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In Rev 17:8, he is not talking about one of the emperors, he is talking about the Beast - the nation of Rome.
“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss.” Remember, in 13:1, this beast is rising up out of the sea, powerful and strong, subduing nations. Now, he is rising up out of the abyss because he had received a fatal wound on his head “I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed,” 13:3. Now, he is about to rise again because his “fatal wound” was about to be healed “and go to destruction.” The fate of the beast was to ultimately be destroyed.
“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss.” Remember, in 13:1, this beast is rising up out of the sea, powerful and strong, subduing nations. Now, he is rising up out of the abyss because he had received a fatal wound on his head “I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed,” 13:3. Now, he is about to rise again because his “fatal wound” was about to be healed “and go to destruction.” The fate of the beast was to ultimately be destroyed.
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Greetings Zi,
Yes, you are correct. Rev.1:19 is the key to understanding the timing of Revelation, for John was told to write:
What you have seen = everything written from Rev.1:1 thru 1:19
What is now = Represented by the church period, which we are still in, i.e. we are still in the "what is Now."
What must take place after this = The events that take place after the "what is now" I.e. after the church period, which begin from chapter 4 onward.
Since we are still in the "what is now" then the "what must take place later" will not begin until the church has been gathered, which will end the "what is now" time frame. It is after the church has been gathered that the events of God's wrath will take place via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, decimating the majority of the earth's population and dismantling all human government in preparation for the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish his literal millennial kingdom.
Yes, you are correct. Rev.1:19 is the key to understanding the timing of Revelation, for John was told to write:
What you have seen = everything written from Rev.1:1 thru 1:19
What is now = Represented by the church period, which we are still in, i.e. we are still in the "what is Now."
What must take place after this = The events that take place after the "what is now" I.e. after the church period, which begin from chapter 4 onward.
Since we are still in the "what is now" then the "what must take place later" will not begin until the church has been gathered, which will end the "what is now" time frame. It is after the church has been gathered that the events of God's wrath will take place via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, decimating the majority of the earth's population and dismantling all human government in preparation for the Lord's return to the earth to end the age and establish his literal millennial kingdom.
Unfortunately most translation give a misleading sense to Rev 1:19, a literal version such as Young's gives the correct timing of the events John is seeing in his vision:
Rev 1:19 'Write the things that thou hast seen, and the things that are, and the things that are about to come after these
things.
Concordant Literal Version:
Rev 1:19 Write then, what you perceived, and what they are, and what is about to be occurring after these things:
About to come does not mean 1970 years and counting since John wrote - doctrines based on ignoring these time statements lead to fawlty "theology" such as dispensationalism
Rev 1:19 'Write the things that thou hast seen, and the things that are, and the things that are about to come after these
things.
Concordant Literal Version:
Rev 1:19 Write then, what you perceived, and what they are, and what is about to be occurring after these things:
About to come does not mean 1970 years and counting since John wrote - doctrines based on ignoring these time statements lead to fawlty "theology" such as dispensationalism
Aren't you the guy that is claiming that "that there should be time no longer"?
Whereas in reality it means:
Rev 10:6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will be delay no longer,
No wonder yer "theology" is all messed up.
Whereas in reality it means:
Rev 10:6 and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will be delay no longer,
No wonder yer "theology" is all messed up.
Even with the KJV the sense is "no more time" as in the "time is up", nothing here is suggesting that time's arrow -----> is coming to an end.
(Rev 10:6 KJV) And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
(Rev 10:6 KJV) And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
The sense of "time's up" is brought into focus when we consider John's previous statement:
Rev 9:20 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.
There was a time period given for repentance, but the time given had come to an end.
Rev 9:20 The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see nor hear nor walk.
There was a time period given for repentance, but the time given had come to an end.
Time runs out is the way I look at it.....
a. For the saved they are resurrected and or changed into their eternal state
b. For the nations the Lord seizes control as Lord of all kingdoms
c. For the Lost under the beast the wrath of God is poured out
ALL three........Jesus is Christ, Lord and God.....Paul and Peter tie all three days together in one day....the Day of the Lord, The Day of Christ and the Day of God.....
a. For the saved they are resurrected and or changed into their eternal state
b. For the nations the Lord seizes control as Lord of all kingdoms
c. For the Lost under the beast the wrath of God is poured out
ALL three........Jesus is Christ, Lord and God.....Paul and Peter tie all three days together in one day....the Day of the Lord, The Day of Christ and the Day of God.....
The sea in revelations represents the nations, but if you are thinking that is a seven headed monster then you've already got yerself confused.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!
I guess we'll have to wait for mankind to develop under water cities eh Aqua-man?
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!
I guess we'll have to wait for mankind to develop under water cities eh Aqua-man?
The sea in revelations represents the nations, but if you are thinking that is a seven headed monster then you've already got yerself confused.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!
I guess we'll have to wait for mankind to develop under water cities eh Aqua-man?
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea!
I guess we'll have to wait for mankind to develop under water cities eh Aqua-man?
You should lay off the Labatt Blue
My position has not changed, nor will it.....
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
I believe at the 7th trump....Jesus said at the last day he would raise the dead as well as Martha......time is marked out in days.....at the sounding of the 7th trump time shall be no more........
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Yeah...I cannot get around when the 7th trump begins to sound time shall be no more.
My position has not changed, nor will it.....
Yeah...I cannot get around when the 7th trump begins to sound time shall be no more.