homes (Isa. 32:18).
Each family having its own vine and fig tree (Mic. 4:4).

There will be justice on earth (Isa. 2:4; 9:6,7; 11:1-5; 32:1,2,5,16,17; 51:5; Jer. 23:5,6; 33:15). “He [The Messiah] will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever” (Isa. 9:7).

There will be no war (Isa. 2:4; 9:4-7; 60:18; Hos. 2:18; Mic. 4:3, 4; Zech. 9:9, 10). In Christ’s Kingdom on earth, “nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore.”

The resurrected believers and Christians (who were in the Rapture) will enjoy perfect health (Isa. 29:18; 32:3,4; 33:24; 35:5,6; 57:19; Jer. 33:6; Mal. 4:2). “No one living in Zion will say, ‘I am ill’” (Isa. 33:24).

Mankind will live safely on the earth (Isa. 11:6-9; 32:18; 54:14-17; 60:11,17,18; 65:17-25; Jer. 23:4; 30:10; 33:6; Ezek. 28:26; 34:25-31; Mic. 5:4,5; Zeph. 3:13-17). “They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD (Isa. 11:9).

There will be no hunger because the land will be healed (Isa. 25:6; 30:23-26; 32:15; 35:1-7; 41:18-20; 44:3; 51:3; Jer. 31:5,11-14; Ezek. 47:1-12; Hos. 2:21,22; Joel 2:18-26; Amos 9:13). “Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the desert. The burning sand will become a pool, the thirsty ground bubbling springs” (Isa. 35:6-7).

Theological arguments and bickering will come to an end. The house of Israel will know God (Isa. 29:23, 24; Jer. 31:33, 34; Ezek. 11:18-20), and Christians will “know fully” (1 Cor. 13:12). “For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea” (Isa. 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14).

The people will be holy and blessed, and there will be joy (Isa. 4:2-5; 35:10; 51:3; 60:1-22; 61:4-11; 62:1-12; 65:17-25; Jer. 30:18,19; 31:4,12-14). “The ransomed of the LORD will return. They will enter Zion with singing; everlasting joy will crown their heads. Gladness and joy will overtake them, and sorrow and sighing will flee away” (Isa. 51:11).

People from other nations will come to Jerusalem to worship, and foreigners will be allowed to sacrifice at the Temple (Isa. 2:2,3; 14:1; 19:18-25; 56:4-8; 60:3,9,14; 66:21; Zech. 2:11; 8:20-23; 14:16). “My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations” (Isa. 56:7).

Wow, what a jumble of confusion. Clearly you do not know the difference between pre-exilic prophesies, post-exilic prophesies, and Messianic prophesies; nor do you seem to know their meaning.

 

[shrume]

Wow, what a jumble of confusion. Clearly you do not know the difference between pre-exilic prophesies, post-exilic prophesies, and Messianic prophesies; nor do you seem to know their meaning.

You don't believe in the millennial kingdom. I do.

Later.

 

[oldhermit]

You don't believe in the millennial kingdom. I do.

Later.

I used to but now I know better.

 

[shrume]

I used to but now I know better.

Or worse.

Time will tell.

 

[joefizz]

2 Pet 3:8 has nothing to do with God's manipulation of time nor is it intended to be a standard of measurement by which God measures a day. God created time and he knows the difference between a 24 hour day and a 1000 years. All this passage is demonstrating is the fact that God is not contingent upon time.

Very well said,I accept correction for what I said concerning the passage in 2 Peter 3:8.

 

[joefizz]

Wow, what a jumble of confusion. Clearly you do not know the difference between pre-exilic prophesies, post-exilic prophesies, and Messianic prophesies; nor do you seem to know their meaning.

I don't either but I at least try to make sense,though I prefer the holy spirit guiding me to speak so nothing foolish is said.

 

[oldhermit]

I don't either but I at least try to make sense,though I prefer the holy spirit guiding me to speak so nothing foolish is said.

Would you like to know the difference and how they apply?

 

[MattforJesus]

"Zoned out"?

Wow, you and I apparently hold completely different viewpoints on the Apostle John.

Certainly some of Revelation is figurative, but I think a lot more of it is literal than most people believe.

Revelation is literal,and writers of the Bible used terms that they were familiar with to describe the literal.

Nah 2:3 The shield of his mighty men is made red, the valiant men are in scarlet: the chariots shall be with flaming torches in the day of his preparation, and the fir trees shall be terribly shaken.
Nah 2:4 The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways: they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings.

Obviously talking about automobiles,did not know to call them that,but knew chariots was a form of transportation.

Isa 31:4 For thus hath the LORD spoken unto me, Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey, when a multitude of shepherds is called forth against him, he will not be afraid of their voice, nor abase himself for the noise of them: so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof.
Isa 31:5 As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it.

Jets,6 day war,took control of Jerusalem.

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Rev 4:2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

John saw all that was going to happen.

The book of Revelation is a warning to the world,concerning the time that God puts an end to this sin business on earth,when He allows all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and take the mark of the beast,then God will put them down,which is why the beast has power over all nations,kindreds,and tongues,in which the 4th beast of Daniel shall devour the whole earth,tread it down,and break it in pieces,and all people that dwell on earth that does not love God will worship the beast.

John describes Jesus,describes heaven,and the New Jerusalem,the final destination of the saints,and the things that shall occur on earth leading up to the beast kingdom,the problems that occur as the world keeps trying to solve their problems,and not turn to God,so after the 6th trumpet God said,they will not repent of their wicked ways,which they will not turn to God,and cry out to Him,so God gives the world their way,and causes all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and when they follow the beast it is over,and God can put the world down.

God will not give up on the world,until the world gives up on Him,and Revelation is a warning to the world to get right with God so they can escape the fate of the world at the time of the beast kingdom.

Revelation is literal,but John used terms that he was familiar with to describe literal things.

 

[Willie-T]

"Zoned out"?

Wow, you and I apparently hold completely different viewpoints on the Apostle John.

Certainly some of Revelation is figurative, but I think a lot more of it is literal than most people believe.

If you don't think he was out of it, you must not have seen many people that has happened to. It is not a normal and rational state of being.

 

[Ahwatukee]

A. The restoration of Edinic conditions.
“And the wolf will dwell with the lamb, and the leopard will lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little boy will lead them. Also the cow and the bear will graze, their young will lie down together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox the nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra, and the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den. They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.” In other words, the are not devouring one another.Isaiah. 11:6-9
This is not to be understood as literal language. This is not talking about literal lions or vipers. We know this is symbolic language because Isaiah 35:9 tells us, “No lion will be there, Nor will any vicious beast go up on it; These will not be found there. But the redeemed will walk there”).

1. This a symbol of natural enemies existing in peace with one another and with man.

You people are amazing. You say, "show us scriptural proof" and when we do, you do away with it by allegorizing or symbolizing it so that what scripture says is not what it means.

You have been deceived into ignoring the literal word of God by replacing it with allegories and symbolism!

When scripture states that "the lion will eat straw like the Ox" that is what is going to exist during the millennial period i.e. the lion will literally eat straw like the Ox, demonstrating the peace that will exist on the earth during that thousand years. This is also what is meant by a young child playing near a Cobra's den and not being harmed There is no reason to apply symbolism to these things. By doing so you are distorting the word of God. Your on-going error is looking for and applying interpretations other than God's literal meaning.

It is ONLY HERE that men will abide in peace. “Then they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks; Nation will not lift up sword against nation, and never again will they train for war.

The above is what the state of things will be after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age and the characteristics that will exist during the millennial period over the entire earth.