How can you really really really know you are saved?
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I appreciate your dialog. I have not put out my lamp, nor has my wife; but what we do is pray and take everything to the Cross of Jesus and then pray again; It is amazing what God can accomplish in a Christians life when your focus goes always to Him. For example my wife and I are so in tune with each other that we frequently will speak what the other person was thinking at the exact same moment. And of course God knows what we need before we even ask, as you already know.
Point: Take it all to Jesus all the time every time and ask the Holy Spirit to lead and guide you. I must have visited 10 local Congregations before we found a wonderful Church to worship. I often tell my wife, honey I see God working small miracles in our life everyday and she says yes I do too.
I know these things may sound simple but thats who I am and I want my
First Love to always be Jesus our Lord, God bless
Point: Take it all to Jesus all the time every time and ask the Holy Spirit to lead and guide you. I must have visited 10 local Congregations before we found a wonderful Church to worship. I often tell my wife, honey I see God working small miracles in our life everyday and she says yes I do too.
I know these things may sound simple but thats who I am and I want my
First Love to always be Jesus our Lord, God bless
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Only with mental assent. No conversion.
I'm going to leave that comment, but in thinking it over...it does say in scripture that if we confess the Lord Jesus Christ, believe in our heart God raised Him from the dead, we will be saved.
So, I would add that only God knows.
What would be your answer? That's probably my best shot at it.
I'm going to leave that comment, but in thinking it over...it does say in scripture that if we confess the Lord Jesus Christ, believe in our heart God raised Him from the dead, we will be saved.
So, I would add that only God knows.
What would be your answer? That's probably my best shot at it.
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Hi DJ2, you are not wrong and we do not have a faith that is in vain; Jesus won the Victory for you and I and for whomsoever will believe.
You forgot to include the next verse; 1Corintians15:20
"But Christ "has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep."
True Gospel
You forgot to include the next verse; 1Corintians15:20
"But Christ "has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep."
True Gospel
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Note that the main push by the many are the WORKS that THEY have done......the bible is clear...it is faith that saves not works.....works are the result of salvation...note Ephesians 2--->SAVED UNTO works not saved BY WORKS
Galatians also states that those who blend faith and works are preaching a gospel of a different KIND with NO power and double cursed.........
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE....
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Galatians also states that those who blend faith and works are preaching a gospel of a different KIND with NO power and double cursed.........
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE....
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
Regardless of why their assurance was false, it was false. It was a false assurance and they were unaware. This is the thrust of the OP. Saved by works, saved by faith, saved by a combination of both is not the point. They were under a sincere assumption of salvation but were wrong.
Is it not possible that we too can be like them? What is special about one person's assurance that makes it better than another person's false assurance? At what point does assurance become arrogance?
Your last sentence (1st John 5:13) is the most convincing verse that assurance exist but it only tells us "who" has assurance not how we can know we have this assurance.
If believing "in the name of the Son of God" is the litmus test for knowing we have assurance why is there so much false assurance?
Is it not possible that we too can be like them? What is special about one person's assurance that makes it better than another person's false assurance? At what point does assurance become arrogance?
Your last sentence (1st John 5:13) is the most convincing verse that assurance exist but it only tells us "who" has assurance not how we can know we have this assurance.
If believing "in the name of the Son of God" is the litmus test for knowing we have assurance why is there so much false assurance?
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i read about 40-50 posts, and the last one was a tipper
they put out their lamp because they are assured.
My lamp is burning brighter and brighter each day. We call it the honey bee syndrome. people are drawn to the light
on a different note,, in my many travels i know of 6 people that know they are saved. Myself, my wife, my mentor and his wife, and my boss and his wife.
The question was how do you really know.
mine was simple, i never liked games, i don't like being a pawn, between to supernatural beings. I don't now nor have i ever liked authority figures, as many of them are coal bucket stupid.
Heaven and hell didn't frighten me, because i didn't care. i didn't care about anyone or anything, and lot of times i thought it simpler to depart the world.
only problem was i was to scared to do it myself.
so what do you do when you are nothing and youu have nothing, i drank, a lot.
then one day with a touch the need to drink was gone. I realized that God had touched me, but that did nothing to make better, i grew up in the church, and now i had to live with myself without medication. all the time listening to how bad God thought i was.
who really would want salvation under the terms of tthe law. it sucks,
i didn't even like myself, do you really think the law would inspire me.
life sucked until the day God himself spooke to me. when he spoke i took him at his word. He loved me, as rotten as i was he loved me.
and this all happened after i begged him to kill me.
so each day is a treasure to me, i owe a debt i can never repay. do i love God. i don't know for sure, but i do love hearing his voice, as i and Jesus stand before naked and not ashamed
GOD BLESS YOU ONE AND ALL
i read about 40-50 posts, and the last one was a tipper
they put out their lamp because they are assured.
My lamp is burning brighter and brighter each day. We call it the honey bee syndrome. people are drawn to the light
on a different note,, in my many travels i know of 6 people that know they are saved. Myself, my wife, my mentor and his wife, and my boss and his wife.
The question was how do you really know.
mine was simple, i never liked games, i don't like being a pawn, between to supernatural beings. I don't now nor have i ever liked authority figures, as many of them are coal bucket stupid.
Heaven and hell didn't frighten me, because i didn't care. i didn't care about anyone or anything, and lot of times i thought it simpler to depart the world.
only problem was i was to scared to do it myself.
so what do you do when you are nothing and youu have nothing, i drank, a lot.
then one day with a touch the need to drink was gone. I realized that God had touched me, but that did nothing to make better, i grew up in the church, and now i had to live with myself without medication. all the time listening to how bad God thought i was.
who really would want salvation under the terms of tthe law. it sucks,
i didn't even like myself, do you really think the law would inspire me.
life sucked until the day God himself spooke to me. when he spoke i took him at his word. He loved me, as rotten as i was he loved me.
and this all happened after i begged him to kill me.
so each day is a treasure to me, i owe a debt i can never repay. do i love God. i don't know for sure, but i do love hearing his voice, as i and Jesus stand before naked and not ashamed
GOD BLESS YOU ONE AND ALL
It is all about the math bro.....
Jesus plus faith = that we may know we have
Jesus plus faith plus anything else = embellished gospel with no power
Remember the Pharisees.....they had the same issue, blinded by tradition, a works based theology and the commandments of men which had usurped the word of God and the one true way......
At the end of the day men love darkness and will flee from the light......men must work for everything they have under the sun or steal it.....and that mentality has bled into the one true way heavily throughout history and to be frank it started with Cain offering the works of his hands and assuming he would be accepted.......we all know the result of that story!
Jesus plus faith = that we may know we have
Jesus plus faith plus anything else = embellished gospel with no power
Remember the Pharisees.....they had the same issue, blinded by tradition, a works based theology and the commandments of men which had usurped the word of God and the one true way......
At the end of the day men love darkness and will flee from the light......men must work for everything they have under the sun or steal it.....and that mentality has bled into the one true way heavily throughout history and to be frank it started with Cain offering the works of his hands and assuming he would be accepted.......we all know the result of that story!
blessed assurance Jesus is my savior, all the day long
Peace with God? what exactly is peace with God
It is settled in my mind that Jesus is Lord. no matter the posts here, or the preaching there, i do not waver in my heart. When he comes to me, and talks to me, there is a peace that is perfect and beautiful.
I defend my salvation at all costs, even unto being a leper to others. I share my salvation with all, that will hear. not bible verses but me, and what he has done.
I love people that I have no use for, or that are totally unlovable, why? because he loved me when i didn't deserve it.
People in need, or just want a ear to talk to, i stop and visit. I don't always, tell them of Jesus, and i am assured that the right time will come.
I will pray for the sick in public, I bless those who bless me and I bless those that curse me.
I am not angry, or afraid anymore, my fate is the hands of my Lord.
He is great and mighty, and can and does protect me. He feeds me, and lets me rest when i need it.
Lastly, i just want to Love like him, unconditional. Just Love. no strings, no condemnation, no guilt trips. Just Love.
I am 100% different than i was 20 years ago.
blessed assurance, yes I have it
Peace with God? what exactly is peace with God
It is settled in my mind that Jesus is Lord. no matter the posts here, or the preaching there, i do not waver in my heart. When he comes to me, and talks to me, there is a peace that is perfect and beautiful.
I defend my salvation at all costs, even unto being a leper to others. I share my salvation with all, that will hear. not bible verses but me, and what he has done.
I love people that I have no use for, or that are totally unlovable, why? because he loved me when i didn't deserve it.
People in need, or just want a ear to talk to, i stop and visit. I don't always, tell them of Jesus, and i am assured that the right time will come.
I will pray for the sick in public, I bless those who bless me and I bless those that curse me.
I am not angry, or afraid anymore, my fate is the hands of my Lord.
He is great and mighty, and can and does protect me. He feeds me, and lets me rest when i need it.
Lastly, i just want to Love like him, unconditional. Just Love. no strings, no condemnation, no guilt trips. Just Love.
I am 100% different than i was 20 years ago.
blessed assurance, yes I have it
Your response is like most others, answering the question of if they feel they have assurance. I accept the notion of assurance existing but again my question is how can know for sure we are saved when it is clear that many today are under a sincere but false sense of assurance?
You seem to be saying you feel you are saved but I am looking more for scriptures on how we can know we are not self-deceived. If there is no full-proof way of knowing we are not deceived then I suggest 100% assurance is a myth and rightfully so since falsely believing you are saved leads many to there doom.
You seem to be saying you feel you are saved but I am looking more for scriptures on how we can know we are not self-deceived. If there is no full-proof way of knowing we are not deceived then I suggest 100% assurance is a myth and rightfully so since falsely believing you are saved leads many to there doom.
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I do not believe the post applies for the following reasons:
1. The OP is about "how" we can know we are not among those deceiving ourselves in thinking we have assurance, not "who" or why we "should" have assurance. This is the recurring error of most replies. I am not asking if assurance exist, I am asking "how" do we discern between true and false assurance.
2. Basing your belief on your feelings of assurance is not a biblical answer. I am looking for verses on how we can know the difference between true assurance and false assurance, since both exist.
1. The OP is about "how" we can know we are not among those deceiving ourselves in thinking we have assurance, not "who" or why we "should" have assurance. This is the recurring error of most replies. I am not asking if assurance exist, I am asking "how" do we discern between true and false assurance.
2. Basing your belief on your feelings of assurance is not a biblical answer. I am looking for verses on how we can know the difference between true assurance and false assurance, since both exist.
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If the issue is assurance after you are saved; and then you create a conflict of; an illusion of false assurance post salvation; where and how does this conflict resolve itself; at The Cross of Jesus. So now if you say; well I want God to personally come down from heaven and reassure me that my salvation is true and sure, He will say DJ2 I've already done that. I would say your case of a false assurance is an illusion; and maybe you should pray dear God I believe please help my unbelief. And I might add, never, never, never, forget your first love, Jesus.
17) And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
18) Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.
19) If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
20) But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
21) For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
22) For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
True Gospel, True Assurance
17) And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
18) Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.
19) If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
20) But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep.
21) For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.
22) For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
True Gospel, True Assurance
DJ2
Faith has substance in the spiritual realm. When you position yourself to stand on what you know is a promise, and speak to it with the Word given, the Lord responds with pleasure to award your faith.
But, being double minded is to have two opinions. It's like He is trying to give us what we ask, but we are hopping around so much He can't.
Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the evidence of those things unseen.
So you keep the faith...examine yourself to see if you are in doubt and take the stand again, daily.
Speaking to the mountain.
Faith has substance in the spiritual realm. When you position yourself to stand on what you know is a promise, and speak to it with the Word given, the Lord responds with pleasure to award your faith.
But, being double minded is to have two opinions. It's like He is trying to give us what we ask, but we are hopping around so much He can't.
Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the evidence of those things unseen.
So you keep the faith...examine yourself to see if you are in doubt and take the stand again, daily.
Speaking to the mountain.